Yusef Scumm. wrote:
fada tyme wrote:
Actually reads as if it is a family member
Was this family member subject to a restricted diet and ridicule ?
You know….. before the athlete was.
I have no idea. The specifics of the post along with the emotion in the post reflect someone close to the athlete....or perhaps the athlete herself.
Yusef Scumm. wrote:
Vacilated wrote:
Yes, they were awful for giving her a free ride to train with the best coach in the world.
Lol…. I think quite a few people on review boards think differently than you.
And for the record, you can refer to him as EX coach.
You think what people think? Well there’s your first mistake.
Cain was in a pro camp.
Not college, it's appropriate to call out a pro athletes over weight.
I hope Nike fights the lawsuit.
FartKing69 wrote:
Men rule wrote:
Tens of millions of Americans use recreational drugs even though they know they are bad for them. They are not addicted, they just choose to do it because the feeling outweighs the negative consequences. Cain wanted to train with Salazar for the same reason. She knew he was tough to deal with but that he was the best coach out there. She wanted to go back for the same reason. Comparing that to an addiction is like saying I am addicted to work. I don't like my job but the pay makes the tradeoff worth it.
The point I was trying to make is that abuse victims don't have to act rational, and in fact, often act in irrational ways. Your speculation/defense that Cain wasn't abused because she went back to Salazar can't be viewed as the exhaustive "gotchya" that you think it is.
Ridiculous. Drugs dont abuse anyone. The people taking drugs are the abusers.
Vacilated wrote:
Yusef Scumm. wrote:
Lol…. I think quite a few people on review boards think differently than you.
And for the record, you can refer to him as EX coach.
You think what people think? Well there’s your first mistake.
No….. but I can read. I read on this very forum that the coa…..excuse me - EX coach you refer to is currently banned for life.
This will not go to trial and Cain will not get $20 million. She and her legal team know that. They also know, a few hundred thousand dollars is pocket change to Nike, which means the overwhelming likelihood is Nike will pay that to her to go away quietly and stop giving them bad press. This is a shakedown designed to capitalized on the "Me Too" anti-bully backlash of our times. Unfortunately, this is how our system works and that's why it's going to work.
Swoosh!! wrote:
Cain was in a pro camp.
Not college, it's appropriate to call out a pro athletes over weight.
I hope Nike fights the lawsuit.
It's just not that simple. There must some line for you that Salazar should not cross. Would 100lbs as a goal be OK?
Even as a pro coach, Salazar did not have a carte blanche right to do whatever the F he wanted to do with her training and diet. If he did what she accused him of, he will be liable.
A jury will decide whether Salazar was reasonable in how he coached Cain. In no way will the defense argue that by signing a pro contract Cain gave away her rights to be treated decently.
When Cain signed with NOP, Salazar said he had a 10-year plan for her. How soon after that did he start pressuring her lose weight? The prudent thing to do would have been to let her run at her natural weight for awhile and then maybe consider tweaking her diet. Did that happen?
mcndnend wrote:
Ok let me make this simple for all you boring fragile armchair coaching men.
He didn’t just casually tell her to watch her weight. He humiliated her in public about gaining five pounds because she ate bacon and eggs with a pre-race meal. He set an arbitrary number of 114 pounds (which has no basis in reality or performance) and wouldn’t let her go to Europe or compete because she hadn’t hit it. He gave her birth control and prescription drugs—illegal acts—to lose weight. Stop reframing this as just a tough guy. He was a creep.
She didn’t just “get injured” she lost her period for years and developed REDS which led to five broken bones. That was from his pointless pressure and fixation on her weight, NOT her performance. Because I emphasize, she was running well when the weight obsession started.
As another poster mentioned, her claims of abuse were widely corroborated by several adult NOP members including lambie, begley, goucher, levins, areson, and Steve magness too.
Now whether this case will win or not, fine that’s up for debate. But don’t try to paint this banned coach as just a tough guy getting bullied by woke sjws.
I don't know what Cain and her parents expected when they signed up with Nike.
A nice safe space to do some running or a high performance training program which required everything of you and some more. Let's face it, professional sport is never healthy and weight is somewhat important in running. Maybe she was just not that good when she got out of puberty? Who knows. But this lawsuit is ridiculous and shows what is wrong with our world these days.
Vaxxman wrote:
mcndnend wrote:
Ok let me make this simple for all you boring fragile armchair coaching men.
He didn’t just casually tell her to watch her weight. He humiliated her in public about gaining five pounds because she ate bacon and eggs with a pre-race meal. He set an arbitrary number of 114 pounds (which has no basis in reality or performance) and wouldn’t let her go to Europe or compete because she hadn’t hit it. He gave her birth control and prescription drugs—illegal acts—to lose weight. Stop reframing this as just a tough guy. He was a creep.
She didn’t just “get injured” she lost her period for years and developed REDS which led to five broken bones. That was from his pointless pressure and fixation on her weight, NOT her performance. Because I emphasize, she was running well when the weight obsession started.
As another poster mentioned, her claims of abuse were widely corroborated by several adult NOP members including lambie, begley, goucher, levins, areson, and Steve magness too.
Now whether this case will win or not, fine that’s up for debate. But don’t try to paint this banned coach as just a tough guy getting bullied by woke sjws.
I don't know what Cain and her parents expected when they signed up with Nike.
A nice safe space to do some running or a high performance training program which required everything of you and some more. Let's face it, professional sport is never healthy and weight is somewhat important in running. Maybe she was just not that good when she got out of puberty? Who knows. But this lawsuit is ridiculous and shows what is wrong with our world these days.
A safe place is probably exact wording in her suit. I hope Nike doesn’t call you as a witness. Lol
FartKing69 wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
I don't understand why there is such universal support for Salazar in this forum when it comes to Cain.
SDSU, you're alarmingly competent and literate, why are you on these boards?
Anyway, story time. Some of my distant family is good friends with the Salazars, as in, my "aunt" (not really my aunt) frequently talks to Al and his wife. Mary had just joined NOP. I'm talking to my aunt who says, more or less, "Man, Molly can't stand Mary. She's a little brat. Her parents sent her a tray of fruit with a bunch of toothpicks. She would eat the fruit and flick the toothpicks away. She left toothpicks all over the carpet, isn't that crazy!" I remember kind of chuckling, because toothpicks left all over the house is a little comedic. Like, is the Salazar dog going to get into a barrel of glue and then go full slapstick and turn itself into a toothpick-bearing-porcupine after rolling around on the carpet?
Anyway I nervously laughed. But thought, this is a bunch of grown-a** adults smack-talking a literal teenager for doing teenager stuff. I'm a bit older than Mary, but not by much. I've never been famous, but I hope none of my coaches wives have gone around telling stories about me. Or worse, coaches wives friends.
I guess the moral of this is that Salazar and co., and their supporters, are hellbent on this character assassination. Don't like someone? Someone telling an inconvenient truth? Talk trash about them. Drag them through the mud.
I think the truth to this lies in between what Salazar, and Nike, and Mary are saying, but heavily skews towards Mary. She was young, it was likely traumatic, she likely misremembers, and I'll bet money that she's exaggerated some claims. But I'd be hard pressed to imagine she's fabricating everything. The same goes for the entirety of the NOP whistleblowers.
Wait, are you saying that Mary Cain went to the Salazar's house, ate fruit, and just flicked the toothpicks all over their floor? And you think it is normal 18 year old behavior? That is incredibly obnoxious and would elicit a complaint from virtually anyone.
In fact, it is so obnoxious that I have a hard time believing that it is true.
Williamson wrote:
Wait, are you saying that Mary Cain went to the Salazar's house, ate fruit, and just flicked the toothpicks all over their floor? And you think it is normal 18 year old behavior? That is incredibly obnoxious and would elicit a complaint from virtually anyone.
In fact, it is so obnoxious that I have a hard time believing that it is true.
That's largely what I'm saying. Do I think it's normal 18 year old behavior? Not entirely normal, it's pretty annoying and I'd be pissed too if it were my house. But, kids can be messy and annoying and we all know it.
What's more immature, an 18 year old being a slob, or a bunch of adults gossiping and telling stories about said teenager?
FartKing69 wrote:
Williamson wrote:
Wait, are you saying that Mary Cain went to the Salazar's house, ate fruit, and just flicked the toothpicks all over their floor? And you think it is normal 18 year old behavior? That is incredibly obnoxious and would elicit a complaint from virtually anyone.
In fact, it is so obnoxious that I have a hard time believing that it is true.
That's largely what I'm saying. Do I think it's normal 18 year old behavior? Not entirely normal, it's pretty annoying and I'd be pissed too if it were my house. But, kids can be messy and annoying and we all know it.
What's more immature, an 18 year old being a slob, or a bunch of adults gossiping and telling stories about said teenager?
Sorry, "gossiping" isn't the right word. They were telling the truth, to the best of my knowledge.
Williamson wrote:
FartKing69 wrote:
SDSU, you're alarmingly competent and literate, why are you on these boards?
Anyway, story time. Some of my distant family is good friends with the Salazars, as in, my "aunt" (not really my aunt) frequently talks to Al and his wife. Mary had just joined NOP. I'm talking to my aunt who says, more or less, "Man, Molly can't stand Mary. She's a little brat. Her parents sent her a tray of fruit with a bunch of toothpicks. She would eat the fruit and flick the toothpicks away. She left toothpicks all over the carpet, isn't that crazy!" I remember kind of chuckling, because toothpicks left all over the house is a little comedic. Like, is the Salazar dog going to get into a barrel of glue and then go full slapstick and turn itself into a toothpick-bearing-porcupine after rolling around on the carpet?
Anyway I nervously laughed. But thought, this is a bunch of grown-a** adults smack-talking a literal teenager for doing teenager stuff. I'm a bit older than Mary, but not by much. I've never been famous, but I hope none of my coaches wives have gone around telling stories about me. Or worse, coaches wives friends.
I guess the moral of this is that Salazar and co., and their supporters, are hellbent on this character assassination. Don't like someone? Someone telling an inconvenient truth? Talk trash about them. Drag them through the mud.
I think the truth to this lies in between what Salazar, and Nike, and Mary are saying, but heavily skews towards Mary. She was young, it was likely traumatic, she likely misremembers, and I'll bet money that she's exaggerated some claims. But I'd be hard pressed to imagine she's fabricating everything. The same goes for the entirety of the NOP whistleblowers.
Wait, are you saying that Mary Cain went to the Salazar's house, ate fruit, and just flicked the toothpicks all over their floor? And you think it is normal 18 year old behavior? That is incredibly obnoxious and would elicit a complaint from virtually anyone.
In fact, it is so obnoxious that I have a hard time believing that it is true.
This is hilarious because in a couple interviews Mary has mentioned how much she loves those 'edible arrangement' fruit and chocolate baskets. If if this poster is making up the story they've done their homework lol
All true.
Someone should tell Salazar "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime."
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Swoosh!! wrote:
Cain was in a pro camp.
Not college, it's appropriate to call out a pro athletes over weight.
I hope Nike fights the lawsuit.
It's just not that simple. There must some line for you that Salazar should not cross. Would 100lbs as a goal be OK?
Even as a pro coach, Salazar did not have a carte blanche right to do whatever the F he wanted to do with her training and diet. If he did what she accused him of, he will be liable.
A jury will decide whether Salazar was reasonable in how he coached Cain. In no way will the defense argue that by signing a pro contract Cain gave away her rights to be treated decently.
When Cain signed with NOP, Salazar said he had a 10-year plan for her. How soon after that did he start pressuring her lose weight? The prudent thing to do would have been to let her run at her natural weight for awhile and then maybe consider tweaking her diet. Did that happen?
I'm confused, did Salazar forcibly deprive her of food? Did he kidnap her against her will? Until that can be proved, all Salazar is guilty of is poor dietary advice. Cain herself is the one ultimately responsible for not eating.
FartKing69 wrote:
What's more immature, an 18 year old being a slob, or a bunch of adults gossiping and telling stories about said teenager?
Definitely the former. Heck, my kids are less than 10, and you bet I'd be telling eye-rolling stories about any friend of theirs that came over to our house and flicked toothpicks all over the floor. That's one of the strangest defenses of Cain that I've read: she was mistreated because Salazar's wife didn't like her behaving (if the story is true) like literally the worst house visitor in the history of humanity.
I don't understand this part:
“He prevented Cain from consulting with and relying on her parents, particularly her father, who is a doctor,”
Unless they locked her in a dungeon how did they do this. My employer could tell me today not to talk to my parents or call my doctor and I would just ignore them. I, like her the second she turned 18, am an adult and don't have to juts listen to the nonsense someone tells me.
I do think she was treated badly by Nike, maybe even abused to some extent, but I don't believe that entitles her to a monetary payout.
mcndnend wrote:
sayyestonepotism wrote:
Nothing unique about her case. Runner got injured from doing the Training a coach gave her. Anyone could sue If she wins this case
Ok let me make this simple for all you boring fragile armchair coaching men.
He didn’t just casually tell her to watch her weight. He humiliated her in public about gaining five pounds because she ate bacon and eggs with a pre-race meal. He set an arbitrary number of 114 pounds (which has no basis in reality or performance) and wouldn’t let her go to Europe or compete because she hadn’t hit it. He gave her birth control and prescription drugs—illegal acts—to lose weight. Stop reframing this as just a tough guy. He was a creep.
She didn’t just “get injured” she lost her period for years and developed REDS which led to five broken bones. That was from his pointless pressure and fixation on her weight, NOT her performance. Because I emphasize, she was running well when the weight obsession started.
As another poster mentioned, her claims of abuse were widely corroborated by several adult NOP members including lambie, begley, goucher, levins, areson, and Steve magness too.
Now whether this case will win or not, fine that’s up for debate. But don’t try to paint this banned coach as just a tough guy getting bullied by woke sjws.
I guess you were there and witnessed all of this yourself? Or are you just spewing he said/she said?
So you forgot what your Mom cooked for you. Your Mom should have pulled you aside , not your coach.
GettingFasterDude wrote:
This will not go to trial and Cain will not get $20 million. She and her legal team know that. They also know, a few hundred thousand dollars is pocket change to Nike, which means the overwhelming likelihood is Nike will pay that to her to go away quietly and stop giving them bad press. This is a shakedown designed to capitalized on the "Me Too" anti-bully backlash of our times. Unfortunately, this is how our system works and that's why it's going to work.
I would go to court. Let her prove being fatter has no effect on performance