This is getting serious for Moore.
They're talking about asking him to step aside.
"If these allegations are true, he must step aside," McConnell said in a statement.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/09/politics/roy-moore-sexual-encounter-alabama/index.html
accusations like these are unprovable. Moore will be elected and will be be seated in the senate.
the only way he loses is if the women of Alabama decide enough is enough and vote for the democrat.
this is what happens when political parties get weak - nuts like Moore get elected despite their history of crimes and anti Constitutional behavior.
L L wrote:
This is getting serious for Moore.
They're talking about asking him to step aside.
"If these allegations are true, he must step aside," McConnell said in a statement.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/09/politics/roy-moore-sexual-encounter-alabama/index.htmlhttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/09/roy-moore-decries-baseless-attack-as-report-sexual-contact-with-14-year-old-rocks-senate-race.html
Clicked on the FOX news story and went straight to the comments for some laughs, was not disappointed :)
eric a blair wrote:
accusations like these are unprovable. Moore will be elected and will be be seated in the senate.
the only way he loses is if the women of Alabama decide enough is enough and vote for the democrat.
this is what happens when political parties get weak - nuts like Moore get elected despite their history of crimes and anti Constitutional behavior.
The interesting thing right now is that Republican leaders are tripping over themselves saying that Moore should step down if these allegations are true.
Normally they would say that the allegations are unfounded or show some support to their candidate.
They'd rather have the Democrat than Moore in the senate.
This guy that Bannon propped up is a real turd.
I'm going to give Alabama some credit and say they may not vote him in.
He can't be replaced on the ballot. They would need to write in another Republican to get that person in.
L L wrote:
eric a blair wrote:
accusations like these are unprovable. Moore will be elected and will be be seated in the senate.
the only way he loses is if the women of Alabama decide enough is enough and vote for the democrat.
this is what happens when political parties get weak - nuts like Moore get elected despite their history of crimes and anti Constitutional behavior.
The interesting thing right now is that Republican leaders are tripping over themselves saying that Moore should step down if these allegations are true.
Normally they would say that the allegations are unfounded or show some support to their candidate.
They'd rather have the Democrat than Moore in the senate.
This guy that Bannon propped up is a real turd.
I'm going to give Alabama some credit and say they may not vote him in.
He can't be replaced on the ballot. They would need to write in another Republican to get that person in.
No. They want Moore to bow out so Luther Strange can win as a write-in candidate.
That is quite a stretch to assume they could get the majority of voters to write in Luther Strange while the opposition just has to select Doug Jones who is on the ballot.
Plus, Moore fans can still write in Roy Moore, splitting the Republican vote.
Having Moore step down basically guarantees a win for Jones.
And Mitch McConnel is fine with that.
L L wrote:
That is quite a stretch to assume they could get the majority of voters to write in Luther Strange while the opposition just has to select Doug Jones who is on the ballot.
Plus, Moore fans can still write in Roy Moore, splitting the Republican vote.
Having Moore step down basically guarantees a win for Jones.
And Mitch McConnel is fine with that.
I agree that it's a stretch, but it worked for Lisa Murkowski.
According to state law, Moore is on the ballot even if he withdraws. But if he withdraws his votes won't count (again, by state law). So if that happens, nobody would waste their vote on Moore. Strange would be the only viable Republican.
But I think he won't withdraw and Trumpers won't care. Diddling teenage girls is just fine in Trumpland.
In Trumpland, it doesn't matter what you do or what you believe or what happens in office. If you hate liberals enough then you can even commit treason and Trumpers will still love you.
a head of the Alabama GOP said he trusts putin more than he trusts the washington post
this is where we are. Insanity at the highest level of the GOP
they need to go away.
we need a rational leader of the conservatives.
eric a blair wrote:
a head of the Alabama GOP said he trusts putin more than he trusts the washington post
this is where we are. Insanity at the highest level of the GOP
they need to go away.
we need a rational leader of the conservatives.
The root cause of this is the acceptance and reinforcement of lying by the electorate. Lying conservative (and in fewer cases liberal) politicians are the effect not the cause. The voting population has reinforced and shaped political lying to the extremes that we see now.
We never wanted a truthful candidate.
We say we do, but we don't.
The question is whether the Republican establishment would rather have Democrat Jones elected than Moore if they can't have Strange in there.
To me, it seems like that is their preference.
Moore is pretty awful and would be a distraction.
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
Roy Moore has been outed as a molester of underage girls. Breitbart, which has been the source of so much outrage regarding all things Weinstein, has already decided that these allegations are undoubtedly false and, to the extent they might be true, that there is nothing wrong with adult men hitting on and kissing underage girls as long as they are "romantic" about it.
Roy Moore has also been running away from debating Doug Jones like a complete coward, and his son was just arrested for the 9th time. Did I mention he thinks homosexuality should be illegal? This is the guy Bannon has chosen to spearhead the alt-right's takeover of the GOP establishment. He's a real fvcking mastermind, alright.
What does Steve Bannon have to do with this?
not following along wrote:
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
Roy Moore has been outed as a molester of underage girls. Breitbart, which has been the source of so much outrage regarding all things Weinstein, has already decided that these allegations are undoubtedly false and, to the extent they might be true, that there is nothing wrong with adult men hitting on and kissing underage girls as long as they are "romantic" about it.
Roy Moore has also been running away from debating Doug Jones like a complete coward, and his son was just arrested for the 9th time. Did I mention he thinks homosexuality should be illegal? This is the guy Bannon has chosen to spearhead the alt-right's takeover of the GOP establishment. He's a real fvcking mastermind, alright.
What does Steve Bannon have to do with this?
In the primary election, Steve Bannon backed Roy Moore, while Trump backed Luther Strange.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MpR18lCnaQnot following along wrote:
What does Steve Bannon have to do with this?
"One of the finest men in this country, Judge Roy Moore"
Roy Moore's Wikipedia page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore
state judge best known for being twice elected to and twice removed from the Alabama Supreme Court
Moore has earned significant national attention and controversy over his strongly anti-homosexual, anti-Muslim, and far-right[1][2] views, his belief that Christianity should order public policy,[3][4], as well as his past ties to neo-Confederates and white nationalist groups.
Moore was also a leading voice in the anti-Obama birther movement
Moore was elected to the position of Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court in 2001, but was removed from his position in November 2003 by the Alabama Court of the Judiciary for refusing to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments commissioned by him from the Alabama Judicial Building, despite orders to do so by a federal court
Moore was again elected Chief Justice in 2013, but was suspended in May 2016, for directing probate judges to continue to enforce the state's ban on same-sex marriage despite the fact that this had been deemed unconstitutional
Between 2007 and 2012, Moore collected $1 million in undisclosed payments to himself from the Foundation for Moral Law, which he had founded in 2002 as a non-profit organization. This amount was more than the revenue the foundation reported in its public tax filings. The foundation also paid for an assortment of fringe benefits and perks for Moore, and supported Moore's political ambitions.[18] A number of charity and tax law experts have said that the foundation's activities "raised questions about compliance with IRS rules, including prohibitions on the use of a charity for the private benefit or enrichment of an individual."
And of course now the allegations of sexual misconduct with a 14 year old girl while he was in his 30s.
All of that, and I agree with the posters that say that Alabama voters will still probably elect him to the US Senate next month.
Votes a year after a president has been elected and even mid-term elections don't tell the tale of what will happen for that president when the next presidential election comes around (see Bill Clinton and 1994 midterms as prime example).
So, I am not overly excited about Democrats picking up lots of seats nationwide. What we have though is a very uncommon President, so all norms are thrown out the window with him.
He will not make it to the ticket for 2020. In less than one year, Mueller has three indictments, and more are assuredly coming.
Flagpole wrote:
Votes a year after a president has been elected and even mid-term elections don't tell the tale of what will happen for that president when the next presidential election comes around (see Bill Clinton and 1994 midterms as prime example).
So, I am not overly excited about Democrats picking up lots of seats nationwide. What we have though is a very uncommon President, so all norms are thrown out the window with him.
He will not make it to the ticket for 2020. In less than one year, Mueller has three indictments, and more are assuredly coming.
Silliest. Poster. Ever. You so silly. All the time, too.
Three indictments- Two of which (the two that were supposed to be HUGE) had nothing to do with any activity after 2014, and one of which was a low level guy lying about the timing of a discussion with Russia. Wow.
This is my favorite part of the indictments charade from last week... this butthurt witchhunt is going to come back to bite the Dems... BIGLY...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-swirl-of-controversy-democratic-power-lobbyist-podesta-steps-down/2017/10/30/14c4bb0a-bd97-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.6549ef036c9aAlabama is a redneck know nothing state.
Any report of criminal behavior will mindlessly be dismissed as fake news (thank you Donald for teach them an easy out).
EPlC Flagpole wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Votes a year after a president has been elected and even mid-term elections don't tell the tale of what will happen for that president when the next presidential election comes around (see Bill Clinton and 1994 midterms as prime example).
So, I am not overly excited about Democrats picking up lots of seats nationwide. What we have though is a very uncommon President, so all norms are thrown out the window with him.
He will not make it to the ticket for 2020. In less than one year, Mueller has three indictments, and more are assuredly coming.
Silliest. Poster. Ever. You so silly. All the time, too.
Three indictments- Two of which (the two that were supposed to be HUGE) had nothing to do with any activity after 2014, and one of which was a low level guy lying about the timing of a discussion with Russia. Wow.
This is my favorite part of the indictments charade from last week... this butthurt witchhunt is going to come back to bite the Dems... BIGLY...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-swirl-of-controversy-democratic-power-lobbyist-podesta-steps-down/2017/10/30/14c4bb0a-bd97-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.6549ef036c9a
1) Not silly at all. Indictments like this often begin with the smaller fish (though Manafort is big enough). Now that Flynn and his son are next in line, this continues to be bad news for Trump. Flynn will likely strike a deal to keep his son out of prison or get a lesser sentence for him. This deal has a very good chance of including incriminating evidence on Trump.
2) Manafort, Gates, and Papa... are more significant than you wish to believe. Manafort and Gates obviously are law breakers, and they will go to prison. When Manafort is your campaign chairman, at a minimum that doesn't look good and shows amateurism in Trump that he would pick him. At a maximum, if he got Trump's ear even one time about Russia, that spells the end for Trump. You wish that Papa... wasn't important. He was one of the ones on his foreign policy advisory committee or whatever it was called. His presence and talking points are what has made Congress want to talk to Jeff Sessions again. And, he lied to the FBI. Just to protect himself? Others? Sarah Huckabee Sanders likes to keep calling him a "volunteer", but many are volunteers in a major campaign like that. Manafort was a volunteer too.
3) Hey, if this investigation brings up Democrats who need to be charged too, then great. Country and what is right over Party any day. I could not care less if a Democrat, even if it's Hillary, gets in trouble because of this investigation. For me, this is not about punishing a Republican President. I would be more than fine with a reasonable Republican as President. Trump though is inept to the nth degree and dangerous. We already know that Russia interfered with the election, but if Trump was involved in any way or complicit, then that is treasonous and he needs to be removed from office. In my mind, Trump isn't a Republican anyway. He spent most of his adult life as a Democrat. His idiocy "Trumps" any party affiliation.
Trump will not make it to the end of his first term. He has alienated too many of his supporters, and this investigation will bring him down. Impeachment or resignation is guaranteed.
everything trump touches dies
Alabama tied up.
Just one poll, but still.
Local Alabama news
http://www.al.com/business/index.ssf/2017/11/in_roy_moores_hometown_skeptic.html#incart_river_index
'Wanda Jackson of Snead, out shopping, said she did not think Moore was guilty of the allegations.
"I think the girls were paid to say that," she said. "For this to come out right before the election'
This is what sometimes happens when it's your candidate that is accused of something.
Exactly who would have paid these girls to say that?
The Washington Post?
How does that transaction work?
I think the reason it has come out now and not in all of those other times was because this is the first time Roy Moore has had the national spotlight on him as opposed to the Alabama spotlight.
Much brighter light on him now.