The “just one more trial” is the “wait 2 weeks” of the IVM crowd. Anyone still espousing IVM is so far behind the science it’s not really worth engaging with them.
The “just one more trial” is the “wait 2 weeks” of the IVM crowd. Anyone still espousing IVM is so far behind the science it’s not really worth engaging with them.
Good plan you fleshed out below. I’ll add, ourglobal supply chain is a big issue with Pharma scale up. Scaling up pavloxid to the many ton scale is gonna require insane amounts of fairly specialized raw materials from India and China so I don’t foresee widespread distribution beyond the highest risk cases in the next year :-/. Organic chemistry supply chain durability as a national security issue? I can do without toilet paper but vaccines and drugs are another story.
PCRF-Guy wrote:
Here would be my plan:
Expanding access to rapid point of care tests (especially in schools and college campuses), vaccinations, streamlining getting early therapeutics to those who test positive (monoclonals, the new oral antivirals..), setting up treatment centers at or near nursing homes so they get these drugs earlier, increasing hospital capacity, activating the national guard to set up field hospitals where needed, using the defense production act to scale up manufacturing of therapeutics.
I definitely agree that drs and nurses dancing and singing on TikTok is ridiculous. Even more so when they’re doing it at the White House. (I think it’s more virtue signaling though). Most people don’t spend time with healthcare workers, and these stunts make us look silly.
But imagine if Joe Biden declared we are going do what they did in that report from India. “I’m going to force all of you to stay home, and send govt agents to you door-to-door to test you and give you medicines to take”. That would be more alarming than the silly singing and dancing to most people (and why it won’t work and would most certainly backfire).
truthy1 wrote:
Thanks PCRF guy and EPIRunner
The research is complicated and I know how much time it takes to read it and provide a thorough interpretation.
Thanks for putting up with my long winded ranting. I’m not an athlete, but since I’m a track and field fan, this is the only place I can read about the sport. I don’t post on any training or running related threads (I would have no idea what I’m talking about). But I’ll occasionally ramble on the COVID threads.
PCRF-Guy wrote:
truthy1 wrote:
Thanks PCRF guy and EPIRunner
The research is complicated and I know how much time it takes to read it and provide a thorough interpretation.
Thanks for putting up with my long winded ranting. I’m not an athlete, but since I’m a track and field fan, this is the only place I can read about the sport. I don’t post on any training or running related threads (I would have no idea what I’m talking about). But I’ll occasionally ramble on the COVID threads.
It's not rambling. It's education; unfortunately the antivaxxer/covidiot caucus on here is too ignorant or politically dug in to learn or engage honestly.
+1
ICU empty here. Big nothing.
oh brother. wrote:
146-187K Vaccine deaths between just February-August 2021.
When are we going to stop this madness?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355581860_COVID_vaccination_and_age-stratified_all-cause_mortality_risk
I posted a response to this yesterday that has now been deleted. There was no ad hominem, just facts from our case numbers in NSW Australia.
LRC moderators playing the spin
Mods...can you enlighten on the above please?
I am Sam wrote:
oh brother. wrote:
146-187K Vaccine deaths between just February-August 2021.
When are we going to stop this madness?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355581860_COVID_vaccination_and_age-stratified_all-cause_mortality_riskI posted a response to this yesterday that has now been deleted. There was no ad hominem, just facts from our case numbers in NSW Australia.
LRC moderators playing the spin
This is certainly an awkward study for the Vax-fetishists. I'm not currently "against" this vax, but this may change my mind.
Note - I am anti -Harambe/2600 and other fear mongers that are useful idiots, or active participants, in statists using COVID to gain power in the US & World, and by proxy mandates.
"Biden fixed Covid" - Harambe spring 2021 and continuously thereafter.
Critical care ICU PA in Connecticut. Overflowed with Covid related currently. We don’t have access to ECMO at my hospital but we’ve shipped a couple people over to Yale in the last 2 weeks. The ICU has 18 beds but has over 30 patients currently.
Not looking good in Connecticut.
oh brother. wrote:
146-187K Vaccine deaths between just February-August 2021.
When are we going to stop this madness?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355581860_COVID_vaccination_and_age-stratified_all-cause_mortality_risk
Wow. People will believe whatever nonsense suits their limited view point.
bidenfixedcovid wrote:
I am Sam wrote:
I posted a response to this yesterday that has now been deleted. There was no ad hominem, just facts from our case numbers in NSW Australia.
LRC moderators playing the spin
This is certainly an awkward study for the Vax-fetishists. I'm not currently "against" this vax, but this may change my mind.
Note - I am anti -Harambe/2600 and other fear mongers that are useful idiots, or active participants, in statists using COVID to gain power in the US & World, and by proxy mandates.
"Biden fixed Covid" - Harambe spring 2021 and continuously thereafter.
Here's some more awkward data for the "vax-fetishists":
Cases per 10k, vaccinated: 17.5 (age-standardized)
Cases per 10k, unvaccinated: 72.3
Hospitalizations per 100k, vaccinated: 3.8
Hospitalizations per 100k, unvaccinated: 128.1
Critical care per 100k, vaccinated: 0.9
Critical care per 100k, unvaccinated: 51
All from data over Nov 19/22 - Dec 16
http://www.bccdc.ca/health-professionals/data-reports/covid-19-surveillance-dashboardI am Sam wrote:
oh brother. wrote:
146-187K Vaccine deaths between just February-August 2021.
When are we going to stop this madness?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355581860_COVID_vaccination_and_age-stratified_all-cause_mortality_riskI posted a response to this yesterday that has now been deleted. There was no ad hominem, just facts from our case numbers in NSW Australia.
LRC moderators playing the spin
My post the other day simply was along these lines:
If USA has had 500M vaccination doses of mostly the safest type, and Australia 42M of 50% AZ, the most unsafe, i.e. a 12 times greater amount....how is it that they have had 15,000 times more deaths (165K vs 11) ???
Even if you took every uninvestigated 'possible' death, pre autopsy, i.e. they died of 'something' post vaccination, the ratio is 250
And even if you took each and every adverse reaction complaint post vaccination inc the likes of fevers, then the ratio of US deaths vs Australia complaints is 2 to 1.
So, given that you think the 'research' is unbiased or not a cherry pick, the only logical explanation must surely be that people are either being murdered by poison put in the vaccinations or there is something in your water that is reacting to the vaccine, or something like that.
32 admissions: 29 unvaccinated
12 ICU: 11 unvaccinated
Large teaching hospital
100 total in hospital
41 ICU patients
24 on vent
90-95% unvaccinated in ICU, not sure about non-ICU but it's less than 90%
I am Sam wrote:
I am Sam wrote:
I posted a response to this yesterday that has now been deleted. There was no ad hominem, just facts from our case numbers in NSW Australia.
LRC moderators playing the spin
My post the other day simply was along these lines:
If USA has had 500M vaccination doses of mostly the safest type, and Australia 42M of 50% AZ, the most unsafe, i.e. a 12 times greater amount....how is it that they have had 15,000 times more deaths (165K vs 11) ???
Even if you took every uninvestigated 'possible' death, pre autopsy, i.e. they died of 'something' post vaccination, the ratio is 250
And even if you took each and every adverse reaction complaint post vaccination inc the likes of fevers, then the ratio of US deaths vs Australia complaints is 2 to 1.
So, given that you think the 'research' is unbiased or not a cherry pick, the only logical explanation must surely be that people are either being murdered by poison put in the vaccinations or there is something in your water that is reacting to the vaccine, or something like that.
Here's the answer: they don't. It is false to say that 165,000 Americans have died as a result of receiving the COVID-19 vaccine.
The author of the linked paper is not a virologist or epidemiologist. His field of expertise is Clinical Neurobiology. His paper on this has been rejected by every respected medical journal we have today.
Over 200 million Americans have received the vaccine. I'm sure 165,000 of them have died. But died as the result of an adverse effect of vaccination? No.
Significant regression terms estimate 130K-180K US deaths can be attributed to vaccination between February and August of 2021.
From the article. Where's your evidence this did not occur?
or me wrote:
Significant regression terms estimate 130K-180K US deaths can be attributed to vaccination between February and August of 2021.
From the article. Where's your evidence this did not occur?
VAERS, managed by the FDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), documents suspected reactions to COVID-19 vaccines to detect possible safety issues.
Of more than 390 million doses of COVID-19 shots administered in the U.S. up to Sept. 27, VAERS received 8,164 reports of death (0.0021%) among people who were vaccinated. Healthcare providers are required to report any death after vaccination to VAERS even if there is no indication it was caused by the vaccine, and reported incidents are not evidence of a causal link, according to CDC guidance. It says reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare (here).
Rose and Crawford’s paper calculates a so-called “underreporting rate” of adverse reactions by comparing data submitted to VAERS on anaphylaxis (severe allergic reaction) after vaccination with estimates of people vaccinated in the United States. They then subtract the average number of background deaths for previous years from the deaths after vaccination reported to VAERS before multiplying the resulting number by their estimated underreporting rate. They say these calculations produce an estimated total of more than 150,000 people who have died in the United States as a result of COVID-19 vaccines.
An FDA spokesperson told Reuters in an email that it “strongly disagrees” with the analysis put forth in the report.
They added that the claim 150,000 people have died in the United States as a result of COVID-19 vaccines is not accurate and is based on data from VAERS that was not properly interpreted.
The spokesperson said: “Although under reporting is a limitation in VAERS, with regard to COVID-19 vaccine safety monitoring, there currently is not evidence to suggest it would underestimate the amount of COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths to such a large degree.”
An empty ICU makes no money so it would have to be full of some type of patient, COVID or not. Call BS unless you can offer some explanation.
Also w nursing staffing shortages no way you have staff sitting around in an empty unit.
We’re now up to 120 COVID patients in our hospital, low 40s in ICU, 20 something patients on vents. That is actually low compared to the number of people getting Omicron in the community (very high). Most are getting a milder illness that w Delta. Most severely ill patients are unvaccinated and medically frail.
Any other ICU docs, nurses etc here? What are you seeing?
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