2025 California T&F Thread

coachy wrote:

Tyris19 wrote:

This is what I said, yet it still doesn't happen. Another disappointing 1:51 800m win. I was 100% confident that there'd be a sub 1:50, but nope. I don't know how this keeps happening. The field is MORE than talented enough to go well under 1:50. But it just doesn't happen. It's insanely frustrating. At this point I'm convinced it's because the kids aren't able to go out fast enough.

"We do waterfall because we want more people to compete in the 800m" so what?? Let's just run the 400m as a waterfall too so we can fit 12 people instead of 8-9? The 800 is not MEANT to have more than 8-9 people in a race. 12 is too many.

When is CIF gonna stop doing this BS? They changed the ruling for how many competitors in the 4x800, why not this too? If you wanna do a waterfall 800m, then make it the 4x800

It wasn’t a waterfall it was an alley start. Not going sub 1:50 wasn’t because of anything that happened in the first 100.

Tyris19 wrote:

ClovisHighAlum wrote:

What makes you say that? We have 6 sub 1:52 runners (3 of which are sub 1:51) returning next season and there are always dudes who come out of nowhere.

This is what I said, yet it still doesn't happen. Another disappointing 1:51 800m win. I was 100% confident that there'd be a sub 1:50, but nope. I don't know how this keeps happening. The field is MORE than talented enough to go well under 1:50. But it just doesn't happen. It's insanely frustrating. At this point I'm convinced it's because the kids aren't able to go out fast enough.

"We do waterfall because we want more people to compete in the 800m" so what?? Let's just run the 400m as a waterfall too so we can fit 12 people instead of 8-9? The 800 is not MEANT to have more than 8-9 people in a race. 12 is too many.

When is CIF gonna stop doing this BS? They changed the ruling for how many competitors in the 4x800, why not this too? If you wanna do a waterfall 800m, then make it the 4x800

mictlantecuhtli wrote:

Final thoughts from this year's state meet:

- Despite the absence of 10 out of the top 16 100 runners in the state, the b100 still delivered. Jefferson is a star! Just unfortunate about what happened with that timing. Supposedly still being debated right now. RT had two separate timing systems going that both matched up at 10.01 - but I mean, cmon.

- Sizemore - what a star! Brilliant runs in the 100 and 200. Could accomplish great things next year. I knew she was gonna win after I saw her jog in her 23.84 during prelims.

- Insane that Prince Buchango medaled in 3 individual running events at the state meet. Extraordinarily difficult to do. Section record in the 110, #2 all time section in the 200.

- Stadlman could be the next big thing. Despite missing a month of training with sickness and injury he still walks away with a 400 state title, one of the fastest 400s in state history, 20.84 in the 200, and almost became the first person since Michael Norman to pull off the 400/200 double (side note: Norman was also half asian. Go figure).

- Leo Francis is a STAR. 25 feet in the long jump, 20.8 in the 200, and a 10.45 last week. He opened up the season FAST and kept it moving. Kudos to him and his coach.

- Makenna Herbst - so close to the state meet record in the 800. Brilliant run all by herself. The depth in the g800 has improved so much over the last few years. 2:10 for 8th is insane business.

- Shame about Clara Adams in the 400. It's tough to walk back up from a DQ like that, but she is only a sophomore. Rutherford the 2 time state runner-up - consistency is it's own form of greatness.

- Unfortunate that the insane rules around the 800 start prevented us from seeing a fast time we all knew the guys out there were capable of. I'm going to say it again - the open 800 is not meant to be raced from an alley. It is a long sprint and should be run from lanes for the first 100 meters. Despite that, it was good to see many of the long-awaited matchups show up at the state meet. The top 3 plus Josiah Bowman are all underclassmen.

- Hanne Thomsen. Just brilliant. She's had a rocky high school career but what else is there to say about a 4:35/9:48 one day double? Possibly one of the best doubles in US HS history, period. Congrats to Jaelyn Williams making it back up from a devastating XC stress fracture.

- Excellent b1600. I'm not afraid to admit I was wrong, I said it was gonna be a very tactical race, and it certainly was not. Lott might be able to break 4 right now, 4:03 with a 56 last lap is nasty business - and he's only a junior.

- Eyan Turk - after a relatively quiet regular season he bosses a tremendous field to win a well-deserved championship. Kentucky picked up a good one - he ALWAYS performs when it counts.

- Jasir Fontenot - I mean, what is there to even say. Could become the greatest ever. The freshman record in the 110 at the start of the year was 14.4 - he dropped it by more than a second. The world U20 record is 12.79 and I wouldn't be shocked to see that go down next year.

- Morgan Herbst. 2nd all time behind SML is a good place to end your high school career. That is a state meet record that might not be broken for a long time. 4 under 41 is just as impressive, honestly. Last year the winning time was 41.24.

- It's good to see the b300h return to speed. It was very slow last year for some reason. I mentioned in my pre-meet predictions that Rendon would be dangerous, considering he had never been seriously challenged during the season, and I was right.

- Servite as a whole - I mean geez. Where do you even go from here. How do you progress from a place most programs as a whole have never even reached. The scary part is that they are obviously gonna receive a ton of transfers now that everyone sees what's going on. They have enough depth that one or two guys could go down (as they did this season) and still break some serious records. 40.00 is gonna look pedestrian compared to what that group could run next year.

- Loren Webster. 21 feet when it counted. Amazing stuff.

- I have to spend a minute on the relays, 4x100 and 4x400. I've seriously never seen depth like this in California. Even the 90s heydays of sprints in the state were nothing compared to whats going on now. 4 teams under 41 at the state meet is madness - and that is WITHOUT the two major programs in the state, Rancho C and LBP not making it through the rounds. Many of these programs are underclassmen-heavy as well - they will be back.

The 4x400.. I mean, I don't know lol. 4 teams under 3:10, with an additional 3 behind them under 3:12 is mind-boggling. How could something like this happen? It is insane. There aren't words that exist to describe how crazy the 4x400 depth in California is right now. Whats even crazier is the fact that none of these programs are even close to the state record of 3:07.40. That may never go.

Tyris19 wrote:

old timer boxman wrote:

People are really that upset about the 800m start rules?? If 12 pros can run the indoor 1500, collegiates run the indoor mile with a waterfall/alley, or indoor HS 800m runners run from alleys at meets like new balance/nike indoor nationals, then a bunch of 1:51 Californians should be able to run from alleys on an outdoor track. The idea that 55 sec/lap paced races are sprints and not distance races is nonsense. Elbows out racing is more exciting and separates the men from the boys. Our sport is too afraid of jostling and the hockey players laugh at us.

As a fan, id rather see a 1:51 race with the added excitement of first turn jostling than a 1:49 race run in lanes and everyone running scared from contact.

Weird take if you ask me. Personally I'd prefer that they run the 800m the same way that pretty much every other HS in the state does, as well as all of NCAA and professional world class level too. But maybe that's just me 🤷‍♂️