Sadly the thread has run it's course. There is a book and the Reddit/Strange groups make it easier to see people's successes.
People seem to want to constantly troll and I feel the thread reached a leak around the time of the 2025 London Marathon and has become a parody of itself
Sadly the thread has run it's course. There is a book and the Reddit/Strange groups make it easier to see people's successes.
People seem to want to constantly troll and I feel the thread reached a leak around the time of the 2025 London Marathon and has become a parody of itself
To be fair ... Sirpoc's first post in this thread is post #8, which is immediately followed by post #9 praising the DANCAN method by JS :D
Sadly the thread has run it's course. There is a book and the Reddit/Strange groups make it easier to see people's successes.
People seem to want to constantly troll and I feel the thread reached a leak around the time of the 2025 London Marathon and has become a parody of itself
Tbf, this is still the place where you get the good information. You just have to wade through guys like RAC or his many handles a bit more. Reddit I'm not so sure about, tends to be full of people who have done a few months of this type of training and want to add on another 2 hours a week immediately and 12x400 repeats because they are an 18 minute runner and lack speed.
To be fair ... Sirpoc's first post in this thread is post #8, which is immediately followed by post #9 praising the DANCAN method by JS :D
JS has been a troll from day one. Personally I thought lexel was a good troll but he even started getting upvotes when he stopped taking life too seriously. The Coggan himself was good value. RAC and his other copycats are very boring.
Gone are the funny trolls, like the guy who made fan fiction about Hard2find and sirpoc running away together for a gay wedding and living on an island together. For anyone late to the thread, weird but true.
Where is Hard2find by the way? And Jiggymeister. Shirtboy appears to argue with everyone for now but these characters are mainstays of the story of how the thread developed early.
If we didn't have this thread I don't think a lot of us would have changed our ways. My training would still be boom or bust, or thinking I should copy Jakob on my 5-6 hours a week.
In the real world, even a ten year old Garmin with a completely outdated GPS chip is more consistent in measuring distances per run across a variety of shoes and paces than a Stryd with a constant calibration factor..
In the real world, even a ten year old Garmin with a completely outdated GPS chip is more consistent in measuring distances per run across a variety of shoes and paces than a Stryd with a constant calibration factor..
User error.
The User is at error for using the useless device.
In the real world, even a ten year old Garmin with a completely outdated GPS chip is more consistent in measuring distances per run across a variety of shoes and paces than a Stryd with a constant calibration factor..
User error.
How can it be when this is what Stryd themselves recommends? In fact, Stryd employees are very condescending whenever someone on their subreddit talks about calibration. That user is usually never heard from again as he has been banned.
Does Copeland/folks in this thread that are following NSM think the Bakken calculator that is online is accurate to the paces that NSM would recommend? They seem just a touch slow to me. 400m repeats would be at slower than 10K pace, and considerably so. More like HM pace. I have always seen Jakob's more like 8K/10K pace, which is pretty doable without much strain, IMO. Thoughts?
Well , not a musical (even if I sing quite well.)....but I think I will visit Oslo Bislett Games this time. Many years ago since I watched the Games at place and it's not so far from my town in Sweden by train to Oslo. 🖐🧙♂️🖐
i will say, if a group of us are ever in Stockholm for a Diamond league, we would 100% want to get sideways on your finest lagers watching A Almgren break the WR in the 5000
You are a troll and I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet. You deliberately post provocative replies to the thread with the intent of derailing the conversation. This thread is about the benefits of Norwegian threshold training for hobby joggers, and you are consistently argumentative and provocative. Your primary goal has clearly been to elicit emotional reactions, feeding into the very chaos you create.
Well of course if you move the sensor and don't recalibrate the distance will be off. That's the very definition of "user error", equivalent to not setting the zero offset of a bicycle power metre then blaming it when the data are wrong.
Are you really comparing a GPS device on a plane with a GPS on a watch constrained by antenna, size and power usage?
Yes, I am. A basic understanding of GPS is required to grasp the comparison. Worst case scenario, ground based gps units are easily capable of 3 meter accuracy without access to GBAS or WAAS. In dense urban areas or trails with a heavy tree canopy, that sometimes degrades to 15 meters before a useable signal might be lost. But that is rare. So once again, you are running intervals with a notable allowance in running pace to stay inside the "sweet spot." Do you honestly believe that accuracy within 15 meters isn't more than enough accuracy?
exactly
a newer gps watch is amazingly close to a certified course especially with limited canopy cover
Stryd is accurate out of the box, don't calibrate it!
But, also, if you do calibrate it, make sure you measure the track yourself a dozen times first, always wear the same shoes and put the Stryd on the same laces, don't run in windy conditions, or when it's raining, or during a full moon, stay at the center of your lane by the inch, and rememember the first rule of calibration: Never talk about calibration on the Stryd subreddit.
Does Copeland/folks in this thread that are following NSM think the Bakken calculator that is online is accurate to the paces that NSM would recommend? They seem just a touch slow to me. 400m repeats would be at slower than 10K pace, and considerably so. More like HM pace. I have always seen Jakob's more like 8K/10K pace, which is pretty doable without much strain, IMO. Thoughts?
IMO Bakken is thinking in the framework of playing safe and doubles, then giving that as reps even if you want to run singles. Most of those paces for myself and a lot of people I have data on are ~lt1/vt1.
Nothing wrong with that, but the beauty of NSM and singles is you are only running one workout that day so sirpoc has deliberately gone quite a way past the upper Lt1/vt1 (yes I know they are in theory slightly different) and pushed up to somewhere between midway and just below lt2 (cycling sweetspot). That is probably why it works also so well, you are getting a hell of a lot of stimulus for your money. ie sirpoc basically knew sweetspot worked in cycling so shot for the same range in running through trial and error. I still don't think people sometimes realise how unique this is, the whole plan is effectively devised from another sport. I'm not sure anyone has really done that before and gained as much traction.
Not that there is anything wrong with playing it safe btw and if I was to double then Bakken's calculator IMO would be useful for the morning session, assuming I didn't want to or couldn't test lactate. Although it must be mentioned that providing a pace anchor or HR guardrail for Lt1 work like we have in nsm, will prove to be very difficult as Lt1 is such a vast spread across athletes.
Stryd is accurate out of the box, don't calibrate it!
But, also, if you do calibrate it, make sure you measure the track yourself a dozen times first, always wear the same shoes and put the Stryd on the same laces, don't run in windy conditions, or when it's raining, or during a full moon, stay at the center of your lane by the inch, and rememember the first rule of calibration: Never talk about calibration on the Stryd subreddit.
I thought I would go back to my Stryd last week given the chat here and try and make it work better. Obviously, considering as I mentioned above and sirpoc's background, it could be incredibly useful to have power.
Anyway, off to Reddit I go, posted a long essay - shame on me - banned from the Reddit.
Damn, just as I was going to pay Steve Palladino $700 for 10 weeks of power "coaching". What a shame!