L L wrote:
Flynn charged
I'll use a Fox link so people will believe it
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/01/michael-flynn-charged-in-special-counsels-russia-investigation.html
Just another step closer to Trump. Mueller is coming...tick, tick, tick.
Trump's firing of Comey was the dumbest thing (regarding his own protection) that he has done.
Under Comey, the FBI had already determined that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Michael Flynn. And, of course, the reason for Mueller's investigation was the fact that Trump fired Comey.
Irony is a dish served cold.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
You are correct.
Too many people get all up in arms about taxes when it is really silly to do so. It's just an emotional issue, and it's pretty easy to have it not bother you at all...just decide that taxes are inevitable and that you will buy what you can with the money you take home.
The ONLY reason to get upset about taxes is if you don't think we are being taxed enough because you are concerned about the national debt and the deficit. Or, I suppose you could be upset if the poor or working class are being taxed too much. The reason the "middle class" is brought up all the time is because that is the largest group, and so both sides want to appeal to them.
Yea just what I want to do, throw more of my hard earned money at the government who has a lousy record of spending in a fiscally responsible manner, and squanders a large chunk of it. The more money it gets, the more it spends, the more it wants and more boated it becomes. The government needs to be on a strict diet, as it is morbidly obese.
I want to gradually increase taxes and decrease expenditures at least until we have cut our debt in half. It’s ludicrous to think piling up debt won’t affect us. If you want to be like Greece, except with nobody to bail you out, keep on your merry way. Deficit spending is gradually killing us.
Flagpole wrote:
Trump's firing of Comey was the dumbest thing (regarding his own protection) that he has done.
Under Comey, the FBI had already determined that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Michael Flynn. And, of course, the reason for Mueller's investigation was the fact that Trump fired Comey.
Irony is a dish served cold.
it gets worse tho - trump then went to the director the NSA, the director of nat intel and many senators and also asked THEM to stop the Russia investigation.
You'd think he'd learn something, but learning is not really a republican thing. It's an unamerican liberal trait, right, conservatives?
if trump is this dumb, I can't wait to get him under oath and watch him perjure himself. And what other chuckleheaded things has trump done? Lots. I'm sure.
foo wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Yea just what I want to do, throw more of my hard earned money at the government who has a lousy record of spending in a fiscally responsible manner, and squanders a large chunk of it. The more money it gets, the more it spends, the more it wants and more boated it becomes. The government needs to be on a strict diet, as it is morbidly obese.
I want to gradually increase taxes and decrease expenditures at least until we have cut our debt in half. It’s ludicrous to think piling up debt won’t affect us. If you want to be like Greece, except with nobody to bail you out, keep on your merry way. Deficit spending is gradually killing us.
+1. now is when we should be putting money away, saving it. Times are good. Save the deficit spending for bad times.
Should be noted of course that repubs were very against deficit spending in '08 when we really needed it. Idiots.
eric a blair wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Trump's firing of Comey was the dumbest thing (regarding his own protection) that he has done.
Under Comey, the FBI had already determined that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Michael Flynn. And, of course, the reason for Mueller's investigation was the fact that Trump fired Comey.
Irony is a dish served cold.
it gets worse tho - trump then went to the director the NSA, the director of nat intel and many senators and also asked THEM to stop the Russia investigation.
You'd think he'd learn something, but learning is not really a republican thing. It's an unamerican liberal trait, right, conservatives?
if trump is this dumb, I can't wait to get him under oath and watch him perjure himself. And what other chuckleheaded things has trump done? Lots. I'm sure.
Probably best and right to keep the lying here to individuals doing it rather that paint all Republicans that way. There are many decent Republicans.
We know that Flynn is a liar. Trump has been proven to be a liar, but we will see if he has lied about Russia. We now know for sure that the Russia thing is not a "hoax" as Trump has said.
There is just no way Trump survives this investigation. He will not make it to the end of his first term. Tick, tick, tick.
eric a blair wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Trump's firing of Comey was the dumbest thing (regarding his own protection) that he has done.
Under Comey, the FBI had already determined that there wasn't enough evidence to charge Michael Flynn. And, of course, the reason for Mueller's investigation was the fact that Trump fired Comey.
Irony is a dish served cold.
it gets worse tho - trump then went to the director the NSA, the director of nat intel and many senators and also asked THEM to stop the Russia investigation.
You'd think he'd learn something, but learning is not really a republican thing. It's an unamerican liberal trait, right, conservatives?
if trump is this dumb, I can't wait to get him under oath and watch him perjure himself. And what other chuckleheaded things has trump done? Lots. I'm sure.
He did nothing illegal as usual. He knows how to push the envelope with out crossing the line. That's always been his MO
its_baddude wrote:
In general yes. Poor people and working class people, by definition, do not invest the money to grow the economy nor they pay the bulk of taxes. They would benefit more from higher wages. How big a tax cut do you want someone who pays 0 taxes to get?
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Middle Class Tax Cuts wrote:
So, you're saying that giving the bulk of the tax cuts to companies and wealthy people will benefit middle class folks more than giving all of the tax cuts to middle class folks? Okaayyyyyyy . . .
OK, so you have self-identified as someone with a negative IQ. Certainly that is a noteworthy achievement.
The next logical step will be for you to tell your boss to please keep your salary to himself. You will be happy to work for nothing - indeed you will be better off that way. You see, then he can increase his profits, grow the business faster and make America great again. Surely that will benefit you more than would giving you the money directly!
Investigation timeline
Jan 20, 2017 Trump inauguration- Michael Flynn becomes National Security Advisor
Jan 26- Attorney General Sally Yates informs Trump about Flynn's ties to Russia
Jan 30 - Yates is fired by Trump
Jeff Sessions is nominated for Attorney General is confirmed while denying any interactions with Russians
Feb 13 - Flynn resigns
Feb 16 - Trump holds a press conference denying any ties to Russia by him or his campaign staffers
March 2 - Sessions recuses himself from investigation of Russian meddling after revealing he did meet with a Russian ambassador during the campaign
March 4- Trump tweets that Obama had his wires tapped
March 20 - FBI director James Comey testifies there was no wire tap
May 3 - Comey testifies about his unease about possibly affecting the election with the Hilary email investigation
May 9 - Trump fires Comey. The White House Briefing said that Trump did so at the recommendation of others
May 10 - Trump hosts Russians in office and brags about firing Comey
May 11 - Trump tells NBC's Lester Holt that he was angry with Comey because of the Russia investigation. His idea to fire Comey
May 17 - Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein appoints Robert Mueller to lead the Russia investigation
Aug 3 - Mueller impanels a grand jury
Oct 5 - former Trump staffer Papadopolous pleads guilty to misleading FBI agents. The guilty plea is kept secret until later.
Oct 30 - Indictments are issued for Paul Manafort and Rick Gates who worked on Trump campaign
Dec 1 - Flynn charged with making false statements to the FBI - Pleas expected
Phew! It's been one helluva year.
L L wrote:
Investigation timeline
Jan 20, 2017 Trump inauguration- Michael Flynn becomes National Security Advisor
Jan 26- Attorney General Sally Yates informs Trump about Flynn's ties to Russia
Jan 30 - Yates is fired by Trump
Jeff Sessions is nominated for Attorney General is confirmed while denying any interactions with Russians
Feb 13 - Flynn resigns
Feb 16 - Trump holds a press conference denying any ties to Russia by him or his campaign staffers
March 2 - Sessions recuses himself from investigation of Russian meddling after revealing he did meet with a Russian ambassador during the campaign
March 4- Trump tweets that Obama had his wires tapped
March 20 - FBI director James Comey testifies there was no wire tap
May 3 - Comey testifies about his unease about possibly affecting the election with the Hilary email investigation
May 9 - Trump fires Comey. The White House Briefing said that Trump did so at the recommendation of others
May 10 - Trump hosts Russians in office and brags about firing Comey
May 11 - Trump tells NBC's Lester Holt that he was angry with Comey because of the Russia investigation. His idea to fire Comey
May 17 - Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein appoints Robert Mueller to lead the Russia investigation
Aug 3 - Mueller impanels a grand jury
Oct 5 - former Trump staffer Papadopolous pleads guilty to misleading FBI agents. The guilty plea is kept secret until later.
Oct 30 - Indictments are issued for Paul Manafort and Rick Gates who worked on Trump campaign
Dec 1 - Flynn charged with making false statements to the FBI - Pleas expected
Zero (0) (null) indictments related to Russian collluuuuuuusion and the 2016 Presidential Election.
Why are you leaving out all the Democrat/Russia-related activites? Of which, there are more and more serious allegations at this point?
Interestingly tho wrote:
L L wrote:
Investigation timeline
Jan 20, 2017 Trump inauguration- Michael Flynn becomes National Security Advisor
Jan 26- Attorney General Sally Yates informs Trump about Flynn's ties to Russia
Jan 30 - Yates is fired by Trump
Jeff Sessions is nominated for Attorney General is confirmed while denying any interactions with Russians
Feb 13 - Flynn resigns
Feb 16 - Trump holds a press conference denying any ties to Russia by him or his campaign staffers
March 2 - Sessions recuses himself from investigation of Russian meddling after revealing he did meet with a Russian ambassador during the campaign
March 4- Trump tweets that Obama had his wires tapped
March 20 - FBI director James Comey testifies there was no wire tap
May 3 - Comey testifies about his unease about possibly affecting the election with the Hilary email investigation
May 9 - Trump fires Comey. The White House Briefing said that Trump did so at the recommendation of others
May 10 - Trump hosts Russians in office and brags about firing Comey
May 11 - Trump tells NBC's Lester Holt that he was angry with Comey because of the Russia investigation. His idea to fire Comey
May 17 - Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein appoints Robert Mueller to lead the Russia investigation
Aug 3 - Mueller impanels a grand jury
Oct 5 - former Trump staffer Papadopolous pleads guilty to misleading FBI agents. The guilty plea is kept secret until later.
Oct 30 - Indictments are issued for Paul Manafort and Rick Gates who worked on Trump campaign
Dec 1 - Flynn charged with making false statements to the FBI - Pleas expected
Zero (0) (null) indictments related to Russian collluuuuuuusion and the 2016 Presidential Election.
Why are you leaving out all the Democrat/Russia-related activites? Of which, there are more and more serious allegations at this point?
1) Investigation not over yet, brother. Don't get too excited about no indictments related to collusion just yet. Remember Trump said this was all a hoax. Apparently not.
2) Democrats aren't in the White House. Activities of sitting President "Trumps" any other political activities. If Democrats are guilty of things, let them be punished accordingly. Crooked President and his cronies are first.
3) While Democrats are capable of committing crimes as bad as what is going on with Trump and his cronies, currently there is nothing to show that they have done anything approaching what this administration has been charged with and is under investigation for.
4) Regardless of what you think of Democrats, you need to admit that Trump is at best an incompetent man who surrounded himself with sleezeballs and at worst is a criminal who needs to be removed from office. You can't defend him by saying..."look at the Democrats". Doesn't work that way. A dude who kills someone can't defend himself by saying "look at Dahmer." Come out of your denial.
Flagpole wrote:
eric a blair wrote:
it gets worse tho - trump then went to the director the NSA, the director of nat intel and many senators and also asked THEM to stop the Russia investigation.
You'd think he'd learn something, but learning is not really a republican thing. It's an unamerican liberal trait, right, conservatives?
if trump is this dumb, I can't wait to get him under oath and watch him perjure himself. And what other chuckleheaded things has trump done? Lots. I'm sure.
Probably best and right to keep the lying here to individuals doing it rather that paint all Republicans that way. There are many decent Republicans.
We know that Flynn is a liar. Trump has been proven to be a liar, but we will see if he has lied about Russia. We now know for sure that the Russia thing is not a "hoax" as Trump has said.
There is just no way Trump survives this investigation. He will not make it to the end of his first term. Tick, tick, tick.
I love your tendency to try to make others believe you're full of confidence by repetitious slogans. You know- "ZERO chance of Trump winning, " and now the pathetic "Tick, tick, tick." I find it incredible that you're doubling down after your massive 2016 Flagpole.
Especially while there is such a lack of evidence regarding Russian collusion. You were obviously chomping at the bit to get back into the posting game after your EPIC Flagpole. You were gone for several months. Agip picked up the slack for you though, as others are also suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. So, along comes an indictment of Manafort [for actions up to 2014, mind you], and out comes a flood of mindless drivel that you're known for around here.
But you and I both know that every single one of these breaks in the case are super disappointing for you guys. A year in, and we're still waiting on anything solid to come out.
You're losing your mind by the day. Trump owns your thoughts. You live in his world. You WILL blow your brains out over him. Tick, tick, tick.
Flagpole wrote:
Interestingly tho wrote:
Zero (0) (null) indictments related to Russian collluuuuuuusion and the 2016 Presidential Election.
Why are you leaving out all the Democrat/Russia-related activites? Of which, there are more and more serious allegations at this point?
1) Investigation not over yet, brother. Don't get too excited about no indictments related to collusion just yet. Remember Trump said this was all a hoax. Apparently not.
2) Democrats aren't in the White House. Activities of sitting President "Trumps" any other political activities. If Democrats are guilty of things, let them be punished accordingly. Crooked President and his cronies are first.
3) While Democrats are capable of committing crimes as bad as what is going on with Trump and his cronies, currently there is nothing to show that they have done anything approaching what this administration has been charged with and is under investigation for.
4) Regardless of what you think of Democrats, you need to admit that Trump is at best an incompetent man who surrounded himself with sleezeballs and at worst is a criminal who needs to be removed from office. You can't defend him by saying..."look at the Democrats". Doesn't work that way. A dude who kills someone can't defend himself by saying "look at Dahmer." Come out of your denial.
Please state the official charge against the Trump administration.
Interestingly tho wrote:
L L wrote:
Investigation timeline
Jan 20, 2017 Trump inauguration- Michael Flynn becomes National Security Advisor
Jan 26- Attorney General Sally Yates informs Trump about Flynn's ties to Russia
Jan 30 - Yates is fired by Trump
Jeff Sessions is nominated for Attorney General is confirmed while denying any interactions with Russians
Feb 13 - Flynn resigns
Feb 16 - Trump holds a press conference denying any ties to Russia by him or his campaign staffers
March 2 - Sessions recuses himself from investigation of Russian meddling after revealing he did meet with a Russian ambassador during the campaign
March 4- Trump tweets that Obama had his wires tapped
March 20 - FBI director James Comey testifies there was no wire tap
May 3 - Comey testifies about his unease about possibly affecting the election with the Hilary email investigation
May 9 - Trump fires Comey. The White House Briefing said that Trump did so at the recommendation of others
May 10 - Trump hosts Russians in office and brags about firing Comey
May 11 - Trump tells NBC's Lester Holt that he was angry with Comey because of the Russia investigation. His idea to fire Comey
May 17 - Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein appoints Robert Mueller to lead the Russia investigation
Aug 3 - Mueller impanels a grand jury
Oct 5 - former Trump staffer Papadopolous pleads guilty to misleading FBI agents. The guilty plea is kept secret until later.
Oct 30 - Indictments are issued for Paul Manafort and Rick Gates who worked on Trump campaign
Dec 1 - Flynn charged with making false statements to the FBI - Pleas expected
Zero (0) (null) indictments related to Russian collluuuuuuusion and the 2016 Presidential Election.
Why are you leaving out all the Democrat/Russia-related activites? Of which, there are more and more serious allegations at this point?
Flynn's lie was about a discussion with a Russian ambassador during the Presidential transition last December. LOL.
Flagpole wrote:
Interestingly tho wrote:
Zero (0) (null) indictments related to Russian collluuuuuuusion and the 2016 Presidential Election.
Why are you leaving out all the Democrat/Russia-related activites? Of which, there are more and more serious allegations at this point?
1) Investigation not over yet, brother. Don't get too excited about no indictments related to collusion just yet. Remember Trump said this was all a hoax. Apparently not.
2) Democrats aren't in the White House. Activities of sitting President "Trumps" any other political activities. If Democrats are guilty of things, let them be punished accordingly. Crooked President and his cronies are first.
3) While Democrats are capable of committing crimes as bad as what is going on with Trump and his cronies, currently there is nothing to show that they have done anything approaching what this administration has been charged with and is under investigation for.
4) Regardless of what you think of Democrats, you need to admit that Trump is at best an incompetent man who surrounded himself with sleezeballs and at worst is a criminal who needs to be removed from office. You can't defend him by saying..."look at the Democrats". Doesn't work that way. A dude who kills someone can't defend himself by saying "look at Dahmer." Come out of your denial.
Flagpole, this is one of your best posts ever. The Dahmer analogy is a classic.
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Legaleze wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
1) Investigation not over yet, brother. Don't get too excited about no indictments related to collusion just yet. Remember Trump said this was all a hoax. Apparently not.
2) Democrats aren't in the White House. Activities of sitting President "Trumps" any other political activities. If Democrats are guilty of things, let them be punished accordingly. Crooked President and his cronies are first.
3) While Democrats are capable of committing crimes as bad as what is going on with Trump and his cronies, currently there is nothing to show that they have done anything approaching what this administration has been charged with and is under investigation for.
4) Regardless of what you think of Democrats, you need to admit that Trump is at best an incompetent man who surrounded himself with sleezeballs and at worst is a criminal who needs to be removed from office. You can't defend him by saying..."look at the Democrats". Doesn't work that way. A dude who kills someone can't defend himself by saying "look at Dahmer." Come out of your denial.
Please state the official charge against the Trump administration.
1) Investigation not over yet, brother. Don't get too excited about no indictments related to collusion just yet.
Just figured I'd help you out there with your reading comprehension issues, bruh.
Let me help you out here wrote:
Legaleze wrote:
Please state the official charge against the Trump administration.
1) Investigation not over yet, brother. Don't get too excited about no indictments related to collusion just yet.
Just figured I'd help you out there with your reading comprehension issues, bruh.
I think he comprehended it just fine, but he simply knows that it's BS. Kinda like when someone on the right posts a link and you call it fake news, like that. Enjoy his full term and re-election, it's only gonna get better. Do you guys have jobs or actually live in your parent's basement?
Let me help you out here wrote:
Legaleze wrote:
Please state the official charge against the Trump administration.
1) Investigation not over yet, brother. Don't get too excited about no indictments related to collusion just yet.
Just figured I'd help you out there with your reading comprehension issues, bruh.
"3) While Democrats are capable of committing..........what this administration has been charged with and is under investigation for."
Just figured I'd help you out there with your reading comprehension issues, bruh.
As expected, no answer.
So there are four people with ties to Trump and his campaign that have been indicted or plead guilty to some crime.
If any or all of them have information about Trump colluding with Russia, they could give information to lesson their punishments.
If Trump is innocent, he's fine.
If he's guilty, are all of them going to do time to protect him?