Collegian Luis Grijalva smokes Drew Hunter (7:42 to 7:44), Nick Young fails to break 8:00

Rono's 7:43.0 and 7:43.9 were in season.

Mike Smith has already said Grivalja would run Indoor Track as opposed to a Cross Country Championship. 3000m/5000m double.

SanDiegorunner wrote:

All fires burn out wrote:

Wrong time of the year to be on fire.

Aren't they racing cross in January?????

If I were running a tune-up for a 15:13 5K qualifier, I'd be pretty happy with a 3000 at 4 seconds/kilometer faster than goal pace. Winning the tune-up race wouldn't be on my radar at all.

13:13

baa baa wool wrote:

.jingoist. wrote:

This is the accurate list, with marks from in season only, excluding the recent marks on a track without a curb or cones, so likely ineligible for the list:

3000 METERS

7:37.70 Rudy Chapa (Oregon) 5/10/79

7:38.59i Alistair Cragg’ (Arkansas) 2/14/04

7:40.51i Edward Cheserek’ (Oregon) 2/20/16

7:42.62i Grant Fisher (Stanford) 2/09/19

7:42.76i Morgan McDonald’ (Wisconsin) 2/09/19

7:42.79i Lawi Lalang’ (Arizona) 1/26/13

7:43.08i Ryan Hill (North Carolina State) 2/11/12

7:43.73i Luis Grijalva’ (Northern Arizona) 2/15/20

7:43.79 Alberto Salazar (Oregon) 5/10/79

7:44.63i Diego Estrada’ (Northern Arizona) 2/11/12

Rono's 7:43.0 and 7:43.9 were in season.

What are the dates? Are they converted marks? I do not find any evidence that they were in season.

From this list, the 7:41,5 was after the NCAA meet. the 7:43.0 was in season.

INSTITUTION MARK DATE

Top Performers and Performances

(1) Henry RONOSO Washington State Washington State 7:32.1h 6/27/1978

(2) Rudy CHAPA Oregon Oregon 7:37.70 5/10/1979

(3) Alistair CRAGGSR Arkansas Arkansas 7:38.59 2/14/2004

(4) Edward CHESEREKJR Oregon Oregon 7:40.51? b 2/20/2016

— Rono {2}SO Washington State Washington State 7:41.5h 6/22/1978

(5) Kip CHERUIYOT Mount St. Mary Mount St. Mary's 7:42.35 7/3/1989

(6) Grant FISHERJR Stanford Stanford 7:42.62 b 2/9/2019

last lap: 26.56

(7) Morgan MCDONALDSR Wisconsin Wisconsin 7:42.76 b 2/9/2019

last lap: 26.47

(8) Lawi LALANGJR Arizona Arizona 7:42.79 1/26/2013

(9) Ryan HILLJR NC State NC State 7:43.08 OT 2/11/2012

— Rono {3} Washington State Washington State 7:43.0h 5/7/1978

(10) Marc SCOTTSR Tulsa Tulsa 7:43.37 7/9/2017

Converted From an Event of Similar Length

Henry RONO Washington State Washington State 7:36.7hc 9/15/1978

Henry RONOSO Washington State Washington State 7:41.4hc 1/21/1978

Henry RONOSO Washington State Washington State 7:43.0hc 2/17/1978

Men's Steeplechase

Makes sense. Given the uncertainty of spring meets this could work for Drew. That being said, if he fails to run a qualifier where does that leave him? Does he try to set up another attempt before spring? Or does he go back to building a base, run some cross country and then load up for a fast spring 5000m? I'm sure there will be some super fast 5k races this spring/early summer prior to the trials. I think Drew needs to be careful with his training if he doesn't run a qualifier next month and not go into panic mode and push too hard over the winter. Be patient and train smart, the fast race will come to him. Just don't get hurt!

"Go Run One"

So there is a race now in december but you think no one will try to host similar meets ANYWHERE in america to chase standards between now and the olympics. Remember the last team Hunter made there were plenty of guys without the standard and that was a regular track season. So relax lol

.jingoist. wrote:

baa baa wool wrote:

Rono's 7:43.0 and 7:43.9 were in season.

What are the dates? Are they converted marks? I do not find any evidence that they were in season.

7:43.0 was 5/7/78

7:43.9 was 5/24/78

Both before NCAAs

westsouthrunner wrote:

THIS IS 100% ACCURATE.

ESPECIALLY NOT KNOWING IF/WHEN/WHERE FUTURE "OLYMPIC STANDARD" RACES WILL BE HELD

So there is a race now in december but you think no one will try to host similar meets ANYWHERE in america to chase standards between now and the olympics. Remember the last team Hunter made there were plenty of guys without the standard and that was a regular track season. So relax lol[/quote]

Actually it would be a big deal if he didn't get the standard in December. It would mean he has to peak for April for races such as Stanford and then peak again later for the trials.

It would mean he has less time to work on his kick because he has to prepare for a time trial type race to hit the standard.

He already has troubling staying healthy. The additional races will put him at an even higher risk.

But anyway, the point was his recent 3k was NOT just some random race early in the season that doesn't matter.

Cooper Teare runs 7:44 edging out his teammate. all about context though. Coop barely beat cole Hocker (a good runner), and Luis convincingly beat Drew Hunter (a great runner). I think Luis is in better shape right now.

maybe maybe not wrote:

Cooper Teare runs 7:44 edging out his teammate. all about context though. Coop barely beat cole Hocker (a good runner), and Luis convincingly beat Drew Hunter (a great runner). I think Luis is in better shape right now.

whoever wrote this is super dumb, prob one of the dumb clout chasers

factssshss wrote:

maybe maybe not wrote:

Cooper Teare runs 7:44 edging out his teammate. all about context though. Coop barely beat cole Hocker (a good runner), and Luis convincingly beat Drew Hunter (a great runner). I think Luis is in better shape right now.

whoever wrote this is super dumb, prob one of the dumb clout chasers

you think Cole Hocker could beat Drew Hunter? I know people like to roast tinman on here but for real?

Is Luis G going pro? He's wearing an Adidas singlet in the race video. Or is that just what he chose to wear unattached?

NJ fan wrote:

But anyway, the point was his recent 3k was NOT just some random race early in the season that doesn't matter.

Sure but it also wasn't an important race. It isn't one that you are tapering for a week for and have done all of your work. It is a stepping stone race to your goal. If Hunter had won the race in 7:44, he wouldn't be a in a different spot that he is today.

This was sort of a middle of the road result. It shows he is in good shape but it isn't enough to say he is going to crush his 5k PR next time he races. It also isn't slow enough where you go what is wrong with him.

Those who are saying that Hunter is done should be saying that Young is done because he was further off of his PR than Hunter was.

As other people have said, Nico’s adapting to a new team, altitude, and style of training. If he can’t improve on his times by spring, the whispers might start getting louder. On the other hand, Drew’s had 3 years as a pro to build himself up and adapt to the pro life. This is only one of his recent “sub-par” races (although honestly this race wasn’t as bad as some people here are saying).

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

NJ fan wrote:

But anyway, the point was his recent 3k was NOT just some random race early in the season that doesn't matter.

Sure but it also wasn't an important race. It isn't one that you are tapering for a week for and have done all of your work. It is a stepping stone race to your goal. If Hunter had won the race in 7:44, he wouldn't be a in a different spot that he is today.

This was sort of a middle of the road result. It shows he is in good shape but it isn't enough to say he is going to crush his 5k PR next time he races. It also isn't slow enough where you go what is wrong with him.

This is his 5th year as a pro. He's making over 100k per year. There is no circumstance where he should be losing to a collegiate athlete. You are all forgetting that Tinman put this race together and Grijalva showed up. This wasn't an NAU race that Tinman spur of the moment came to.

I don't have any problem with Drew Hunter. In fact I am rooting for him. That's why he needs to change his coach RIGHT NOW. Tinman is holding him back.

I’m a fan of this. I’m rooting for drew still which is why I am critical of his decision to still be with Tinman.

I want to see drew be the best runner he can be and that’s not with Tinman. We can beat around the bush all we want saying that it’s only November but the reality is there is a 13:15 time he wants a week or so from now.

Drew is the golden boy of runners in college or who have just graduated. We don’t want to see him go to waste.