Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

You are very mistaken here. The information to still come out will be bad enough that even bad Republicans will have to do it (and they aren't all bad)...there is no way they want to go up against Democrats while Trump is still in office for the 2018 mid term elections. They will do it to save themselves. There is no loyalty to Trump. Most of them are hoping it is so cut and dried that they finally have a reason to get rid of him.

I really hope you're right, but you're going to have to do a lot more to convince me I'm mistaken. Some of the more intelligent Republicans are obviously fed up with Trump's idiocy, but you're not paying attention if you think there is no loyalty to him on the hill. Many members of the legislature are totally on board. Furthermore, the majority of the Republican base is going to support Donald Trump no matter what. (Unless, of course, he strikes a more moderate stance on immigration.) It doesn't matter how much evidence they are presented with, they either won't believe Trump did anything wrong or won't care. The good people of Alabama are about to send an openly bigoted child-molester to the Senate, for crying out loud.

It will be a significant political risk for Congressional Republicans to continue to support Trump when more damning revelations emerge, but it might be an even bigger risk to turn on him. Anyone who throws Trump under the bus will be primaried, and there is a good chance they will lose. Democrats will have all the momentum come mid-terms, but between gerrymandering, more legislative/administrative attacks on voting rights in the states, and another cycle of cyber interference by their Russian friends, Republicans have authoritarian tools at their disposal that could overcome popular backlash to Trump. They can't overcome their deranged, knuckle-dragging base. It's too late.

While the first telephone exchanges between Mr. Obama and foreign leaders were limited to pledges of future cooperation and invitations to visit, those leaders and their aides have also been contacting Mr. Obama’s advisers and their surrogates with suggestions on how an Obama administration should conduct, and change, American foreign policy.

There are also signs that some foreign governments are moving to alter the playing field even before Mr. Obama takes office. On Wednesday alone, North Korea said it would not allow international inspectors to take soil and nuclear waste samples from its main nuclear complex; Iran said it successfully tested a new long-range missile that it claimed was capable of reaching southeastern Europe; and Russia rejected an American proposal meant to assuage Russian fears over the planned missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic.

The foreign efforts to sway the new team are normal during any presidential transition, but they are accelerated in this case, foreign policy experts say, because of the historic nature of Mr. Obama’s election and the significantly different course that world leaders expect him to pursue in American foreign policy.

And the big deal is? wrote:

L L wrote:

Flynn was fired because during the transition period before Trump was inaugurated, Flynn was telling the Russians that the sanctions Obama put on them would not be upheld by Trump.

When this came out, he told Pence that he did not do that.

Then he was fired when it turned out that he lied to Pence. That he did, in fact, tell the Russians that Trump would not uphold sanctions.

The story at the time, was that Flynn did this on his own, without direction from Trump.

(Why would Trump fire him for doing what he was told?)

Now it turns it that Kushner directed Flynn to relay this to the Russians.

So he lied to the Feds initially, that he did this on his own.

So he is being charged with lying about who told him to do this.

Trump surely knew that Kushner directed Flynn to do this.

So basically Trump sent Flynn to make a deal with the Russians before he became president and had to fire him when that meeting became known.

In the end, Trump is the one responsible for this meeting.

So, if it was serious enough for Flynn to be fired shouldn't it be serious enough for Trump to be fired?

Russia! Collusion! Election interference! Trump is a Russian agent! He's groomed by Putin!

So, where did all of this go?

Right hander wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

Flagpole was man enough come back after his bad prediction (yes, when its shown that Trump cheated, you will be fully exonerated and you can throw off the shackles of your past faulty prediction ).

Will "itsbaddude" and"rigged for hillary" and all the others who dismissed and laughed at the "fake news" of the Russian connection come back and admit they were wrong? I don't think so.

Already I noticed absence of their posts.

It’s hilarious to watch the MSM and their mindless sheep try to spin non-pre-election-collusion with collusion. CNN has a front page article using words like “shocking”, “explosive”, “...now Trump can’t say such and such...” It’s very predictable brainwashing for the useful idiots.

They never say anything referring to colllluuuuuuusion relating to the Trump campaign during 2016.

Trump’s run up to 2020 is going to be glorious to watch. lol!

it happens wrote:

11/14/2008

While the first telephone exchanges between Mr. Obama and foreign leaders were limited to pledges of future cooperation and invitations to visit, those leaders and their aides have also been contacting Mr. Obama’s advisers and their surrogates with suggestions on how an Obama administration should conduct, and change, American foreign policy.

There are also signs that some foreign governments are moving to alter the playing field even before Mr. Obama takes office. On Wednesday alone, North Korea said it would not allow international inspectors to take soil and nuclear waste samples from its main nuclear complex; Iran said it successfully tested a new long-range missile that it claimed was capable of reaching southeastern Europe; and Russia rejected an American proposal meant to assuage Russian fears over the planned missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic.

The foreign efforts to sway the new team are normal during any presidential transition, but they are accelerated in this case, foreign policy experts say, because of the historic nature of Mr. Obama’s election and the significantly different course that world leaders expect him to pursue in American foreign policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/washington/14policy.html

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

You are very mistaken here. The information to still come out will be bad enough that even bad Republicans will have to do it (and they aren't all bad)...there is no way they want to go up against Democrats while Trump is still in office for the 2018 mid term elections. They will do it to save themselves. There is no loyalty to Trump. Most of them are hoping it is so cut and dried that they finally have a reason to get rid of him.

I really hope you're right, but you're going to have to do a lot more to convince me I'm mistaken. Some of the more intelligent Republicans are obviously fed up with Trump's idiocy, but you're not paying attention if you think there is no loyalty to him on the hill. Many members of the legislature are totally on board. Furthermore, the majority of the Republican base is going to support Donald Trump no matter what. (Unless, of course, he strikes a more moderate stance on immigration.) It doesn't matter how much evidence they are presented with, they either won't believe Trump did anything wrong or won't care. The good people of Alabama are about to send an openly bigoted child-molester to the Senate, for crying out loud.

It will be a significant political risk for Congressional Republicans to continue to support Trump when more damning revelations emerge, but it might be an even bigger risk to turn on him. Anyone who throws Trump under the bus will be primaried, and there is a good chance they will lose. Democrats will have all the momentum come mid-terms, but between gerrymandering, more legislative/administrative attacks on voting rights in the states, and another cycle of cyber interference by their Russian friends, Republicans have authoritarian tools at their disposal that could overcome popular backlash to Trump. They can't overcome their deranged, knuckle-dragging base. It's too late.