Responding to RunRagged that is.
Well said! I agree 100 percent!
Women’s sport is for XX women, not men with physical or mental health issues.
Responding to RunRagged that is.
Well said! I agree 100 percent!
Women’s sport is for XX women, not men with physical or mental health issues.
Who is the idiot talking about “XY females?” That’s an oxymoron! If 30 trillion cells in your body have XY chromosomes, you’re a male! You can put makeup on and wear a dress, but BIOLOGICALLY you’re a male. Even if you cut off your penis, and have a vagina constructed in its place, 30 trillion cells in your body still contain XY chromosomes, making you a male.
The fact that transgender people are discriminated against doesn’t make them females. That’s idiotic logic!
They should lobby for a category in the special Olympics or lobby World Athletes for a transgender 800m.
A true trans rights advocate would lobby for rights based on who they truly are, transgender.
Transgender is not at all the same as intersex. When you get into trans vs cis gender, you are talking about purely gender, which is not the same as sex. Sex is what someone is born as, which makes it unclear when you're talking about intersex individuals. Most people would not support a transgender female competing in women's sports because they were once male. But that's not this case.
they really that stupid wrote:
The fact that transgender people are discriminated against doesn’t make them females. That’s idiotic logic!
They should lobby for a category in the special Olympics or lobby World Athletes for a transgender 800m.
A true trans rights advocate would lobby for rights based on who they truly are, transgender.
Look up Swyer Syndrome.
You might learn something. I did when I looked to see if XY females existed.
It would not hurt some of you to learn new things too.
What I am addressing makes perfect sense if you are not predispositioned to calling Semenya a man (which is technically both wrong and disrespectful) If you're going to be a feminist to try to break the mold for women that was set by foolish notions to begin with AND you believe that Semenya should be part of the dialogue that paints her as antithetical to this mission because you don't believe she is a woman since her testosterone levels are high... Then you should have been part of a major battle to stop women from taking steroids and other PEDs because it taints the fight for feminism since these women have increased their testosterone production. If Semenya is "a man," then women on PEDs have become men. They should have fought to stop it. Why didn't they? Because of discrimination. It all STARTS with appearance. So I am not buying it, no matter how vociferous the explanation may be.
Viking21 wrote:
Stoppit Smith wrote:
If you are truly a feminist back to the initiation of Title IX, where were you when women started trying PEDs?
If we can address the testosterone levels of Semenya, why were you not active to make sure that female athletes did not try PEDs to get better, which amplify testosterone production?
What in the hell are you talking about? Is there a separate discussion going on in your head? Focus, man, focus!
Stoppit Smith wrote:
Look up Swyer Syndrome.
You might learn something. I did when I looked to see if XY females existed.
It would not hurt some of you to learn new things too.
The fact that there can be XY females doesn't make Semenya any less male.
rojo wrote:
Semenya said :
"I’m that athlete who does not worry about times; I take it as it comes. We ran 23.80 and then 23.49 and in the nationals we were hoping to go a little bit down."
"I’ve always said that I’m a power athlete; I can do anything from 100m to a marathon. I have power and speed, which has helped me run a better 800m. From a young age I did the 200m and it has always been easy to do sprints - I was born with sprints....
"I call myself 'supernatural', so I can do anything that I want,"
Caster, if those quotes are true, why can't you simply will yourself to a 1:44 so you can compete in the open 800 or a 19.7 for the open 200?
The good news is she says no matter what happens to her appeal to be able to run the 800, she's sticking with the 200 all season long.
https://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/Athletics/caster-semenya-to-stick-to-200m-no-matter-what-20200519
Robert Johnson of letsrun.com REPEATADLY starts threads about Caster Semenya, and threads attacking people who aren't white.
Rojo: "Japanese Idiot."
Also Rojo: "Caster Semenya is delusional."
ALSO Rojo:" What are you talking about?"
Rojo, READ this and listen for once. Are you listening????
Again, disrespectful.
The fact is and will always remain that her genitalia is ambiguous and was ambiguous at birth.
Clinically, nobody has said that she is male. That is an opinion.
Stoppit Smith wrote:
Again, disrespectful.
The fact is and will always remain that her genitalia is ambiguous and was ambiguous at birth.
Clinically, nobody has said that she is male. That is an opinion.
No.
Semenya is a biological male with a birth defect. Everything else about Semenya's physiology besides the ambiguous external genitalia is male. Went through a full male puberty and has negligible androgen insensitivity.
You can argue all day about gender identity and what she did growing up (all accounts she identified as male and only started the whole female thing once there was a financial incentive) but it's irrelevant.
I appreciate you're not a runner so you probably don't understand the ins and outs of competitive sport, but having males like this compete in the female category is hugely damaging.
Look up any biology textbook and it will tell you that XX chromosomes in the 30 trillion cells in the human body means that person is a female.
Syndromes, genetic disorders, mental health issues exist. Some people are born with two heads too. We don’t change our understanding of biology because of rare exceptions!
XX chromosomes means female. XY chromosomes means male. It’s a biological fact.
There are XY males with delicate features and slim bodies. They may look feminine in a dress with makeup on. However, they are still XY males. Some may even look like beautiful women and be models. But, they are still biological males. You cannot change from male to female or visa versa. You might be able to pull of an external transformation, giving the illusion of transformation, but the 30 trillion cells in your body contain your true gender.
It’s only World Athletes that has a problem with Semenya’s testosterone. The rest of world have a problem with the 30 trillion cells in her body that do not contain XX female chromosomes.
World Athletics are too afraid to set true biological parameters for women’s events.
However, it’s clearly moving in that direction.
Semenya deserves no particular respect beyond the minimum accorded to all living things.
I will disrespect him at every opportunity. His behavior is itself disrespectful. Not only has he not earned any respect above a human neutral, in my mind he has earned negative respect, or disrespect, below a human neutral.
His behavior has been arrogant, venal, juvenile disrespectful, and misogynistic. Far from having earned respect, he has earned shame.
TLDR: he’s an a-hole.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Semenya deserves no particular respect beyond the minimum accorded to all living things.
I will disrespect him at every opportunity. His behavior is itself disrespectful. Not only has he not earned any respect above a human neutral, in my mind he has earned negative respect, or disrespect, below a human neutral.
His behavior has been arrogant, venal, juvenile disrespectful, and misogynistic. Far from having earned respect, he has earned shame.
TLDR: he’s an a-hole.
Funny you bitched about her being juvenile disrespectful and misogynistic, but you called her "he" and "his", double standard, huh?
Feminist organization protecting female sports from males. Please support them to keep men out of women’s sports.
Sledge_Hammer wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Semenya deserves no particular respect beyond the minimum accorded to all living things.
I will disrespect him at every opportunity. His behavior is itself disrespectful. Not only has he not earned any respect above a human neutral, in my mind he has earned negative respect, or disrespect, below a human neutral.
His behavior has been arrogant, venal, juvenile disrespectful, and misogynistic. Far from having earned respect, he has earned shame.
TLDR: he’s an a-hole.
Funny you bitched about her being juvenile disrespectful and misogynistic, but you called her "he" and "his", double standard, huh?
Not in the slightest. 0/10
However, your attempt was equally juvenile to Semenya’s actions.
Semenya started out within an issue—but through self-absorption and self-aggrandizement, then became a new issue. The Semenya issue is about his speech and conduct, and how it evidences his attitudes, and what that says about his character.
There are other athletes within the original issue, but by-and-large they are not a-holes. There is only one Semenya. His conduct has made him an embarrassment to others within the original issue, and because of this, they do not associate themselves with him.
Make mo mistake, he’s a narcissist who has made it about himself.
You appreciate what?!!!! So, I am defending Caster Semenya based on what I know, what I feel and my ideas about how she is being treated and so I automatically become not a runner? Admittedly, I may not be the fastest runner with my fastest 5k at 19:35 and my fastest 10k at 42:27... But how dare you judge my knowledge of running and/or the fact that I do or do not run by my defense of Semenya. Let me educate YOU, Junior because unless you are a super elite, you're not fast enough to be entitled to talk to me at that level. People like you who grew up in entitlement (see: Daddy's Rich Brat) think it's okay to speak about people who are different in ways that even the freaking devil would blush at. What I DO know about competition is that Semenya was initially CLEARED to compete after the first rounds of the genetic testing. What I DO know, fraternity ape is that she complied with every regulation that IAAF and CAS asked her to. I doubt whether YOU complied with every regulation if you were as good an athlete as you are at insulting people, but that's between you and God. I understand running properly I understand competition properly I understand Semenya properly And now I understand you properly Without your running buds, you have nothing. i get it. It must be nice to be so warped.
trollism wrote:
Stoppit Smith wrote:
Again, disrespectful.
The fact is and will always remain that her genitalia is ambiguous and was ambiguous at birth.
Clinically, nobody has said that she is male. That is an opinion.
No.
Semenya is a biological male with a birth defect. Everything else about Semenya's physiology besides the ambiguous external genitalia is male. Went through a full male puberty and has negligible androgen insensitivity.
You can argue all day about gender identity and what she did growing up (all accounts she identified as male and only started the whole female thing once there was a financial incentive) but it's irrelevant.
I appreciate you're not a runner so you probably don't understand the ins and outs of competitive sport, but having males like this compete in the female category is hugely damaging.
Tell me how Semenya's level of confidence in women's events is any different from Christian Coleman's for the men. I'll wait.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
However, your attempt was equally juvenile to Semenya’s actions.
Semenya started out within an issue—but through self-absorption and self-aggrandizement, then became a new issue. The Semenya issue is about his speech and conduct, and how it evidences his attitudes, and what that says about his character.
There are other athletes within the original issue, but by-and-large they are not a-holes. There is only one Semenya. His conduct has made him an embarrassment to others within the original issue, and because of this, they do not associate themselves with him.
Make mo mistake, he’s a narcissist who has made it about himself.