One thing that is amazing to me is how low Rudy Giuliani has fallen.
When he was a NYC prosecutor he made a major dent in mafia activity by bringing so many of the thugs to justice. After 9/11, when he was the NYC mayor, he became somewhat of a quasi-national hero with how he handled that crisis. Now he is nothing more than a drunken doddering fool that gleefully debases himself at the altar of Trump. Sad, really…
Trump has no defenses so he is just testing out new ones in the media. Not only is this incredibly stupid legally, it is also what a 11 year old child does when he gets busted.
He hasn't been charged with anything in connection with these documents. He is being investigated. Don't be such a hysterical ninny.
And this is not any component of a 'big lie'. Trump made this mess by being, at best, very sloppy and, as per usual, casual about the law. Like most Trump messes, it his of his own making.
The former deputy national security adviser K.T. McFarland provides analysis of the growing fallout over the FBI’s raid of former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home on ‘Fox & Friends Weekend.’
One thing that is amazing to me is how low Rudy Giuliani has fallen.
When he was a NYC prosecutor he made a major dent in mafia activity by bringing so many of the thugs to justice. After 9/11, when he was the NYC mayor, he became somewhat of a quasi-national hero with how he handled that crisis. Now he is nothing more than a drunken doddering fool that gleefully debases himself at the altar of Trump. Sad, really…
Everyone wonders who it was who tipped off the FBI that Trump had more documents of interest at Mar a Lago. I wonder if Trump himself arranged the tip off in the hope that a raid would drum up support for him from his base.
That support is happening to some extent. But if so, I think he miscalculated as to just how much trouble this would get him into. So it seems, it is pretty serious trouble.
Everyone wonders who it was who tipped off the FBI that Trump had more documents of interest at Mar a Lago. I wonder if Trump himself arranged the tip off in the hope that a raid would drum up support for him from his base.
That support is happening to some extent. But if so, I think he miscalculated as to just how much trouble this would get him into. So it seems, it is pretty serious trouble.
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I'm telling you - this whole thing fits into his play book. And he is one who hates not being in the spotlight, right?
Remember, this is a man who wanted to (and probably still does), overthrow due process and rule-of-law.
You need to reread my previous post until you understand it.
All your questions have already been answered.
Wise master, you said I should continue asking questions. So please enlighten me.
Garland the Adversary has said he will pursue justice without fear or favor. And it looks like they found enough evidence to indict our Orange Buddha.
Why do you think there will be no charges?
Garland saying he will pursue justice without fear or favor, and reality, are different things. A trial over the classified documents will be extremely divisive and it will be hard to get a conviction.
I would rather he pursue charges for 1/6 as the evidence against Trump is rock solid. Even if there is a 5th Avenue juror that causes a mistrial , the combination of evidence presented and Trump not testifying, will be damning
Everyone wonders who it was who tipped off the FBI that Trump had more documents of interest at Mar a Lago. I wonder if Trump himself arranged the tip off in the hope that a raid would drum up support for him from his base.
That support is happening to some extent. But if so, I think he miscalculated as to just how much trouble this would get him into. So it seems, it is pretty serious trouble.
Nah. I think Trump adored having those documents. He didn't want the feds to take them. There are even reports that he used to show off some of the documents to his guests.
So it could have been any number of people who tipped off the feds.
I think he took the documents for three reasons: 1. It made him feel important to hold onto them. Almost like he was still president. 2. He knew they were incredibly valuable and could be sold some day. 3. Like all dumb criminals, he thought he could get away with it.
Wise master, you said I should continue asking questions. So please enlighten me.
Garland the Adversary has said he will pursue justice without fear or favor. And it looks like they found enough evidence to indict our Orange Buddha.
Why do you think there will be no charges?
Garland saying he will pursue justice without fear or favor, and reality, are different things. A trial over the classified documents will be extremely divisive and it will be hard to get a conviction.
I would rather he pursue charges for 1/6 as the evidence against Trump is rock solid. Even if there is a 5th Avenue juror that causes a mistrial , the combination of evidence presented and Trump not testifying, will be damning
You think the 1/6 case is easier to prove than the documents case?
I would beg to differ. The documents case is as close to a slam dunk as Garland will ever get.
But I expect indictments in both cases. So we will both get our wish.
Everyone wonders who it was who tipped off the FBI that Trump had more documents of interest at Mar a Lago. I wonder if Trump himself arranged the tip off in the hope that a raid would drum up support for him from his base.
That support is happening to some extent. But if so, I think he miscalculated as to just how much trouble this would get him into. So it seems, it is pretty serious trouble.
Nah. I think Trump adored having those documents. He didn't want the feds to take them. There are even reports that he used to show off some of the documents to his guests.
So it could have been any number of people who tipped off the feds.
I think he took the documents for three reasons: 1. It made him feel important to hold onto them. Almost like he was still president. 2. He knew they were incredibly valuable and could be sold some day. 3. Like all dumb criminals, he thought he could get away with it.
But Trump already gave a box load to the FBI previously, right? He probably knew that it was only a matter of time until the FBI pressed their case to get all of it, and he knew the case against him was ongoing.
So, disappointed that the first time he forked over docs got him so little support, he goes into typical Trump drama-mode and has an anonymous informant tip-off the FBI in a fashion that would portray him as the antigovernmental candidate he needs to be in the eyes of his supporters.
Garland saying he will pursue justice without fear or favor, and reality, are different things. A trial over the classified documents will be extremely divisive and it will be hard to get a conviction.
I would rather he pursue charges for 1/6 as the evidence against Trump is rock solid. Even if there is a 5th Avenue juror that causes a mistrial , the combination of evidence presented and Trump not testifying, will be damning
You think the 1/6 case is easier to prove than the documents case?
I would beg to differ. The documents case is as close to a slam dunk as Garland will ever get.
But I expect indictments in both cases. So we will both get our wish.
I’m hoping they can run concurrently.
Trump’s actions on 1/6 are documented by his tweets and things he said during speech. A POTUS going silent during an attack on the U.S. Capitol is indefensible. Trump currently has a team of attorneys preparing a defense for 1/6 but it’s like trying pull a rabbit out of a hat.
Nah. I think Trump adored having those documents. He didn't want the feds to take them. There are even reports that he used to show off some of the documents to his guests.
So it could have been any number of people who tipped off the feds.
I think he took the documents for three reasons: 1. It made him feel important to hold onto them. Almost like he was still president. 2. He knew they were incredibly valuable and could be sold some day. 3. Like all dumb criminals, he thought he could get away with it.
But Trump already gave a box load to the FBI previously, right? He probably knew that it was only a matter of time until the FBI pressed their case to get all of it, and he knew the case against him was ongoing.
So, disappointed that the first time he forked over docs got him so little support, he goes into typical Trump drama-mode and has an anonymous informant tip-off the FBI in a fashion that would portray him as the antigovernmental candidate he needs to be in the eyes of his supporters.
Meh, it’s just dull now.
Mildly amusing the first time, new material joker.
But Trump already gave a box load to the FBI previously, right? He probably knew that it was only a matter of time until the FBI pressed their case to get all of it, and he knew the case against him was ongoing.
So, disappointed that the first time he forked over docs got him so little support, he goes into typical Trump drama-mode and has an anonymous informant tip-off the FBI in a fashion that would portray him as the antigovernmental candidate he needs to be in the eyes of his supporters.
Meh, it’s just dull now.
Mildly amusing the first time, new material joker.
Okay, found this in today's NY Times, which suggests that it may have been one of Trump's aides who blew the whistle:
"Over recent months, investigators were in contact with roughly a half-dozen of Mr. Trump’s current aides who had knowledge of how the documents were handled, two people briefed on the approaches said. At least one witness provided the investigators with information that led them to want to further press Mr. Trump for material, according to a person familiar with the inquiry."
You think the 1/6 case is easier to prove than the documents case?
I would beg to differ. The documents case is as close to a slam dunk as Garland will ever get.
But I expect indictments in both cases. So we will both get our wish.
I’m hoping they can run concurrently.
Trump’s actions on 1/6 are documented by his tweets and things he said during speech. A POTUS going silent during an attack on the U.S. Capitol is indefensible. Trump currently has a team of attorneys preparing a defense for 1/6 but it’s like trying pull a rabbit out of a hat.
Indefensible is not synonymous with criminal. The classified information is a legally simple case. The fake electors could be very strong. Trying to prosecute a president for inaction is going to be very dicey.
Now we know why it took so long to raid the trumps. Because the trumps signed a legal document saying all the classified documents had been returned. Of course trump was lying again about that and still had more.
sure would be nice if ‘conservatives’ didn’t lie so much. but nah.
nyt;
At least one lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump signed a written statement in June asserting that all material marked as classified and held in boxes in a storage area at Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and club had been returned to the government, four people with knowledge of the document said. The written declaration was made after a visit on June 3 to Mar-a-Lago by Jay I. Bratt, the top counterintelligence official in the Justice Department’s national security division.
The existence of the signed declaration, which has not previously been reported, is a possible indication that Mr. Trump or his team were not fully forthcoming with federal investigators about the material. And it could help explain why a potential violation of a criminal statute related to obstruction was cited by the department as one basis for seeking the search warrant used to carry out the daylong search of the former president’s home on Monday, an extraordinary step that generated political shock waves.
Now we know why it took so long to raid the trumps. Because the trumps signed a legal document saying all the classified documents had been returned. Of course trump was lying again about that and still had more.
sure would be nice if ‘conservatives’ didn’t lie so much. but nah.
nyt;
At least one lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump signed a written statement in June asserting that all material marked as classified and held in boxes in a storage area at Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and club had been returned to the government, four people with knowledge of the document said. The written declaration was made after a visit on June 3 to Mar-a-Lago by Jay I. Bratt, the top counterintelligence official in the Justice Department’s national security division.
The existence of the signed declaration, which has not previously been reported, is a possible indication that Mr. Trump or his team were not fully forthcoming with federal investigators about the material. And it could help explain why a potential violation of a criminal statute related to obstruction was cited by the department as one basis for seeking the search warrant used to carry out the daylong search of the former president’s home on Monday, an extraordinary step that generated political shock waves.
Some of the Trump supporters on this board still believe that Trump is playing 3 dimensional chess while others are playing checkers. I know it is hard to believe but Q-Anon and others have ingrained it deeply. It is revealed in beliefs like Trump has the FBI right where he wants them.
Trump’s actions on 1/6 are documented by his tweets and things he said during speech. A POTUS going silent during an attack on the U.S. Capitol is indefensible. Trump currently has a team of attorneys preparing a defense for 1/6 but it’s like trying pull a rabbit out of a hat.
Indefensible is not synonymous with criminal. The classified information is a legally simple case. The fake electors could be very strong. Trying to prosecute a president for inaction is going to be very dicey.
When it comes to the classified documents case, anything short of a conviction will be a win for Trump.
Trump took action against the election results beginning from the night of the election all the way through to his 1/6 rally speech which fired up his supporters. There were constant tweets about different types of fraudulent votes that were baseless and there were multiple calls to state legislators made by Trump to change the election results including a recorded one where he asked the Georgia SOS to commit election fraud.
The evidence for 1/6 is overwhelming and a trial will destroy Trump whether a conviction is obtained or not. Trump not testifying will only make it worse.
Trump’s actions on 1/6 are documented by his tweets and things he said during speech. A POTUS going silent during an attack on the U.S. Capitol is indefensible. Trump currently has a team of attorneys preparing a defense for 1/6 but it’s like trying pull a rabbit out of a hat.
I'm with you re 1/6 -- indefensible high crime. But does Trump really have a 'team of attorneys' working on a defense? They don't have much to work with. And would it be the same team of delusional/grifting liars who promoted his Krakens and big lies? Clown show. All he has is more lies to try to incite violence from poor suckers. He thinks he is too big to be prosecuted.
