Well, I wasn't the first one took up here what Jakob told in his new interview and I couldn't resist the opportunity, LoL . 😂
Well, I can understand it's hard for you guys to hear one of the world's best runners tell what I have told at my posts here, well, what I have told all my years at LRC. 🤔😉🧙♂️
the wizard is coming on, mates!
DANCAN the Musical coming to Oslo in June — get your tickets now!
Ahaha! Funny ..... 😄
Well , not a musical (even if I sing quite well.)....but I think I will visit Oslo Bislett Games this time. Many years ago since I watched the Games at place and it's not so far from my town in Sweden by train to Oslo. 🖐🧙♂️🖐
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Aren’t you supposed to be in your own thread and not pollute this one?
Well, I wasn't the first one took up here what Jakob told in his new interview and I couldn't resist the opportunity, LoL . 😂
Well, I can understand it's hard for you guys to hear one of the world's best runners tell what I have told at my posts here, well, what I have told all my years at LRC. 🤔😉🧙♂️
no one cares what Jakob ‘thinks’ about a system he didn’t create and a population he is not concerned about improving
he didn’t come up with this system, he inherited it.
let me know when Henrik has a comment — much more relevant to a mature philosophy on training than a 3rd in a row legacy project
the youngest kid is always the most privileged — think about anyone in your personal life and youll 100% agree
DANCAN the Musical coming to Oslo in June — get your tickets now!
Ahaha! Funny ..... 😄
Well , not a musical (even if I sing quite well.)....but I think I will visit Oslo Bislett Games this time. Many years ago since I watched the Games at place and it's not so far from my town in Sweden by train to Oslo. 🖐🧙♂️🖐
i will say, if a group of us are ever in Stockholm for a Diamond league, we would 100% want to get sideways on your finest lagers watching A Almgren break the WR in the 5000
Well , not a musical (even if I sing quite well.)....but I think I will visit Oslo Bislett Games this time. Many years ago since I watched the Games at place and it's not so far from my town in Sweden by train to Oslo. 🖐🧙♂️🖐
i will say, if a group of us are ever in Stockholm for a Diamond league, we would 100% want to get sideways on your finest lagers watching A Almgren break the WR in the 5000
Well, I wasn't the first one took up here what Jakob told in his new interview and I couldn't resist the opportunity, LoL . 😂
Well, I can understand it's hard for you guys to hear one of the world's best runners tell what I have told at my posts here, well, what I have told all my years at LRC. 🤔😉🧙♂️
no one cares what Jakob ‘thinks’ about a system he didn’t create and a population he is not concerned about improving
he didn’t come up with this system, he inherited it.
let me know when Henrik has a comment — much more relevant to a mature philosophy on training than a 3rd in a row legacy project
the youngest kid is always the most privileged — think about anyone in your personal life and youll 100% agree
Well, Jakob is not the youngest kido , he has a younger sister. By the way I don't think the interview with Jakob mentioned something about NSM ? He was just asked to give an advice of best training on 70- 100 km per week I think? 🧙♂️
no one cares what Jakob ‘thinks’ about a system he didn’t create and a population he is not concerned about improving
he didn’t come up with this system, he inherited it.
let me know when Henrik has a comment — much more relevant to a mature philosophy on training than a 3rd in a row legacy project
the youngest kid is always the most privileged — think about anyone in your personal life and youll 100% agree
Well, Jakob is not the youngest kido , he has a younger sister. By the way I don't think the interview with Jakob mentioned something about NSM ? He was just asked to give an advice of best training on 70- 100 km per week I think? 🧙♂️
yeah im aware he has a sister
and her relevance to high level sport is what exactly?
fine whatever he was asked. the point is i want to know WHAT he is doing not WHY he thinks hes doing it. That’s kind of irrelevant to me
Well, Jakob is not the youngest kido , he has a younger sister. By the way I don't think the interview with Jakob mentioned something about NSM ? He was just asked to give an advice of best training on 70- 100 km per week I think? 🧙♂️
yeah im aware he has a sister
and her relevance to high level sport is what exactly?
fine whatever he was asked. the point is i want to know WHAT he is doing not WHY he thinks hes doing it. That’s kind of irrelevant to me
It looks like we both have to watch that instagram reel again. He was just asked about advice how to best train for 70- 100km per week? I'm sure after so many years he both knows WHAT he is doing and WHY he is doing it. 🤔🧙♂️
and her relevance to high level sport is what exactly?
fine whatever he was asked. the point is i want to know WHAT he is doing not WHY he thinks hes doing it. That’s kind of irrelevant to me
It looks like we both have to watch that instagram reel again. He was just asked about advice how to best train for 70- 100km per week? I'm sure after so many years he both knows WHAT he is doing and WHY he is doing it. 🤔🧙♂️
if its Coros or Nike asking you might get an answer that’s not completely flippant
but to ‘runnersnerd’ it’s going to be flippant because there’s really nothing in it for him to give up anything meaningful
where are you living that stryd is more accurate for pace and distance than a good gps watch?
Planet Earth?
GPS can't even measure distance accurately, much less pace. That's why you can't rely on GOS measurements when doing aero testing on the bike.
Distance and pace determined using a Stryd are equivalent to distance and speed using a classic bike computer: both are a function of distance per "movement" (stride length or wheel circumference) times the number of such movements per unit time.
In both cases you also have to carefully calibrate the distance per movement to get accurate results. With Stryd, this means running a known distance, whereas with a bike computer, it requires measuring the actual rollout.
where are you living that stryd is more accurate for pace and distance than a good gps watch?
Planet Earth?
GPS can't even measure distance accurately, much less pace. That's why you can't rely on GOS measurements when doing aero testing on the bike.
Distance and pace determined using a Stryd are equivalent to distance and speed using a classic bike computer: both are a function of distance per "movement" (stride length or wheel circumference) times the number of such movements per unit time.
In both cases you also have to carefully calibrate the distance per movement to get accurate results. With Stryd, this means running a known distance, whereas with a bike computer, it requires measuring the actual rollout.
you really have some of the dumbest comments on here
go wheel out a known loop and then run it with a modern gps watch
I did find this, James handled the situation better than Steve did. WTF
FWIW, I’m not associated with anyone paid by anyone, and never will as well! The skin in the game, to which you refer, is my experience with Stryd (backed by scientific validation) that makes it clearly the best tool for prescribing and monitoring training intensities. Superior to everything that you have tried and promote in your book. That’s my skin in the game.
Steve is a clown. If you tell him Stryd doesn't work, he blocks you. I've tried to have this conversation with him. He will tell you it's user error, which as others have pointed out, is ridiculous, you can't have user error in a power meter. It should just work when you connect it. If you are accepting it could have user error, then it's just a foot pod that's branded cleverly with a few algorithms that may or may not work given the situation of each user in isolation.
Many people would love to make it work accross a wider range of folks, but when you have guys like Steve gaslighting everyone, unfortunately we are never going to make progress on what could be a useful tool to work alongside other metrics. Hills and wind. When you need or want it, the idea of running power falls apart as a usable piece of data for me and I know of many others.
He's one of the strangest men on the internet, for real. Toxic man who lives in an echo chamber where he is like the Reddit Stryd crowd who weirdly will block you or throw you out of the group should you dare to question something that doesn't make sense. It means a lot of the people who have an interest in making it better just dump it in a drawer and give up because of the push back.
He'd never come somewhere like here and have a normal debate and accept the tons of people who have used Stryd, but understand it's limitations and have a normal debate with them on what could be worked on in the future.
The fact people actually buy his cut and paste plans off him is a travesty. He's hurt because, again, he is someone who is totally over complicating things for his own gain. He wants you to buy into his seemingly complicated plans etc (that are really just cut and paste jobs), yet here is a book for the price of a few beers and it'll get you through years until you need to worry about your next move.
He's like a more polished version of JS as a conman.
The one thing NSM has done is stripped smart and effective training with intensity control down to the bare basics and honestly helped expose quite a few of the chancers and charlatans out there. Obviously the other is that it is genuinely helping a demographic of runners (ie most of us in the middle) who have been overlooked in what is useful for us in a long time.
I will be honest and I did have a stryd pod (someone gave it to me when they sold me my Fenix 5S in 2021) but I could never get it to stay connected to my shoe. And James has brought up a good point about the wind. It just seems like a good idea in theory but in real-world usage a bit too fragile/variable-prone to be consistent. I'll stick with NSM and consistency...
The Norwegian book is a very nicely done hardcover book in full color that is aimed at regular folks. It has three section one for beginner containing a couch to 5k plan. Then you have an intermediate section, which basically is NSM and finally it has an advanced section with your double threshold sessions and periodization. It finishes with a general advice section on motivation, injury prevention etc.
Great production values and there is no doubt that an editor was involved.
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The English version has a lot of overlap as far as I know, but the basic and beginner stuff has been removed and more nerdy stuff has been added.
It's an print on demand Amazon book and from based on the reviews of the book Bakken himself might have been the translator and editor ??
It's aimed at people who consider themselves somewhat of a runner themselves and in order to attract more of that crowd it comes with a foreword by our old friend Steve Magness.
The English version is also more aimed at coaches and sport scientists, specially the later chapters. And it's less of an "how-to" book compared to the Norwegian version. According to one podcast (don't remember which though) he had someone helping him with that version of the book as well.
BTW, I think Chapter 14 "Double Threshold Going Deeper" was particularly great. It would probably be interesting to most NSA runners who want to know more, regardless of the name of that chapter. Most things there applies in some way to singles as well, such as the load equation and why Vo2max doesn't matter much for endurance development if it's reasonably high already.
I have read the sirpoc book but will pick up the Bakken English version next. Hopefully, he will come out with an English "how to" follow-on book.
steve is a clown, but his marathon plans are excellent. expensive at $75, but a one-time purchase i own for life. screw his nsm plans though. he should have adapted nsm to power for free for his fb group.
for 16 weeks, his marathon plan is:
m: easy tu: threshold w: easy th: threshold f: easy sa: lt1 long with mp finish su: rest
his threshold interval intensities rotate between hmp (1/cycle), 15k (2/cycle), 10k (2/cycle), 5k (1/cycle). every fourth week, you test to check in on your cp, either a 3'/12' test, 20' tt, or 5k race.
between marathon blocks, i am running nsm. during a marathon block, i am executing his plan. the load increases from nsm (7h/wk) while working through the plan (6h/wk to 9h/wk). but i never feel cooked, have not been injured, and it feels like a natural extension of nsm.
It sounds like he refines sirpoc's special block a little bit more, while keeping E-T-E-T-E in place during the workweek. At least it was just a one-time plan but I think most could kinda modify the baseline vanilla one using sirpoc's principles regardless...
Even still, $75 for that versus $145 for Track Club Babe Level 2 and $710 for Palladino's multi-week program? That's still a steal.
where are you living that stryd is more accurate for pace and distance than a good gps watch?
Planet Earth?
GPS can't even measure distance accurately, much less pace. That's why you can't rely on GOS measurements when doing aero testing on the bike.
Distance and pace determined using a Stryd are equivalent to distance and speed using a classic bike computer: both are a function of distance per "movement" (stride length or wheel circumference) times the number of such movements per unit time.
In both cases you also have to carefully calibrate the distance per movement to get accurate results. With Stryd, this means running a known distance, whereas with a bike computer, it requires measuring the actual rollout.
As a flight instructor who has flown hundreds of GPS based instrument approaches to minimums, let me just say that GPS can be accurate to within 1 meter 95% of the time. When conditions get really poor (think zero visibility on the runway) a Boeing or an Airbus can autoland based on GPS information. I think that level of accuracy is plenty to allow us to pace some Sub-T intervals...
GPS can't even measure distance accurately, much less pace. That's why you can't rely on GOS measurements when doing aero testing on the bike.
Distance and pace determined using a Stryd are equivalent to distance and speed using a classic bike computer: both are a function of distance per "movement" (stride length or wheel circumference) times the number of such movements per unit time.
In both cases you also have to carefully calibrate the distance per movement to get accurate results. With Stryd, this means running a known distance, whereas with a bike computer, it requires measuring the actual rollout.
As a flight instructor who has flown hundreds of GPS based instrument approaches to minimums, let me just say that GPS can be accurate to within 1 meter 95% of the time. When conditions get really poor (think zero visibility on the runway) a Boeing or an Airbus can autoland based on GPS information. I think that level of accuracy is plenty to allow us to pace some Sub-T intervals...
Are you really comparing a GPS device on a plane with a GPS on a watch constrained by antenna, size and power usage?
Now take that X metre error in location and calculate the distance from another point also only known to within X metre. Voila, the error in distance is greater than 1 metre.
Now take that error and accumulate it over multiple measurements taken during a run.
Now you understand why after every race people argue about whether a course was measured accurately.
TLDR: as the name implies, GPS was designed to measure a static location. No matter how precisely that is accomplished, distance measurements won't be as good, and pace will be even worse. This is why you can't use it for things like aero field testing on the bike, but must instead count on multiplying wheel circumference by the number of wheel revolutions. Analogously, Stryd calculates distance by multiplying stride length times the number of strides. You do, however, have to carefully calibrate your "rollout", or else the data will be off.
Now, ask me why swimming events are only timed to the nearest 0.01 seconds, even though the technology has much greater precision than that.
As a flight instructor who has flown hundreds of GPS based instrument approaches to minimums, let me just say that GPS can be accurate to within 1 meter 95% of the time. When conditions get really poor (think zero visibility on the runway) a Boeing or an Airbus can autoland based on GPS information. I think that level of accuracy is plenty to allow us to pace some Sub-T intervals...
Are you really comparing a GPS device on a plane with a GPS on a watch constrained by antenna, size and power usage?
Yes, I am. A basic understanding of GPS is required to grasp the comparison. Worst case scenario, ground based gps units are easily capable of 3 meter accuracy without access to GBAS or WAAS. In dense urban areas or trails with a heavy tree canopy, that sometimes degrades to 15 meters before a useable signal might be lost. But that is rare. So once again, you are running intervals with a notable allowance in running pace to stay inside the "sweet spot." Do you honestly believe that accuracy within 15 meters isn't more than enough accuracy?