If I were a pro athlete that knew I was randomly tested and could have accidentally ingested something banned I sure would. There are apps that do it now using bar codes.
If I were a pro athlete I'd probably go the Tom Brady route and have someone make all my meals. I would also avoid thing like food trucks, sketchy restaurants, and any supplement that could be tainted. Any supplement I did take, and it would just be stuff like probiotics and daily vitamins, no gray area stuff, I'd keep a sample of for future testing.
You live in a fantasy world if you imagine for one second that athletes can or do take the care that you suggest Brady does. And do you know that Brady has his cook monitor, record and keep samples of all his food.
There are thousands of athletes who are on various testing lists that are on the breadline let alone afford to avoid cheap food outlets or a chef. Get real.
Just curious, is there a particular race or races where it seemed like SH was "enhanced?"
I'd like to provide a thorough response and a couple of these races have been mentioned already.
2018 Pre Classic and 2018 15 US Title--blowing by Jenny Simpson, the world silver medalist from the year before was nuts. She came out of no where and her monster kick had no rival. They all called it a "changing of the guard" but was it? Jenny was the world silver medalist! Shelby did poorly at worlds the year before. She came out of no where.
14:34 5k (2018)--Shalane and Jerry thought the reasonable goal would be for Shelby to break 15, but she kept "surprising" them with her fitness from that year. Crazy to think a coach could be surprised by his own athlete's fitness...
2019--US XC Title (10K) Indoor mile runner up, 2 mile champ--Shelby had a busy busy couple weeks of racing going from dominating a 10K XC to circling back at the US championships and winning the 2 Mile and placing runner up in the mile to a way more rested Steeple Squigs. The amount she was willing to put on her legs and still come away with a 1-2-1 finish is pretty extreme at the pro level. Mind you, she was the ONLY athlete to compete at both USA indoor and XC.
2019 World Outdoor 1500--this gets overshadowed by Sifan's disgusting "performance" as it should but Shelby running 3:54.99 was. a huge leap from her previous PR 3:57, which was a huge leap from her previous year's best 4:03. Going from 4:09 in college to 4:03 as a pro is understandable, but the continued jumps is a little hard to justify.
2020 14:23 AR--slashing yet another eleven seconds off her PR and AR, the thing that struck me is that Shelby closed in a 60. A 60! in a dual with Karissa. No American woman has ever gone under 14:30 and she made it look easy. Again continued progression and improvement is suspect. Shelby makes it look easy.
So this is actually an incredibly tone-deaf and poor choice of words from a person head of a major anti-doping agency in sport. It's actually f-ing unbelievable to be honest.
For the head of an organization that is fundamentally about upholding ethics to leverage the guilt of an athlete vs a rival organization for (presumably) his or his organizations gain is unconceivable. Because yes the implication and default interpretation for many readers, especially the less-informed which are the vast majority, is that Houlihan in fact isn't guilty. No he doesn't say this, but the narrative of his comments pertain to that.
So if he doesn't think she is guilty (which is a) hard to believe or b) we have no idea) this statement is about as wreckless as possible. What an unbelievable a$$hole, he should have been removed after these comments immediately.
So this is actually an incredibly tone-deaf and poor choice of words from a person head of a major anti-doping agency in sport. It's actually f-ing unbelievable to be honest.
For the head of an organization that is fundamentally about upholding ethics to leverage the guilt of an athlete vs a rival organization for (presumably) his or his organizations gain is unconceivable. Because yes the implication and default interpretation for many readers, especially the less-informed which are the vast majority, is that Houlihan in fact isn't guilty. No he doesn't say this, but the narrative of his comments pertain to that.
So if he doesn't think she is guilty (which is a) hard to believe or b) we have no idea) this statement is about as wreckless as possible. What an unbelievable a$hole, he should have been removed after these comments immediately.
You have missed the point. Guilty of breaking the rules but no guilt for cheating. I suggest you read the rules and then you may grasp what is being said.
So this is actually an incredibly tone-deaf and poor choice of words from a person head of a major anti-doping agency in sport. It's actually f-ing unbelievable to be honest.
Correct - if he really did say that. We still haven't seen an exact quote, just a description of his statement written by a Shelby fan.
I've have read the rules, she cheated. Your overt focus on telling other people to read the rules makes me think you haven't. It's like you watched the movie instead of reading the book and then compensate by yelling at other people to "read the book".
I've have read the rules, she cheated. Your overt focus on telling other people to read the rules makes me think you haven't. It's like you watched the movie instead of reading the book and then compensate by yelling at other people to "read the book".
The rules explicitly say that they don’t convict on intent.Do read the rules.
So this is actually an incredibly tone-deaf and poor choice of words from a person head of a major anti-doping agency in sport. It's actually f-ing unbelievable to be honest.
Correct - if he really did say that. We still haven't seen an exact quote, just a description of his statement written by a Shelby fan.
He has been saying the same thing for many cases and has stated that the Code needs changing to recognise the normal expected rights in basic society.
Thus highly consistent in recognising that you can’t keep convicting the non cheats because it makes it easier to convict the cheats.A basic element of Western Democracy.
Human Rights beats all. Hardline anti dopers will have to get used to this.
I've have read the rules, she cheated. Your overt focus on telling other people to read the rules makes me think you haven't. It's like you watched the movie instead of reading the book and then compensate by yelling at other people to "read the book".
The rules explicitly say that they don’t convict on intent.Do read the rules.
Ditto
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Why is this azzhat allowed to continue to post the same drivel 1000's of times over the span of a darn year! I've tried reporting numerous times....the only conclusion is that the site is totally fine with someone spamming "doping isn't cheating" and "did you even read the report" ad nauseum because they think it's a viable viewpoint. So done. Paulo does not know where to find me.
The rules explicitly say that they don’t convict on intent.Do read the rules.
Ditto
Ditto
Why is this azzhat allowed to continue to post the same drivel 1000's of times over the span of a darn year! I've tried reporting numerous times....the only conclusion is that the site is totally fine with someone spamming "doping isn't cheating" and "did you even read the report" ad nauseum because they think it's a viable viewpoint. So done. Paulo does not know where to find me.
Doping is cheating as doping means intent.
Breaking the Wada code is not automatically cheating .
Why is this azzhat allowed to continue to post the same drivel 1000's of times over the span of a darn year! I've tried reporting numerous times....the only conclusion is that the site is totally fine with someone spamming "doping isn't cheating" and "did you even read the report" ad nauseum because they think it's a viable viewpoint. So done. Paulo does not know where to find me.
Doping is cheating as doping means intent.
Breaking the Wada code is not automatically cheating .
So have you read the rules ?
My views are the same at TT so I think they met the threshold of being viable.
The rules explicitly say that they don’t convict on intent.Do read the rules.
Ditto
Ditto
Why is this azzhat allowed to continue to post the same drivel 1000's of times over the span of a darn year! I've tried reporting numerous times....the only conclusion is that the site is totally fine with someone spamming "doping isn't cheating" and "did you even read the report" ad nauseum because they think it's a viable viewpoint. So done. Paulo does not know where to find me.
You're correct - he is an "azzhat", spamming the boards with "doping isn't cheating". But in regard to Houlihan, that is also the view of those who own and administer the board.
Why is this azzhat allowed to continue to post the same drivel 1000's of times over the span of a darn year! I've tried reporting numerous times....the only conclusion is that the site is totally fine with someone spamming "doping isn't cheating" and "did you even read the report" ad nauseum because they think it's a viable viewpoint. So done. Paulo does not know where to find me.
You're correct - he is an "azzhat", spamming the boards with "doping isn't cheating". But in regard to Houlihan, that is also the view of those who own and administer the board.
I have never said doping is not cheating nor for that matter have I ever said she should not have got banned.
If I were a pro athlete that knew I was randomly tested and could have accidentally ingested something banned I sure would. There are apps that do it now using bar codes.
If I were a pro athlete I'd probably go the Tom Brady route and have someone make all my meals. I would also avoid thing like food trucks, sketchy restaurants, and any supplement that could be tainted. Any supplement I did take, and it would just be stuff like probiotics and daily vitamins, no gray area stuff, I'd keep a sample of for future testing.
You live in a fantasy world if you imagine for one second that athletes can or do take the care that you suggest Brady does. And do you know that Brady has his cook monitor, record and keep samples of all his food.
There are thousands of athletes who are on various testing lists that are on the breadline let alone afford to avoid cheap food outlets or a chef. Get real.
Well, then I guess they keep taking risks by eating sketchy things and taking sketchy supplements. The athletes that do that are taking a known risk and shouldn't be complaining when they are caught.
Logging what you eat requires nothing more than a $0.99 pad of paper and a pen, often free at just about any business. I'm sure Nike could have even ponied up for a free pad and pen for Shelby to log what exactly she ate and from where along with logging her shady supplements.
Am I really supposed to be swayed by the opinion of someone who denigrates people he doesn't like by suggesting that they masturbate to physical descriptions of runners they support?
You live in a fantasy world if you imagine for one second that athletes can or do take the care that you suggest Brady does. And do you know that Brady has his cook monitor, record and keep samples of all his food.
There are thousands of athletes who are on various testing lists that are on the breadline let alone afford to avoid cheap food outlets or a chef. Get real.
Well, then I guess they keep taking risks by eating sketchy things and taking sketchy supplements. The athletes that do that are taking a known risk and shouldn't be complaining when they are caught.
Logging what you eat requires nothing more than a $0.99 pad of paper and a pen, often free at just about any business. I'm sure Nike could have even ponied up for a free pad and pen for Shelby to log what exactly she ate and from where along with logging her shady supplements.
No athlete I know do such.
I watch pro soccer players swop water bottles without caring.
AND..what good would it be to have the food written down ?
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