Supreme Court: Should a web designer be able refuse to service because their religion disagrees with gay marriage?

Liberty wrote:

Government has no right to tell people how they run their private businesses. The same goes for the cake baker and even Covid lockdowns. Government has no right to step in and be a third party to an A B interaction

2:18 at the casino and about to go back on the grid wrote:

If a business doesn't want to do work for me then I really don't want them to do any work for me.

free is it wrote:

Agreed. They can refuse any particular job. Artists refuse many jobs. Custom builders refuse many jobs.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

My opinion is these business owners need to stop being politically motivated martyrs for a stupid cause. It's legal to refuse service to anyone. They don't have to state why they refuse service. They could could easily say, "no I don't want the job" and move on. Instead they let politics motivated them to become a martyr for a stupid cause so they say they refuse service because my religion says so.

samcallan wrote:

sbeefyk2 wrote:

My opinion is these business owners need to stop being politically motivated martyrs for a stupid cause. It's legal to refuse service to anyone. They don't have to state why they refuse service. They could could easily say, "no I don't want the job" and move on. Instead they let politics motivated them to become a martyr for a stupid cause so they say they refuse service because my religion says so.

The flipside is that there is likely someone within a few blocks or a phone call away who would do the work. Both sides can be using this.

Rick Cheney wrote:

samcallan wrote:

The flipside is that there is likely someone within a few blocks or a phone call away who would do the work. Both sides can be using this.

It’s also just really dumb to turn customers away because of your, “views.”

interesting take wrote:

Conversatives performing mental gymnastics to justify this is fascinating. They did the same thing during segregation.

samcallan wrote:

free is it wrote:

Would you be okay with a web designer being forced to design something for a racist group? Would you be okay with one being forced to design a site that is anti-gay marriage?

This is also muddled because in some states your political views are not protected whereas your status (gay, race, US citizen, religious persuasion, etc) is protected. So in states where political speech is not protected, you would have a strong case that you could turn down building a website for the KKK; in other states you could not.

huhuh wrote:

Wrong. Old Testament, Leviticus decries it clearly enough.

Wejobot wrote:

huhuh wrote:

Wrong. Old Testament, Leviticus decries it clearly enough.

Leviticus 18:22-23 "you shall not lie with a male, as you do a female, it is an abomination."

why not the rest? wrote:

Wejobot wrote:

Leviticus 18:22-23 "you shall not lie with a male, as you do a female, it is an abomination."

Here's how it usually goes:

"Leviticus says gay marriage is an abomination."

"So do you follow all of the other rules laid out in Leviticus?"

"Well that's the Old Testament; Jesus said we weren't beholden to those rules anymore."

"So then why do you think gay marriage is wrong?"

"Leviticus says gay marriage is an abomination."

And around and around...

why not the rest? wrote:

Wejobot wrote:

Leviticus 18:22-23 "you shall not lie with a male, as you do a female, it is an abomination."

Here's how it usually goes:

"Leviticus says gay marriage is an abomination."

"So do you follow all of the other rules laid out in Leviticus?"

"Well that's the Old Testament; Jesus said we weren't beholden to those rules anymore."

"So then why do you think gay marriage is wrong?"

"Leviticus says gay marriage is an abomination."

And around and around...

samcallan wrote:

free is it wrote:

Agreed. They can refuse any particular job. Artists refuse many jobs. Custom builders refuse many jobs.

I am thinking that there are cases where a person does not want to work with a person for whatever reason and just says "I don't have the time right now". There is no legal way to say "no drop everything and work".

Ummmmm wrote:

800gal wrote:

Where is the line? What if the web designer refused to do a website for an interracial couple because her religion was against it?

The line is religion. What religion says anything about interracial couples? Race and being gay are two separate things.

huhuh wrote:

samcallan wrote:

I am thinking that there are cases where a person does not want to work with a person for whatever reason and just says "I don't have the time right now". There is no legal way to say "no drop everything and work".

This case is not about enforcement though, which is a related but different question. The case is about whether a proprietor of a public accommodation can lawfully refuse service to a protected class solely on the basis of their membership in that class because not being allowed to do so would be considered “compelled speech”, that is disallowed by the First, in this particular case of website design.