Robert Young fakes run across America

Charlatans and confidence men are not a new phenomena. A lot of crazy hoaxters who come across very passionate and sincere about what they are peddling. There are some pretty great stories about breatharians, for example. Also some really terrible examples - Jim Jones. Sorry Kev, but you appear to be either in on it or one of the gullible true believers. Not sure which is worse.

Some guy starts stalking you at 2 AM in the middle of nowhere. Said guy then (of course!) dashes straight home to trash you on Letsrun, the recognized world leader in angry little minds.

Coachkev if you believe his desert run claims are very possible, I'd like to hire you as a coach. I'm looking to run a 24:30 10k and could use some of the knowledge you possess.

Daily running totals:

https://i.imgur.com/DAczr03.png

Source:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OMMV-18AwKrgkqy5dbRkPCG7Wj6ORnup3Y4iRDlIW5E/edit?usp=sharing

Heavyd84 wrote:

Guys he is only a few miles from Ferguson...this could get interesting.

The "knife wielding madman story" would be plausible here.

Looks like Rob and his crew have a well deserved rest at the Main Street diner in Saint Peters, Missouri.

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So in summary I don't think Rob has anything to complain about. I think he has been a bit naiive, everything is live on the net these days or people will ask questions. OK streaming the whole thing live might have been a stretch but doable I would say? And failing that, regular daily uploads to a mapping site like Strava is a minimal requirement.[/quote]

I agree with you and I think Rob should and could have done a lot better with the reporting. I have sent a message to his team and will let you all know the outcome.

Please stop having a go at me as i'm trying to provide you all with the information you require. I'm not a liar and have no reason to do any of this other than to support someone I believe in.

As I said before if i'm wrong i will happily apologise and admit I was deluded. But I do believe in Ron and what he is doing so i will continue to support him

Mr. Young's 5k splits from the 2015 London Marathon:

17:31, 19:00, 19:49, 21:28, 17:02, 23:08,

23:54 and 31:52. Looks like said interview occurred between 35-40k.

Half was reached in 1:22:18. The 10k between 25-35k was done in basically 47 minutes, so he was slowing down.

I could see him doing a 2:50 or so without the interview stop, but not a evenly split 2:44 or a negative split of 2:41.

That aside, he has the technology to put all this doubt about his current endeavor aside, but doesn't. He should crank out some 30-40 mile segments at sub 7:00 per mile pace to show that the past data claiming that type of pace was legit.

Missouri is the "show me" state.

As a scientist and decent runner, I'm telling you to hold off on that. Leiberman is probably really good at what he does: evolutionary biology, and measure impact force in runners with different footstrikes. Whether he knows jack about elite and sub elite running is a totally different question. Along with whether or not his measurements have any carryover to performance predictions for 5K, marathons, etc. They probably don't. Just like you have probably seen plenty of runners and been like "oh he has good form, light on his feet", but then you find out the guy runs 20min 5Ks. For all we know Rob and Kipsang have the same impact force (normalized to body weight) on their feet when running. Great, a nice light footstrike. But that is 1 out of a million factors that goes into making you a world class marathoner vs a hobbyjogger.

recognizer of broscience wrote:

KudzuRunner wrote:

Lieberman did indeed say those things about Rob Young.

It just shows how much of a moron this Lieberman guy is. It also shows how anti-scientific the form- and biomechanics field is.

That was wrongly reported earlier on this thread, and then corrected within a page or two. The alleged PRs for full and half marathon as 2:41 and 1:08 are still on his website by clicking the red/white down arrow at the top of the page. There is no documentation for either. They are major outliers for any verified race that Rob Young has run. There has yet to be found any data supporting the claim for either.

Where in the midst of his 5K splits for his 3:07 at London 2015 did this alleged 15-20 minute interview occur?

5K splits: 17:31, 19:00, 19:49, 21:28, 21:32, 23:08, 23:54, 31:52

Daily running totals:

https://i.imgur.com/DAczr03.png

Source:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OMMV-18AwKrgkqy5dbRkPCG7Wj6ORnup3Y4iRDlIW5E/edit?usp=sharing

Note the sudden decline in both speed and distance after this thread was started (7th June).

Troller of Trolls wrote:

Was the OP a troll all along?

triathleteguru wrote:

Youtube video of the RV driving by the gas station has been taken down!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39KOzjPw7gs

Now that would be genius. Create this whole thing so people start paying attention to your run. My god that would be amazing.

I'm also on ultralist and there are only a few people supporting him. The majority are asking legitimate questions because they care about the sport. The priority of some is the sport, not elevating a grifter or perhaps personally profiting from a grifter game. People should question glaring inconsistencies that should be able to be easily proven. I anticipate the next excuse will be the crew is tired, which is strange because they weren't too tired to upload photos of RY eating hamburgers, sitting in a pool, begging a free meal at roadkill cafe, seeing a person dressed as a bunny, playing frisbee golf as a crew yesterday...

Simple enough to put to rest

Complete gps upload including at a minimum cadence from begining of run to present

Video of RY running even 10 miles one day at the pace he apparently effortlessly ran for marathon or more distances every day to this point

Complete breakdown by an independent financial analyst not linked to any of the parties involved of the money donated for charities, verification of how that is used.

Phillip_Hampton wrote:

Daily running totals:

https://i.imgur.com/DAczr03.png

Source:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OMMV-18AwKrgkqy5dbRkPCG7Wj6ORnup3Y4iRDlIW5E/edit?usp=sharing

Note the sudden decline in both speed and distance after this thread was started (7th June).

As some of us predicted. For now he's going to try to run it "more seriously". PR-wise it's the best move as he can claim the heat/other issues made him throw in the towel. If he were to suddenly pull out it might look suspicious to the fanatics. However, he's underestimating the effect that dragging this out will have. He is more exposed with ever my passing minute.

I personally find it amusing that they are likely scrambling to get him to run as many miles as possible while cheating as much as possible. I do agree this is very emotionally and physically demanding. Then again, isn't he running at night when it's not that hot and doesn't he have the experience, toughness and talent to eat 5:00/pace for bfast? Or did he run out of espresso?

Another thing, various runners have supposedly come and run alongside him, have any of them uploaded their own runs?

Man Ultralist sounds like the WORST.

Film at 11:00? wrote:

Mr. Young's 5k splits from the 2015 London Marathon:

17:31, 19:00, 19:49, 21:28, 17:02, 23:08,

23:54 and 31:52. Looks like said interview occurred between 35-40k.

Half was reached in 1:22:18. The 10k between 25-35k was done in basically 47 minutes, so he was slowing down.

I could see him doing a 2:50 or so without the interview stop, but not a evenly split 2:44 or a negative split of 2:41.

Those splits should be 17'31, 19'00, 19'49, 21'28, 21'32, 23'08, 23'54, 31'52, then 9'26 for the final 2.2km section. Remember the third mile is very quick, and so the first 5k cannot count as a pb (nor the first 10km).

There is no way his 8th 5k was going to be sub 15 so I don't know why you think he would have been capable of 2:50?

The Scot wrote:

Another thing, various runners have supposedly come and run alongside him, have any of them uploaded their own runs?

Good point.

They started with the friendly "he should have shown himself and we'd have been happy to hang with him" along with threats on Facebook of legal action against him and the board (see page 2 or 3 of this thread). Then a couple days later they thought up the knife-wielding lunatic scenario. They were so traumatized by the night-stalker that they didn't mention anything about it on their blog after it happened.