Gidey just ran the single greatest female running performance ever... Give her the black page! Letesenbet MF Gidey 1:02:52

What's the new drug out there or is it just the same ol drugs administered differently?

YersiniaPestis wrote:

What's the new drug out there or is it just the same ol drugs administered differently?

Try and think of something original to say.

altitude training,super shoes and EPO.

liar soorer wrote:

JAXDUKE wrote:

What is the criteria used to determine whether or not to test a woman for her naturally occurring testosterone levels? Are athletes,like Gidey ,when they are tested for PED's tested for their testosterone level ? Isn't it possible for a woman who doesn't look Masculine to have a high naturally occurring level of test ?

Great question and would the answer involve profiling?

Their T level would appear during a drug test but I think such has to stay within the drug test protocols.

Interesting.

Anyone got an answer?

JAXDUKE wrote:

What is the criteria used to determine whether or not to test a woman for her naturally occurring testosterone levels? Are athletes,like Gidey ,when they are tested for PED's tested for their testosterone level ? Isn't it possible for a woman who doesn't look Masculine to have a high naturally occurring level of test ?

I’m not sure what the criteria is. The level can be determined with a simple blood test, and probably doesn’t require any specific criteria.

I have my doubts that a woman with high levels of testosterone, and sufficient androgen sensitivity, would fail to develop masculine features.

The World Athletics rules aren’t particularly concerned about women competing with naturally high testosterone in events longer than 1500m/mile.

Women can also have high levels of testosterone, but be androgen insensitive — World Athletics rules let these women compete in any event without restriction.

The rules on naturally occurring testosterone, places the limit at 5nmol/L of testosterone.

Women with naturally higher amounts, and sufficient androgen sensitivity would need to reduce that amount to 5nmol/L or less, for six months, and continuously thereafter, in order to be eligible to compete internationally in “Restricted Events” which include 8 events between 400m and the mile.

There is no such rule restriction or limit on women naturally producing high levels of testosterone for events longer than the mile, such as Gidey’s events: the 5000m, 10000m, half-marathon and marathon.

Caster Semenya tried to compete at 3000m and 5000m, and is eligible to do so without any artificial treatments.

(Interestingly Caster can compete nationally as a female in 800m and 1500m, or internationally, as a male.)

The selection of the “Restricted Events” was based on “a decade and more of research” showing the majority of excess testosterone is in the “Restricted Events”.

This is faster than Yifter's world best in 1977.

If Canelo Álvarez is the Lance Armstrong of his generation, what does that make Gidey? The Flo-Jo? The Kratochvílová?

"Better Living Through Chemistry", indeed.

The point of the question is what is the criteria that determines who gets their T measured for non doping purposes.

Who and why would they select?

jokey jokey wrote:

This is just terrible for the sport. How many clean athletes see this and ask themselves what’s the point in trying to get to that level except by cheating?

You’re a meth addict.

Oh really? Seems like there were three questions, and that “it wouldn’t matter for Gidey in her events” would also be relevant to the point.

As I said, I didn’t know the criteria, if any, but I’m gonna guess: every athlete, regardless, if they are good enough to have to pee in a cup.

Here is what I found in just a few minutes at the WADA website:

I'm sure the running world is going to come to a grinding screeching halt because a few LRC betas are butthurt over a gorgeous woman running times some of their favorite American "alpha" runners will never attain....

JAXDUKE wrote:

What is the criteria used to determine whether or not to test a woman for her naturally occurring testosterone levels? Are athletes,like Gidey ,when they are tested for PED's tested for their testosterone level ? Isn't it possible for a woman who doesn't look Masculine to have a high naturally occurring level of test ?

Women athletes haven't been around all that long. African women athletes even less so.

Bound to be improvements.

Please. So this is the new, deperate gambit, that the sport has not been around long enough? Ok. And African women runners started being competitive in the early 1990s, about the same time epo showed up. Just overshadowed by the China circus.

No. Just no one cares. People know when a sport is not worth paying attention to.

A logical person would say the American track machinery would be able to use those ALLEGED drugs more covertly and with more powerful dosages. So logically, if your assertion made any sense, shouldn't American women be even more dominant than their African counterparts? How about accepting that there is some genetic favorability for East African runners. Bet you're gonna really get your panties in a bunch when she runs 4:02 for the mile.

astro wrote:

Please. So this is the new, deperate gambit, that the sport has not been around long enough? Ok. And African women runners started being competitive in the early 1990s, about the same time epo showed up. Just overshadowed by the China circus.

They can run the test for anyone but the only ones for which a limit of endogenous testosterone actually applies are transwoman and intersex athletes (and even not all intersex athletes).

liar soorer wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I admit I "lie and cheat" - something you simply accuse me of - you really are quite a nutter, aren't you? The voices in your head have completely taken over.

Check your previous stuff and indeed you admitted lying and cheating before.

Go away!

I don't admit anything of the kind - especially to a numb-brain like you.

rekrunner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

And the denial never ends - with the Denier-in-Chief turning up to feed on the carcase. There is no level of performance that would rouse his suspicions - all are clean - even when they produce a doping violation (Shelby). Gidey could run 57x and it would still not be doped in his books. Nothing ever is.

You’ve said yourself many times we cannot tell which of the fastest performances are doped performances. Did you mean it?

But you digress. The question I raised here, is why there are not a large number of doped non-African women producing levels of performance much faster than a 1987 Ingrid Kristiansen.

Regarding Houlihan, her sample was dated 15 December 2020. Which performance on which date should I consider suspicious?

As I said - nothing rouses your suspicions, including if Gidey ran 57x. You haven't denied that point. It is only doping that you deny (including Houlihan's - since you refuse to concede a violation makes her a doper). Guaranteed. You are a predictable tedious apologist.

Gidey is still not quite as fast as the great Zatopek over 5k and 10k. He was also the Olympic marathon champion in 2.23. And yet this ridiculous Ethiopian woman is running a 1.02 half marathon. She's probably also faster than the great Abebe Bikila. We need no further evidence of the effect of doping on performance than this latest absurd effort.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Gidey is still not quite as fast as the great Zatopek over 5k and 10k. He was also the Olympic marathon champion in 2.23. And yet this ridiculous Ethiopian woman is running a 1.02 half marathon. She's probably also faster than the great Abebe Bikila. We need no further evidence of the effect of doping on performance than this latest absurd effort.

Says the man who admits lying and cheating in his posts and refuses to read about matters.

He is the ridiculous one.