Star wrote:
The only issue is the starter failed to recall he race.
A blatant miss.
There is often a second starter to look for false starts that can also fire a second shot to stop the race.
Did they have two starters that screwed up?
Failed to recall the race? This isn't a high school meet. Know the rules or shut up.
rojo wrote:
Here is another angle many of you enjoy - from behind.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CO5_6kzn3Nt/The more I watch, the more I think Mo's not at fault. Yes he was an idiot to put his arms out like that (Mo ran that - the way I woud have at age 15- trying to draw attention to himself and get like a foul call which servies no purpose), but Avila is a big boy and coming down hard on him. And the guy to Avila's right is a tank.
And I can no longer fault the starter as per the rules, he isnt' supposed to recall them. But I do fault him for not letting them get set before the start.
In races like this, should they actually liine the guys up accorind to how they are going to run. Like, if you are going to go with the rabbit - start here - if you want to run in the back - start here. I think they should.
If you watch this carefully you can see that Avila, the runner in the dark vest to the right (in this video from rear view) of Mo, gives him repeated little elbow checks as if to say get out.... and that may have been the catalyst in the aggression from Mo which ensued when he dragged him down. Both runners in someway are guilty but I think Mo was somewhat provoked. Avila went overboard in giving those little elbow checks which were not necessary, especially to a guy who weighs a little over 100 pounds....(120).
I’m guessing that both Mo and Avila are great guys normally but that this situation was generated by a very competitive situation which got out of hand. Mo felt really frustrated because the 1500 m was in his plans (nailing a fast one) for Tokyo. That being resulted in the sour grapes that followed when Mo refused to acknowledge his rival after the race.
Moh Ahmed and Marc Scott tryna catch a body.
huh? went back to page 3 and looked at your rules and yes, it should have been called back.
Ghost1 wrote:
rojo wrote:
Here is another angle many of you enjoy - from behind.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CO5_6kzn3Nt/The more I watch, the more I think Mo's not at fault. Yes he was an idiot to put his arms out like that (Mo ran that - the way I woud have at age 15- trying to draw attention to himself and get like a foul call which servies no purpose), but Avila is a big boy and coming down hard on him. And the guy to Avila's right is a tank.
And I can no longer fault the starter as per the rules, he isnt' supposed to recall them. But I do fault him for not letting them get set before the start.
In races like this, should they actually liine the guys up accorind to how they are going to run. Like, if you are going to go with the rabbit - start here - if you want to run in the back - start here. I think they should.
If you watch this carefully you can see that Avila, the runner in the dark vest to the right (in this video from rear view) of Mo, gives him repeated little elbow checks as if to say get out.... and that may have been the catalyst in the aggression from Mo which ensued when he dragged him down. Both runners in someway are guilty but I think Mo was somewhat provoked. Avila went overboard in giving those little elbow checks which were not necessary, especially to a guy who weighs a little over 100 pounds....(120).
I’m guessing that both Mo and Avila are great guys normally but that this situation was generated by a very competitive situation which got out of hand. Mo felt really frustrated because the 1500 m was in his plans (nailing a fast one) for Tokyo. That being resulted in the sour grapes that followed when Mo refused to acknowledge his rival after the race.
That's not what I see at all. Especially when yo see the slo-mo (no pun intended) vimeo version.
It's difficult to tell the initial contact. However, if you take it frame by frame, it appears the Mo is, at the very start, trying to put is arms out in front of Avial and Wynne, try to get in front of them. Avila has his arms up and moves them down swapping Mo's arms away. This start Mo bouncing over in front of Wynne. Wynne is having none of this and sends Mo back bouncing back over in front of Avila. Mo is swinging his arms wildly. Possibly because he is off balance, possibly to protect is position, possibly to keep others from passing him. He as Avila tangle arms. Avila holds his space. Mo bounces back in front of Wynne. Then they settle down for a few yards. Finally, Wynne tries to get in front of Mo. He tries to squeeze through, sending Mo bouncing back to Avila again, and again tangling arms. Avila tries to get Mo's failing arms off him. Mo is still in contact with Wynne also and starts losing balance. He might have clipped his heal against Avila leg, but he's going down. Wynne reaches out to either stabilize him, or push him. Can't tell because his arm is hidden. Mo realizes he's going down and grabs onto Avila jersey. At first it might have been to break his fall, but it quickly is apparent his wants to take him with him.
I put almost all the blame on Mo. His arms were all over the place. This was not protect your space arms. This was either I'm out of control, or I'm getting in your space to keep you behind me. It looked like the later to me. From my perspective it seems that Mo initiated all the content. Escalated the contact, and then played bad sport. Avila was protected his space, used his arm appropriately, and did not try to kick Mo's a**.
Interesting analysis but since we see things differently perhaps we can encourage a final arbiter to make a decision about the whole situation? However, it seems everyone has their biases to some degree so we may never know the full extent of the story.
rojo wrote:
The more I watch, the more I think Mo's not at fault. Yes he was an idiot to put his arms out like that (Mo ran that - the way I woud have at age 15- trying to draw attention to himself and get like a foul call which servies no purpose), but Avila is a big boy and coming down hard on him. And the guy to Avila's right is a tank.
You need to watch it from the front again and know how Mo races - he thinks of track and field as a contact sport (see video starting at 0:45), that's the attitude he goes in with... and yeah, pushing and shoving happens - what doesn't happen, is grabbing the guys shirt and pulling him down because you're pissed off. What Mo did was dirty and poor sportsmanship. 100% he is the problem in that fall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjr534FtSPUSomewhat related, was Kejelcha ever sanctioned for this bit of gamesmanship?
I don’t get how people are defending Moh…
Even if the jostling and Moh’s fall were Avila’s fault, it just can’t be OK for someone in a race who is falling to be the judge, jury, and executioner and grab the singlet of the guy he blames and drag him to the ground
Watch the slow motion again, hard to judge intent but it doesn't seem like he was trying to pull him down and had let go of the singlet before Avila was off his feet. Granted the damage was done at that point but if it was vindictive I don't think he would have let go until he had slammed him to the ground with him
duck sauce wrote:
I don’t get how people are defending Moh…
Even if the jostling and Moh’s fall were Avila’s fault, it just can’t be OK for someone in a race who is falling to be the judge, jury, and executioner and grab the singlet of the guy he blames and drag him to the ground
Not everyone agrees with your assertion that Ahmed intentionally pulled Avila down as retribution for the start. Some us understands reflexes kick in when you are falling/off balance.
we need Zola Budd wrote:
Alysia Montano was on the grassy knoll!
LOL best post in the thread
Moh has run this way since college or even before. He seems uncoordinated, reacts unpredictably to the slightest contact, gets out of control, and falls or causes falls. I have seen him trip on the rail without anyone even close to him.
rojo wrote:
Here is another angle many of you enjoy - from behind.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CO5_6kzn3Nt/The more I watch, the more I think Mo's not at fault.
....and the more you come off as an apologist clown. All of the other runners are running a straight line for the most part. Mo is all over the place with his arms flailing. Then we he deservedly started to go down, he pulled down another runner.
he isnt' supposed to recall them.
That's all you need so say. Don't embellish with "buts" because you're not good at embellishing.
In races like this, should they actually liine the guys up accorind to how they are going to run. Like, if you are going to go with the rabbit - start here - if you want to run in the back - start here. I think they should.
So you're saying Mo was in over his head. Put him in another heat and if he's too much of a weakling to handle it, request a move to a slower heat.