Flagpole wrote:
Worse yet.
Flynn says that Trump directed him to meet with the Russians.
UPDATE -- news is now that it's Kushner who did it. Now, was Kushner directed by Trump himself? Not sure yet. Clear that Trump has lied that he didn't know about any contact with Russia.
Flagpole wrote:
Trump's firing of Comey was the dumbest thing (regarding his own protection) that he has done.
Under Comey, the FBI had already determined that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Michael Flynn. And, of course, the reason for Mueller's investigation was the fact that Trump fired Comey.
That's silly. Trump's firing of Comey didn't make much tactical sense, but it's been clear that Flynn was in legal trouble for a long time. Certainly by the time he resigned in February it was clear that he had violated lobbying laws in regard to his relationship with Turkey.
Flagpole wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Worse yet.
Flynn says that Trump directed him to meet with the Russians.
UPDATE -- news is now that it's Kushner who did it. Now, was Kushner directed by Trump himself? Not sure yet. Clear that Trump has lied that he didn't know about any contact with Russia.
So, what's the crime? Please, define what Trump/Kushner is guilty of...
its_baddude wrote:
Using simple logic will tell you that the extra money business will have will have to go somewhere. Thinks will trickle down.
Is this too complicated for you?
If only economic behavior obeyed "simple logic." Money, by itself, does not "go somewhere." It's not a river.
If I have 1 billon dollars in the bank, and a new tax policy gives me 500,000 more dollars, it's never spent. This is well researched human behavior.
Keep ignoring the other two times this strategy was used in the U.S. It only concentrated wealth then and that's the end result again.
And the big deal is? wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
UPDATE -- news is now that it's Kushner who did it. Now, was Kushner directed by Trump himself? Not sure yet. Clear that Trump has lied that he didn't know about any contact with Russia.
So, what's the crime? Please, define what Trump/Kushner is guilty of...
The problem is for what reason? Why the benign attitude about Russia? Russia is not an ally. The other problem is that everyone including Trump himself has denied having any meetings with Russia. Why do that if everything was on the up and up?
So, what's the crime? Well, if anyone has lied under oath, we have that. More likely we have obstruction of justice, but even more ominous out there is the possibility of conspiracy. Collusion is the colloquial term and not a legal one, but Conspiracy is the legal term that this could reach.
If anyone believes that Kushner was acting on his own when directing Flynn, I have some swamp land in Florida to sell them. Direction from Kushner means direction from Trump.
Trump will be removed from office either by impeachment or his own resignation. He deserves prison time. I would like to see him imprisoned on a variety of charges including his extremely likely criminal behavior related to the Trump Organization and the Trump Foundation.
I don't even think I need to do the "Mueller is coming...tick, tick, tick" anymore as that seems hardly prophetic at this point.
Trump is done.
Flynn was fired because during the transition period before Trump was inaugurated, Flynn was telling the Russians that the sanctions Obama put on them would not be upheld by Trump.
When this came out, he told Pence that he did not do that.
Then he was fired when it turned out that he lied to Pence. That he did, in fact, tell the Russians that Trump would not uphold sanctions.
The story at the time, was that Flynn did this on his own, without direction from Trump.
(Why would Trump fire him for doing what he was told?)
Now it turns it that Kushner directed Flynn to relay this to the Russians.
So he lied to the Feds initially, that he did this on his own.
So he is being charged with lying about who told him to do this.
Trump surely knew that Kushner directed Flynn to do this.
So basically Trump sent Flynn to make a deal with the Russians before he became president and had to fire him when that meeting became known.
In the end, Trump is the one responsible for this meeting.
So, if it was serious enough for Flynn to be fired shouldn't it be serious enough for Trump to be fired?
Yawn. I am not Flagpole but the fact that it has you chasing your tails in circles is delicious. Here's lunch. http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article187503133.html
Switzerlander wrote:
And, Dude R Ama is right, that's flagpole indeed, complimenting himself over and over.
EPlC Flagpole wrote:
But you and I both know that every single one of these breaks in the case are super disappointing for you guys. A year in, and we're still waiting on anything solid to come out.
Felony conviction in less than 12 months isn't disappointing. So far, no one is fighting and they've got Flynn in the best possible situation.
Again, Trump is such an idiot I could easily imagine unrelated charges making his life difficult. The Russians had turned Trump years ago. All you have to do is play to his ego and give him some money. He's too stupid to know he's their b!tch. That's statecraft and certainly not against the law.
We live in interesting times.
Flagpole wrote:
And the big deal is? wrote:
So, what's the crime? Please, define what Trump/Kushner is guilty of...
The problem is for what reason? Why the benign attitude about Russia? Russia is not an ally. The other problem is that everyone including Trump himself has denied having any meetings with Russia. Why do that if everything was on the up and up?
So, what's the crime? Well, if anyone has lied under oath, we have that. More likely we have obstruction of justice, but even more ominous out there is the possibility of conspiracy. Collusion is the colloquial term and not a legal one, but Conspiracy is the legal term that this could reach.
If anyone believes that Kushner was acting on his own when directing Flynn, I have some swamp land in Florida to sell them. Direction from Kushner means direction from Trump.
Trump will be removed from office either by impeachment or his own resignation. He deserves prison time. I would like to see him imprisoned on a variety of charges including his extremely likely criminal behavior related to the Trump Organization and the Trump Foundation.
I don't even think I need to do the "Mueller is coming...tick, tick, tick" anymore as that seems hardly prophetic at this point.
Trump is done.
This means nothing for Trump. He has not lied under oath, he has not obstructed. He will not be removed from office over any Russian collusion
L L wrote:
Flynn was fired because during the transition period before Trump was inaugurated, Flynn was telling the Russians that the sanctions Obama put on them would not be upheld by Trump.
When this came out, he told Pence that he did not do that.
Then he was fired when it turned out that he lied to Pence. That he did, in fact, tell the Russians that Trump would not uphold sanctions.
The story at the time, was that Flynn did this on his own, without direction from Trump.
(Why would Trump fire him for doing what he was told?)
Now it turns it that Kushner directed Flynn to relay this to the Russians.
So he lied to the Feds initially, that he did this on his own.
So he is being charged with lying about who told him to do this.
Trump surely knew that Kushner directed Flynn to do this.
So basically Trump sent Flynn to make a deal with the Russians before he became president and had to fire him when that meeting became known.
In the end, Trump is the one responsible for this meeting.
So, if it was serious enough for Flynn to be fired shouldn't it be serious enough for Trump to be fired?
If you remember, Trump was not upset that Flynn lied but that the press found out about it. He then praised Flynn as a "great man" afterwards and blamed the media for treating Flynn badly. I knew at the the time that this was Trump's way of trying to gain loyalty from Flynn because he knew Flynn had dirt on him.
Trump WILL be fired. Impeachment or resignation is coming, and perhaps sooner than most would imagine. A year from now seems impossible to imagine. Should be much sooner than that.
Trump is done.
Tick Tick Tick.
XY wrote:
This means nothing for Trump. He has not lied under oath, he has not obstructed. He will not be removed from office over any Russian collusion
^So triggered. So desperate. The Cheeto is toasted.
XY wrote:
This means nothing for Trump. He has not lied under oath, he has not obstructed. He will not be removed from office over any Russian collusion
WOW! Dude, really?!
Yes he hasn't lied under oath, but so what? He has lied about not knowing of any Russian connections, and he will be gotten on obstruction of justice at a MINIMUM.
Then, when we find out what Flynn talked to the Russians about, Trump faces possible CONSPIRACY charges.
This will end in shame for Trump.
Trump is done.
L L wrote:
Flynn was fired because during the transition period before Trump was inaugurated, Flynn was telling the Russians that the sanctions Obama put on them would not be upheld by Trump.
When this came out, he told Pence that he did not do that.
Then he was fired when it turned out that he lied to Pence. That he did, in fact, tell the Russians that Trump would not uphold sanctions.
The story at the time, was that Flynn did this on his own, without direction from Trump.
(Why would Trump fire him for doing what he was told?)
Now it turns it that Kushner directed Flynn to relay this to the Russians.
So he lied to the Feds initially, that he did this on his own.
So he is being charged with lying about who told him to do this.
Trump surely knew that Kushner directed Flynn to do this.
So basically Trump sent Flynn to make a deal with the Russians before he became president and had to fire him when that meeting became known.
In the end, Trump is the one responsible for this meeting.
So, if it was serious enough for Flynn to be fired shouldn't it be serious enough for Trump to be fired?
Russia! Collusion! Election interference! Trump is a Russian agent! He's groomed by Putin!
So, where did all of this go?
They can get Trump et al. with the Logan Act even.
It is over. Trump is done.
The economy destruction bill is going to pass. The American people know how to spend their money more effectively than the evil government, but corporate interests know how to spend the American peoples' money even more effectively than they do. Econ 101, lefties.
Rand Paul is such a preening wanker that he has a computer in his DC office dedicated to the national debt clock. In a just world, he and all of the other self-proclaimed "deficit hawks" would receive a good old fashioned tar and feathering in the public square for their shameless hypocrisy.
I understand that critical thinking is not your strong suit, but I'm optimistic that this could assist you with your basic comprehension problem:http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/362834-kushner-is-senior-trump-transition-official-who-ordered-flynn-to
And the big deal is? wrote:
Russia! Collusion! Election interference! Trump is a Russian agent! He's groomed by Putin!
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And the big deal is? wrote:
Russia! Collusion! Election interference! Trump is a Russian agent! He's groomed by Putin!
So, where did all of this go?
Exactly. This situation essentially 'interferes' with the pre-election collusion narrative.
Rigged for Trump wrote:
I understand that critical thinking is not your strong suit, but I'm optimistic that this could assist you with your basic comprehension problem:
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/362834-kushner-is-senior-trump-transition-official-who-ordered-flynn-toAnd the big deal is? wrote:
Russia! Collusion! Election interference! Trump is a Russian agent! He's groomed by Putin!
So, where did all of this go?
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I HOPE it's that they finally are getting it. Time for the craziness and likely illegal occupation of the White House to be over.
And it will be.
Trump is done.
"Russia interfered with the election"
Is this still the uncaught big fish?