There are plenty of fat ugly dudes who can elicit attraction by being emotionally attractive (i.e. funny, flirtatious, causing drama) or by being wealthy and having high status. Sorry, but being the sexy Chad who jerks off to himself in the mirror is not the only way you can have success with women, although it doesn't hurt. Go to a bar or club and you'll see plenty of tall, good looking, muscular guys standing awkwardly alone or doing shots with his buddies, not being swarmed by hot women like some like to imagine.
Elicit attraction from whom? Other overweight, ugly women? Lol. I definitely agree about wealth though. Wealth is the great equalizer - a wealthy, "fat, ugly dude" can get just about any attractive woman he wants. And there's no shortage of gold diggers out there that relish being with a man of status & wealth.
Absence wealth & status, the "Chads" are having their way. Most women will seek out a Chad as their #1 choice - pure genuine desire at work here (who would have thought. Lol). And if they're tall & muscular - now you're talking a "Gigachad." These guys don't have to do much as women approach them. I've seen this first hand: I have an acquaintance at the gym who is 6'2" with eyes of blue & jacked at 215 lbs. His nickname at the gym is "Hercules." Many attractive women approach him all the time. He's already gone out with a few over the last year so. And there's nothing special about him financially - he has a modest income & drives an inexpensive car. He simply doesn't have to do much with women - they pursue him. He's won the genetic lottery & has maximized it with weight training.
But it's not over for Normies & most Sub-5s. They're going to have to looks & gym max. They're going to have make themselves more attractive to get the attention of average/slightly-above looking women & maybe if they're lucky - some very attractive women. They're going to have to put in the work. Call it a self-improvement plan that can give you a return on your money.
This isn't rocket science - just common sense. If you're a non-wealthy Normie or Sub-5, no amount of personality, game or whatever you want to call it is going to get the attention of attractive women. Looks & gym maxing will better a man's chances with attractive women in this day & age.
Here's another good video on this subject by "Wheat Waffles". I like most of his content as he has evidence to support his claims. Also, as a short (5'6"), gym-maxing Normie myself, I've experienced many of the issues he talks about. And he must be doing something right as he has ~97k subscribers:
Good looks buy you extra time with an attractive woman, and bad looks don't always disqualify you. If you're not confident and can't elicit positive emotions in a woman, all the looks in the world won't save you unless you're filthy rich and the girls a gold digger. Incels just use their looks as an excuse not to talk to women.
If you want to know what complete losers sound like just visit these threads.
What it boils down to, I think, is, if you want to get a desirable female, you have to do SOME work. If you are not a Chad, a term I don't use, you must take reasonable steps to keep your body in shape, dress reasonably well, have a decent personality. If you have a decent paying job that helps to, but that too takes work: going to school or starting your own business, be it in high tech or plumbing.
It's common sense. Why would a girl who has a pretty free choice of men choose one who has nothing to attract her. And you can get those things thru some effort.
If you want to know what complete losers sound like just visit these threads.
What it boils down to, I think, is, if you want to get a desirable female, you have to do SOME work. If you are not a Chad, a term I don't use, you must take reasonable steps to keep your body in shape, dress reasonably well, have a decent personality. If you have a decent paying job that helps to, but that too takes work: going to school or starting your own business, be it in high tech or plumbing.
It's common sense. Why would a girl who has a pretty free choice of men choose one who has nothing to attract her. And you can get those things thru some effort.
Women are people; to be attractive to women it helps to be interested in other people and not just yourself.
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Elicit attraction from whom? Other overweight, ugly women? Lol. I definitely agree about wealth though. Wealth is the great equalizer - a wealthy, "fat, ugly dude" can get just about any attractive woman he wants. And there's no shortage of gold diggers out there that relish being with a man of status & wealth.
Absence wealth & status, the "Chads" are having their way. Most women will seek out a Chad as their #1 choice - pure genuine desire at work here (who would have thought. Lol). And if they're tall & muscular - now you're talking a "Gigachad." These guys don't have to do much as women approach them. I've seen this first hand: I have an acquaintance at the gym who is 6'2" with eyes of blue & jacked at 215 lbs. His nickname at the gym is "Hercules." Many attractive women approach him all the time. He's already gone out with a few over the last year so. And there's nothing special about him financially - he has a modest income & drives an inexpensive car. He simply doesn't have to do much with women - they pursue him. He's won the genetic lottery & has maximized it with weight training.
But it's not over for Normies & most Sub-5s. They're going to have to looks & gym max. They're going to have make themselves more attractive to get the attention of average/slightly-above looking women & maybe if they're lucky - some very attractive women. They're going to have to put in the work. Call it a self-improvement plan that can give you a return on your money.
This isn't rocket science - just common sense. If you're a non-wealthy Normie or Sub-5, no amount of personality, game or whatever you want to call it is going to get the attention of attractive women. Looks & gym maxing will better a man's chances with attractive women in this day & age.
Here's another good video on this subject by "Wheat Waffles". I like most of his content as he has evidence to support his claims. Also, as a short (5'6"), gym-maxing Normie myself, I've experienced many of the issues he talks about. And he must be doing something right as he has ~97k subscribers:
Good looks buy you extra time with an attractive woman, and bad looks don't always disqualify you. If you're not confident and can't elicit positive emotions in a woman, all the looks in the world won't save you unless you're filthy rich and the girls a gold digger. Incels just use their looks as an excuse not to talk to women.
Good looks generates interest from attractive women while bad looks most of the time disqualifies you from the women's prospects. And confidence comes from success having attributes like good looks & height. If a guy is a "Chad" then women will be attractive to him which builds his confidence & self-esteem. Now he knows he doesn't have to give a lot of effort in pursuing women because for the most part they'll pursue him. He's in the driver's seat & can decide if these interested women meet his looks threshold in deciding whether or not to go out with them.
Do you think some short, 5'6," non-wealthy "Normie" like me is going to generate interest from attractive women? Lol. And when I have approached attractive women at the gym, the malls & social settings, I can tell by their facial features they're not impressed before they even have the chance to open their mouth & tell me they're not interested or they have a boyfriend. Why do you think I'm gym maxing? I'm in the gym 6 days a week, 2 hrs a pop developing a muscular, fairly aesthetic physique. And this is just to get in the game with average looking women, and maybe a few above-average looking ladies now & then.
Agree again on the guys with wealth & status - it's the great equalizer for unattractive or short guys as it virtually guarantees success with attractive women. I've seen so many times over the years unattractive, overweight/obese or ultra-short rich dudes dating some very fine looking women. It's a win-win situation: The gold digger gets showered with $$$ & gifts & the rich guy gets to showcase his trophy GF all over town. Lol
On Incels: They don't have any confidence or self-esteem because of their physical deficiencies. They're shy & apprehensive to talk with women let alone even to approach them just to say hello or something.
Here's some interesting research on incels from alex.datepsych, who's a grad student working on his masters in psychology:
Study Reference:Justin, K. J., Shepler, D. K., & Kinel, J. R. (2022). She’s Just Not That Into Me: Sexual Self-Concept Among Heterosexual Men Who Identify as...
Look in the mirror. If you wouldn't be willing to have sex with yourself, ask yourself - why would anyone else?
Once you look good by dieting, taking care of yourself, working out, etc, you will gain subconscious confidence and getting women is easy. It literally manifests itself in results that way.
When I'm in a slump, it usually goes along with looking like shi t and impacts all other phases of the game.
Alpha isn't a state of being, a height, a salary - its a maintained set of attributes and actions that manifest in creating you and your presence. Focus on the process, not the result.
And when I have approached attractive women at the gym, the malls & social settings, I can tell by their facial features they're not impressed before they even have the chance to open their mouth & tell me they're not interested
It's not entirely clear what you expect to have happen at the gym or the mall. These are not social settings. When I go to the gym I am there to work out, not to meet guys. Guys who interrupt my workout trying to make conversation are guaranteed to get a negative reaction.
And when I have approached attractive women at the gym, the malls & social settings, I can tell by their facial features they're not impressed before they even have the chance to open their mouth & tell me they're not interested
It's not entirely clear what you expect to have happen at the gym or the mall. These are not social settings. When I go to the gym I am there to work out, not to meet guys. Guys who interrupt my workout trying to make conversation are guaranteed to get a negative reaction.
At the gym, these are girls who are done with their workout & are hanging out in the lobby having a post-workout recovery drink, messing around with their phone, etc.
On the other hand, I've gotten hit on while working out by overweight/obese women. Just last week, an obese gal (5'2" 210 lbs - she told me her weight!) who had been eye balling me for the last month, came right in the spin room & interrupted my HIIT workout to say hi & that I had a "sexy" physique. She also wanted some help with spinning workouts for weight loss & got really close to me showing me pics of her dog. So, I didn't mind & stopped the workout to flirt with her for awhile since I'm a lonely Normie & don't have a GF. Lol.
For some strange reason, I seem to be magnet to obese women at the gym. And these are big gals - all of them outweigh me by quite a bit (I'm 5'6" 175 lbs ~20% BF).
Good looks buy you extra time with an attractive woman, and bad looks don't always disqualify you. If you're not confident and can't elicit positive emotions in a woman, all the looks in the world won't save you unless you're filthy rich and the girls a gold digger. Incels just use their looks as an excuse not to talk to women.
If your looks are good enough, nothing else matters. You can be homeless and drugg addicted and women will still throw themselves at you for casual sex. They will let themselves be in abusive relationships, and even let the guy just be house husband/pet, for access to the right DNA. If you need personality at all, or even a job, much less wealth, then you're not ticking enough genetic boxes for her.
Good looks buy you extra time with an attractive woman, and bad looks don't always disqualify you. If you're not confident and can't elicit positive emotions in a woman, all the looks in the world won't save you unless you're filthy rich and the girls a gold digger. Incels just use their looks as an excuse not to talk to women.
If your looks are good enough, nothing else matters. You can be homeless and drugg addicted and women will still throw themselves at you for casual sex. They will let themselves be in abusive relationships, and even let the guy just be house husband/pet, for access to the right DNA. If you need personality at all, or even a job, much less wealth, then you're not ticking enough genetic boxes for her.
Other than pornhub, provide one example of a homeless, drug addict out there with attractive women throwing themselves at him for sex.
More like lower standards for women have created women who just want casual sex with Chads, men way out of their league for long term relationships, then as they get older, they have these huge list of demands for less attractive men to wife them up, so they can divorce rape them and go back to casual sex with the top 10% of men.
What does ‘divorce rape’ mean?
It's some nonsense straight men make up to make themselves feel better about being undesirable.
On the other hand, I've gotten hit on while working out by overweight/obese women. Just last week, an obese gal (5'2" 210 lbs - she told me her weight!) who had been eye balling me for the last month, came right in the spin room & interrupted my HIIT workout to say hi & that I had a "sexy" physique. She also wanted some help with spinning workouts for weight loss & got really close to me showing me pics of her dog. So, I didn't mind & stopped the workout to flirt with her for awhile since I'm a lonely Normie & don't have a GF. Lol.
For some strange reason, I seem to be magnet to obese women at the gym. And these are big gals - all of them outweigh me by quite a bit (I'm 5'6" 175 lbs ~20% BF).
OK, so some women approach you. This is good, it says you are not totally hopeless.
I can think of two things. One, perhaps these women you previously mentioned as being attractive are not quality people. They take one look at you, or so you described, and you can see in their faces they do not want you. If that's all they care about a person than perhaps you are better off pursuing these women who do seem to like you. It is your problem that you reject them instantaneously because of their weight. They might be good lovers and girl friends. Sounds like they can cook.
Two, so some women approach you. Maybe all you need do is work harder on yourself to make yourself stand out to those women who reject you with one look. After all if they are conventionally attractive they are probably approached by many men and can afford to triage people who approach. You and the obese women have something in common, people reject them with one glance. Try to identify what you must change to improve the situation.
In the meantime date the fat girls. You'll at least be getting laid. You can find on the net special positions fat people use to make making love easier.