Official The Track Meet 2020 Live Discussion Thread

Drew got a 10 year contract worth $1M and got college paid for. He was smarter than any of you. Had he gone to college, he would have been lucky to get 1/2 that if he was graduating today.

That is just dumb. You think everyone develops at the same rate? Where is Maton or Slagowski? How is it that Centro is so good. He didn't break 4 in high school. Tyler Day was a 4:20 miler in high school.

allbeury wrote:

0202020 wrote:

What list are you looking at for this? I see 13:17 as American Collegiate record, but that's only including in-season races. Are you sure no one has run faster over the summer?

Slowinsky [13;11], McChesney [13;14 and 15] and Hall [13;15 or 15] have run faster in the summer.

Add in there Eric Jenkins 13:07.

Although I believe both Luis and Cooper have one more year of eligibility? I could be wrong about that.

The Real Winner wrote:

Drew got a 10 year contract worth $1M and got college paid for. He was smarter than any of you. Had he gone to college, he would have been lucky to get 1/2 that if he was graduating today.

If his goal was solely to make money, then yes, he made the right decision. Since I am not a pro runner, I would have made the same decision.

HOWEVER, if his goal was to be the fastest possible runner, I think he made the wrong decision. Ideally, he'd be able to take the money AND reach his full potential, but that doesn't seem to have worked out.

The Real Winner wrote:

That is just dumb. You think everyone develops at the same rate? Where is Maton or Slagowski? How is it that Centro is so good. He didn't break 4 in high school. Tyler Day was a 4:20 miler in high school.

You seriously believe that Hunter is a late bloomer?

No. I think he was an early bloomer. All of the people knocking his decisions seem to think that he will progress as much as every other runner and that they will all remain proportionately equal. That is why I pointed out some early bloomers and some later bloomers. I don't see too many people calling out Maton or Slagowski. Shouldn't they be running 13:15 by now?

The Real Winner wrote:

No. I think he was an early bloomer. All of the people knocking his decisions seem to think that he will progress as much as every other runner and that they will all remain proportionately equal. That is why I pointed out some early bloomers and some later bloomers. I don't see too many people calling out Maton or Slagowski. Shouldn't they be running 13:15 by now?

Neither Maton not Slagowski signed a million dollar deal to be pro runners. Of course their expectations are considerably lower.

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what a loser wrote:

Drew was committed to Oregon and thought he was too good so he went pro. Now he is losing to Oregon athletes. LMAO.

I honestly can't blame him because the money was very tempting, but he's gotta be kicking himself a bit.

Why? I mean, he got $1,000,000 over many years + a CU education paid for, no? Or am I wrong about that? He has a social media presence and is probably getting endorsements too. He just ran 13:17, and, while I’m sure he wanted the standard, this is not the time to be in peak shape, so I’m sure there will be other opportunities.

I get that, in theory, he shouldn’t be losing to college athletes when he has a 3:57 mile PR from high school, but, I know he has had some foot problems? Maybe many are right that it’s time to graduate from Tinman, especially for a kick finish kind of race, but Drew is still plenty young. He has time to improve. The other thing to consider is that it’s much harder to get in fast, quality sessions at high altitude to prep for a race like this, so, advantage Oregon.

rojo wrote:

workingman1 wrote:

Former Butler Bulldog/UK native. Had some good results on the roads for a few years after college but has definitely hit another gear on the track since moving to Seattle and joining club Northwest. He has some pretty epic Strava segments in the Indianapolis area from the years he spent here... Also known for being absolutely unbeatable on Thanksgiving.

Was his pb really just 14:10 coming in?

A little birdy told me he ran a 13:45 solo effort on the track this July in the Seattle area.

In terms of money, he made the right call. No doubt about it. However, I'm certain he did not make the right call for his development.

Personally, I think adidas was incredibly irresponsible to offer him so much money to turn pro out of high school. Really made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

He improved and got $1M. Sounds like a better deal than those other 2 got. Does a contract make you faster?

The Real Winner wrote:

He improved and got $1M. Sounds like a better deal than those other 2 got. Does a contract make you faster?

No, a contract raises your expectations. How do you not understand this?

I expect more of a guy being paid $1million dollars to run than guys being paid $0 to run.

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The Real Winner wrote:

Drew got a 10 year contract worth $1M and got college paid for. He was smarter than any of you. Had he gone to college, he would have been lucky to get 1/2 that if he was graduating today.

If his goal was solely to make money, then yes, he made the right decision. Since I am not a pro runner, I would have made the same decision.

HOWEVER, if his goal was to be the fastest possible runner, I think he made the wrong decision. Ideally, he'd be able to take the money AND reach his full potential, but that doesn't seem to have worked out.

I’m not sure if he did. If he was injured with Tinman, who doesn’t prescribe a lot of high intensity training from what I know, then I think he would have been perpetually injured in just about any top NCAA program. I doubt he would have a better contract after college than the one he’s currently on given that. Also, Tinman obviously isn’t a great pro-level coach, but for all we know Hunter would be injured right now with Bowerman. Maybe this is about as good as he can be.

Obviously we can't really know anything about hypothetical scenarios. BUT, you are saying that it's more likely that Drew is just injury prone. My opinion is that Drew is fairly normal in this regard, but TINMAN is to blame for these injuries. I think he would be injured LESS at BTC.

if he was on bowerman he would have access to a lot better PT, chiropractors, ect. maybe he’d be less injured on bowerman.

There's really not a lot of magic in PT...anything available to Bowerman would probably be easy enough to find in Boulder. All pro groups have plenty of injuries, it's just the nature of the sport.

I also think Tinman is to blame for his injuries, as he's clearly not working much on Drew's form. As the poster above mentions, he would have better PT at BTC, so maybe he would be doing better. I'm not sure. The only reason I think he might be injury prone is that he apparently started having injury problems two summers ago when he increased his mileage to 90 or 95 mpw, which shouldn't be detrimental for a pro 5k runner at 22 or 23 years old. I think the ultimate problem is his form, but as we saw with Mary Cain, changing an athlete's form isn't always for the best.

sport in decline wrote:

1pm tomorrow, Saturday all closed from Central Valley to San Diego. This includes OC.

Meet must cancel.

Are the 10ks definitely canceled today?

The problem is that nearly every athlete in Tinman elite is constantly injured. The blame falls solely on the coach. "keep the ball rolling" is clearly a gimmick, a false promise.

Their training is deficient, as is their running form, their nutrition, their recovery, and their maturity. The only thing they do well is sell t-shirts.