whatabout wrote:
Trump supporters are not prepared to hold Trump accountable for anything. It's unusual voter psychology to say the least. Most people around the world wouldn't vote someone in and then just give them a free-pass no matter what.
Talk of the media is a deflection.
CORRECT!
not flagfool wrote:
Yeah, right... that unprecedented single-year gain in your 401k is disappointing you so much, isn't it?
What relevance does 1995 have to this discussion?
Flagpole wrote:
whatabout wrote:
Trump supporters are not prepared to hold Trump accountable for anything. It's unusual voter psychology to say the least. Most people around the world wouldn't vote someone in and then just give them a free-pass no matter what.
Talk of the media is a deflection.
CORRECT!
ZERO chance of that being correct.
Such a silly man.
Sil-A wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
CORRECT!
ZERO chance of that being correct.
Such a silly man.
LOL!! He is indeed silly.
Try this on for size...
I give to you November 3, 2016 at 2:30PM:
Flagpole wrote:
Captain Super Duper Obvious wrote:
I say this with respect and as someone who appreciates most of your posts:
The way you respond to Flagpole is remarkably similar to the way agip has often responded to you (less so recently, to agip's credit). Not pretty.
Do yourself and everyone else a favor and simply ignore all of Flagpole's posts unless/until you can dig yourself out of that ugly place you are in.
- Cheers
I agree with you Captain Super Duper Obvious.
As for Mr. Obvious, no way am I a fraud. I have been solid in my prediction since day 1...never wavering despite polls for a while saying Trump was leading. I haven't been too fond of how Lichtman is going around talking about his keys this time. He has been very wishy washy about them ("well, right now it says Trump, but it could end up being Clinton since Trump is such a different animal", etc.). I am allowed to change my mind on how good I think they are if new information comes forward. Also, my prediction of a Clinton victory isn't solely based on the keys...it still has the right idea about things, but I've always incorporated other factors too.
Here is all you need to know:
1) Lichtman has said as recently as this week that if Gary Johnson falls below 5% of the vote, Clinton wins...he says that is the only key that needs to flip for her and she wins. Johnson is not below 5% at 4.8%. When he said this, Johnson was at 5%, indicating a Trump victory according to Lichtman (though he gave the caveat that Clinton could still win because Trump was such a unique candidate.
2) Trump has ZERO chance to win, regardless of what the keys say this time. I THINK the keys will end up predicting (after the fact) that Clinton would win, but as a predictor this time, it isn't worth anything. Trump loses no matter what.
While any of you who think that Trump will win are deserving of unrelenting ridicule when Hillary wins, I will not be unrelenting because that's not how I roll. I have faith that the ignorant here will learn something for next time. And, for those who believe Trump wins because they are stupid, I can't fault stupidity. People who are stupid didn't ask to be born that way. To summarize, only either ignorant or stupid people really believe Trump will win.
Trump has ZERO chance to win.
Deflection ^^. So flagpole made a bad prediction so what? Old news.
Can we get back to the Trump at hand?
The Clintons are done.
Trump is screwed.
Are you going to hold Trump to account for his actions at any point or are you going to vote for him no matter what he does?
With the "possible" exception of GH Bush the Republicans have not had a legitimate president since Eisenhower.
Trump beat Clinton after he was trounced in the popular vote even with the help of Russian hacking in concert with Wikileaks and the partisan FBI director's last minute false accusation. An announcement like Comey's right before an election is so unprecedented that many people believed she would soon be in jail so they changed their vote.
George W Bush beat Gore after losing the popular vote by convincing the Republican majority on the Supreme Court to stop the Florida recount and appoint GW Bush president (Jeb Bush was governor of Florida at the time)... States rights???
Reagan beat Carter by sending representatives to Iran Before the election to promise a better deal if they held on to the hostages until after the election. (Carter was ahead by 7% until negotiations failed) The Iranians released the hostages minutes after Reagan was sworn in...minutes after the inauguration!, let that sink in.
The Iran Contra "guns for drugs scandal" was Ronnie’s payoff to Ayatollah Khomeini.
Gerald Ford was the only US president never elected to the presidency or the vice presidency. He was appointed by Nixon a criminal.
Nixon undermined Humphrey by directing his campaign’s efforts to scuttle Johnson's Vietnam peace talks, which he feared could give his opponent, Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey, an edge in the 1968 election. The Vietnamese walked out of the Johnson negotiations as a result of the Nixon people's promise......Nixon won but the war dragged on for 4 more years...Nixon even pulled a fast one on Ho Chi Minh!
Nixon also paid burglars to break into the Watergate complex to collect damning information against McGovern before the 72 election even though McGovern didn't have a snowballs chance in hell that year because Nixon wanted his victory to be YUGE!
Nixon cheated....just because that’s what Republicans do...They cheat and they get away with it because Democrats and progressives don't vote in every single election the way Republicans do.
Redpants wrote:
Everyone knows it’s a“Nothingburger” except desperate Liberal pawns (“useful idiots”).
Denial.
Indictments will be raining down on both Republicans and Democrats by the time Mueller and company are finished. His group of 16 top prosecutors didn't leave private practice for a 'nothingburger'.
Watergate took 2 years or so to wrap up. Russia-gate is moving along at mach speed comparatively and this will make Watergate look like a 'nothingburger'.
Country over party.
whatabout wrote:
Deflection ^^. So flagpole made a bad prediction so what? Old news.
Can we get back to the Trump at hand?
The Clintons are done.
Trump is screwed.
Are you going to hold Trump to account for his actions at any point or are you going to vote for him no matter what he does?
1) Deflection? Yep.
2) Flagpole made a bad prediction? Yep...as of now...if cheating during election is proven, then I will be right.
3) Clintons are done. Yes, and thank goodness.
4) Trump is screwed. Yep...most assuredly. Anyone thinking otherwise has got their head in the sand. the only question is how badly is he screwed. Impeachment or having to resign? Yes. Time in prison? Not sure yet. What will charges be? Collusion with foreign state? Money laundering? Tax evasion? Conspiracy against the United States? Treason? The state of NY is already investigating his fraudulent Trump Foundation. He is criminal to the core, and there is no reason to expect that his MO changed during his campaign or since he was elected.
5) Bringing up any former US president or politician (except for perhaps Nixon, and even then only in the very specific way as to talk about removing Trump from office) is a false equivalency. Trump is so much worse that there is no comparison.
Mueller is coming. Tick, tick, tick.
Flagpole wrote:
whatabout wrote:
Deflection ^^. So flagpole made a bad prediction so what? Old news.
Can we get back to the Trump at hand?
The Clintons are done.
Trump is screwed.
Are you going to hold Trump to account for his actions at any point or are you going to vote for him no matter what he does?
1) Deflection? Yep.
2) Flagpole made a bad prediction? Yep...as of now...if cheating during election is proven, then I will be right.
3) Clintons are done. Yes, and thank goodness.
4) Trump is screwed. Yep...most assuredly. Anyone thinking otherwise has got their head in the sand. the only question is how badly is he screwed. Impeachment or having to resign? Yes. Time in prison? Not sure yet. What will charges be? Collusion with foreign state? Money laundering? Tax evasion? Conspiracy against the United States? Treason? The state of NY is already investigating his fraudulent Trump Foundation. He is criminal to the core, and there is no reason to expect that his MO changed during his campaign or since he was elected.
5) Bringing up any former US president or politician (except for perhaps Nixon, and even then only in the very specific way as to talk about removing Trump from office) is a false equivalency. Trump is so much worse that there is no comparison.
Mueller is coming. Tick, tick, tick.
4) Wanna bet? He'll be in Office the whole term and you'll have made another dumb prediction. I could easily explain why, but politics are not something that you easily grasp. Stick to the local fun runs, it'll give you the feeling of superiority that you long for.
No way Jose' FP wrote:
4) Wanna bet? He'll be in Office the whole term and you'll have made another dumb prediction. I could easily explain why, but politics are not something that you easily grasp. Stick to the local fun runs, it'll give you the feeling of superiority that you long for.
I do not bet. Betting is for losers.
You believe that a Republican Senate will save Trump, but the problem is that the evidence is going to be too strong that Trump is a bad guy and needs to be removed. Hope Hicks is now going to be interviewed too, and she has beans to spill.
He is not even a year into his presidency and we already have so much movement in this investigation. There is no way he can last 4 years. Papadopoulos admits guilt, Manafort and Gates proven to be bad guys. Sessions caught in many lies. Flynn will roll over to protect himself and his son (there is no other reason for his team to stop sharing info with the Trump team other than his cooperation with the investigation).
Partial list of those associated with Trump with ties (some very strong) to Russia:
Paul Manafort
Brian Gates
Jared Kushner
Carter Page
Jeff Sessions
Don Trump Jr.
Michael Flynn
Michael Flynn Jr.
George Papadopoulos
Hope Hicks
Rex Tillerson
Wilbur Ross
Roger Stone
Michael Caputo
Marc Kasowitz
Michael Cohen
Ivanka Trump
Felix Sater
Erik Prince (Betsy DeVos' brother)
JD Gordon
Brian Benczkowski
Emoluments clause and obstruction of justice are enough already to impeach, but Mueller wants more, and he will get it. Tick, tick, tick.
Prediction time! A blogger in Vietnam was just sent to prison for seven years for documenting an environmental disaster unleashed by an unaccountable, multi-national steel corporation. This terrible tale raises an obvious question: how long will it be before Republicans start advocating for harsh penalties for similar types of whistleblowing activities in the US? I'm guessing less than a year. The nutjobs in Wyoming have already made it illegal for citizens to collect information about the environment and report their concerns to their state or federal government. Protecting the Jub Kreeturs from any and all oversight/criticism seems like a conservative policy goal that is bound to go national sooner rather than later.
Rigged for Trump wrote:
Nixon cheated....just because that’s what Republicans do...They cheat and they get away with it because Democrats and progressives don't vote in every single election the way Republicans do.
Ummm, the DNC rigged their primary for Hillary. I'm pretty sure that's called 'cheating'. And now, the DNC is scrambling to get away from the Clinton's, so they don't look like 'cheaters'.
Rigged for Clinton wrote:
Rigged for Trump wrote:
Nixon cheated....just because that’s what Republicans do...They cheat and they get away with it because Democrats and progressives don't vote in every single election the way Republicans do.
Ummm, the DNC rigged their primary for Hillary. I'm pretty sure that's called 'cheating'. And now, the DNC is scrambling to get away from the Clinton's, so they don't look like 'cheaters'.
Unfortunately both parties cheat and have cheated. This doesn't make it right or acceptable in any way for any involved in doing it. Prosecution should be the result for any who did. Cheating with the help of a foreign government is worse, but I'm all for the max penalty for any who cheat.
Mueller is coming to get Trump. Tick, tick, tick.
The DNC was set up so Hillary maybe could get more Super Delegates but she got the nomination by straight up getting more votes.
I find it interesting that conservatives would prefer super lefty Bernie of moderate Hilllary for president.
You wanted Hillary to be the opponent. You spent years slinging mud at her.
If Bernie got the nomination he probably would have beaten Trump.
Now I never thought Trump would actually get the Republican nomination and assumed it would be Hillary vs Rubio or Jeb who either one would have beaten Bernie at the national level.
Ummm, the DNC did no such thing. The fact that Bernie did not follow the rules by telling his supporters to register as democrats so they could vote for him in the primary is HIS fault. Hillary did not break the law nor is it her duty to inform Bernie voters on how to register properly. However you GOP liars want to spin that as "cheating." You are either very stupid or corrupt.
Rigged for Clinton wrote:
Ummm, the DNC rigged their primary for Hillary. I'm pretty sure that's called 'cheating'. And now, the DNC is scrambling to get away from the Clinton's, so they don't look like 'cheaters'.
Rigged for Trump wrote:
You are either very stupid or corrupt.
Ironic...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc-rigged/index.htmlAnd, when this is your benefactor, the ends justify the means...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXqty2rkUDY
Ironically enough, this guy doesn't like Bernie. Connecting the dots yet, dodo?
Rigged for Trump wrote:
Ummm, the DNC did no such thing. The fact that Bernie did not follow the rules by telling his supporters to register as democrats so they could vote for him in the primary is HIS fault. Hillary did not break the law nor is it her duty to inform Bernie voters on how to register properly.
However you GOP liars want to spin that as "cheating." You are either very stupid or corrupt.
Rigged for Clinton wrote:
Ummm, the DNC rigged their primary for Hillary. I'm pretty sure that's called 'cheating'. And now, the DNC is scrambling to get away from the Clinton's, so they don't look like 'cheaters'.
he's correct, Hillary did break the law and is as corrupt as any politician to ever walk the planet. watch the youtube video on her lies...talk about spinning the truth, you'd fit right in with her you ignorant human being.
Betting isn't for people who know they'll lose>>>>insert yourself here Ohio man.
L L wrote:
The DNC was set up so Hillary maybe could get more Super Delegates but she got the nomination by straight up getting more votes.
I find it interesting that conservatives would prefer super lefty Bernie of moderate Hilllary for president.
You wanted Hillary to be the opponent. You spent years slinging mud at her.
If Bernie got the nomination he probably would have beaten Trump.
Now I never thought Trump would actually get the Republican nomination and assumed it would be Hillary vs Rubio or Jeb who either one would have beaten Bernie at the national level.
Many, many people are swayed HUGELY by their perception of who is going to win.
There was no "maybe" about HRC getting more Super Delegates.
So, she got more votes at least partially due, and perhaps completely due, to the fact that the DNC rigged the system for her.