Paladino and Stryd in general come across as not the nicest of people. I used the stupid thing for two years, tried to make it work, and they banned me from the subreddit for showing how it doesn't work. Which was after I tried talking to their customer support which treated my like a complete idiot and always repeated "user error" despite having calibrated the device according to their own instructions from their website and whatnot.
Paladino has been b-deep into Stryd for years, his terrible training plans were featured on the Stryd app (they still might be) and he's been "critical" of NSM for a while, although he doesn't even seem to understand it and sells his own plans based on the method but not really?
just the practical considerations of using power in running vs cycling make it not a viable option
in cycling you have power on a fixed location, not on your wrist
same reason you cant keep staring at you bpm in most case applies even more here
sure, if you have it displayed and youre on a treadmill maybe, but again its viability in the field is limited by this as well as all the other shortcomings laid out above
The Stryd, that’s under discussion here, is a foot pod.
The “power” as calculated by watches uses GPS for distance/pace while the Stryd does not. So even when not using the Stryd for power it’s useful for that alone in various conditions.
There is at least one field study out there now, assessing the effects of surface (road vs. gravel). Apparently nothing addressing the aero component/wind sensor yet, though.
However, given that the latterusually accounts for only a small fraction of the metabolic cost, I'm not sure how much that really matters.
The “power” as calculated by watches uses GPS for distance/pace while the Stryd does not. So even when not using the Stryd for power it’s useful for that alone in various conditions.
I think that you have it backwards.
Both, e.g., Garmin and Stryd calculate power independently of GPS measurements.
However, Stryd uses their accelerometer data to determine distance/pace, whereas others use GPS.
Paladino and Stryd in general come across as not the nicest of people. I used the stupid thing for two years, tried to make it work, and they banned me from the subreddit for showing how it doesn't work. Which was after I tried talking to their customer support which treated my like a complete idiot and always repeated "user error" despite having calibrated the device according to their own instructions from their website and whatnot.
Paladino has been b-deep into Stryd for years, his terrible training plans were featured on the Stryd app (they still might be) and he's been "critical" of NSM for a while, although he doesn't even seem to understand it and sells his own plans based on the method but not really?
Weird company.
Stryd were much nicer half a decade or so before competition from watches with their own power calculations became a sales problem for them.
Their public places on Reddit, Instagram and Facebook are tightly controlled marketing operations. And yes, you’ll get banned very easily, from what I’ve read.
But go read r/strydrunning to see their condescending replies to users.
To me the Stryd foot pod is useful but it’s not magic like what their marketing claims.
The “power” as calculated by watches uses GPS for distance/pace while the Stryd does not. So even when not using the Stryd for power it’s useful for that alone in various conditions.
I think that you have it backwards.
Both, e.g., Garmin and Stryd calculate power independently of GPS measurements.
However, Stryd uses their accelerometer data to determine distance/pace, whereas others use GPS.
Did you even read what you quoted?
In my reply that you quoted I wrote that Stryd did not use GPS.
As for Garmin it uses speed for its power calculations so you claim that the speed measurement is not from GPS?
just the practical considerations of using power in running vs cycling make it not a viable option
in cycling you have power on a fixed location, not on your wrist
same reason you cant keep staring at you bpm in most case applies even more here
sure, if you have it displayed and youre on a treadmill maybe, but again its viability in the field is limited by this as well as all the other shortcomings laid out above
The Stryd, that’s under discussion here, is a foot pod.
The “power” as calculated by watches uses GPS for distance/pace while the Stryd does not. So even when not using the Stryd for power it’s useful for that alone in various conditions.
not sure the confusion here: the output can be displayed on a watch screen, correct?
the point was its hard enough to use bpm in the field, in real time
and never said you should be staring at anything. the point is its easier to check in with power on a bike vs power/hr/anything on your wrist
There is at least one field study out there now, assessing the effects of surface (road vs. gravel). Apparently nothing addressing the aero component/wind sensor yet, though.
However, given that the latterusually accounts for only a small fraction of the metabolic cost, I'm not sure how much that really matters.
You can’t be serious! Wind for sure can significantly affect the metabolic cost of running.
The Stryd, that’s under discussion here, is a foot pod.
The “power” as calculated by watches uses GPS for distance/pace while the Stryd does not. So even when not using the Stryd for power it’s useful for that alone in various conditions.
not sure the confusion here: the output can be displayed on a watch screen, correct?
the point was its hard enough to use bpm in the field, in real time
and never said you should be staring at anything. the point is its easier to check in with power on a bike vs power/hr/anything on your wrist
As yet another Stryd owner for years (three generations of the pod) it has been useful to me, but there are issues with the power reporting when running in rolling terrain and gusty headwinds.
So how is it useful if it doesn't work on rolling terrain or gusty headwinds? Again power on flats without wind is very well approximated by W/kg = m/s. If you can't compare your power output when conditions vary what is even the point?
How do you even know if it shows real power or if there are issues? I mean seriously, it shows you something, how do you know it's not reliable this time vs other times when it's reliable? If you have some kind of alternative way to estimate power you can just use that. Does it tell you "sorry power not reliable on this run" or do you eyeball it and decide if it's reliable today but not yesterday?
As yet another Stryd owner for years (three generations of the pod) it has been useful to me, but there are issues with the power reporting when running in rolling terrain and gusty headwinds.
So how is it useful if it doesn't work on rolling terrain or gusty headwinds? Again power on flats without wind is very well approximated by W/kg = m/s. If you can't compare your power output when conditions vary what is even the point?
How do you even know if it shows real power or if there are issues? I mean seriously, it shows you something, how do you know it's not reliable this time vs other times when it's reliable? If you have some kind of alternative way to estimate power you can just use that. Does it tell you "sorry power not reliable on this run" or do you eyeball it and decide if it's reliable today but not yesterday?
As yet another Stryd owner for years (three generations of the pod) it has been useful to me, but there are issues with the power reporting when running in rolling terrain and gusty headwinds.
So how is it useful if it doesn't work on rolling terrain or gusty headwinds? Again power on flats without wind is very well approximated by W/kg = m/s. If you can't compare your power output when conditions vary what is even the point?
How do you even know if it shows real power or if there are issues? I mean seriously, it shows you something, how do you know it's not reliable this time vs other times when it's reliable? If you have some kind of alternative way to estimate power you can just use that. Does it tell you "sorry power not reliable on this run" or do you eyeball it and decide if it's reliable today but not yesterday?
I use the reported power as a data point along with speed and RPE during the interval. Looks at summarized lap data during rests as well.
I’m just trying to avoid overcooking but most sessions don’t have winds strong/gusty enough to give a big issue for the Stryd.
Stryd were much nicer half a decade or so before competition from watches with their own power calculations became a sales problem for them.
Their public places on Reddit, Instagram and Facebook are tightly controlled marketing operations. And yes, you’ll get banned very easily, from what I’ve read.
But go read r/strydrunning to see their condescending replies to users.
To me the Stryd foot pod is useful but it’s not magic like what their marketing claims.
Ive been banned on multiple formats and blocked by Steve himself. My crime? Dared to question the wind data sensor. Pattern emerging here. Nothing about it seemed realistic. Running at MLSS , no cardiac drift and the power was near on 75w different in either direction. That's when I stopped taking it seriously.
So how is it useful if it doesn't work on rolling terrain or gusty headwinds? Again power on flats without wind is very well approximated by W/kg = m/s. If you can't compare your power output when conditions vary what is even the point?
How do you even know if it shows real power or if there are issues? I mean seriously, it shows you something, how do you know it's not reliable this time vs other times when it's reliable? If you have some kind of alternative way to estimate power you can just use that. Does it tell you "sorry power not reliable on this run" or do you eyeball it and decide if it's reliable today but not yesterday?
I use the reported power as a data point along with speed and RPE during the interval. Looks at summarized lap data during rests as well.
I’m just trying to avoid overcooking but most sessions don’t have winds strong/gusty enough to give a big issue for the Stryd.
sounds like logical triangulation to me
just wished i had the same luck with this thing
probably superior device for calculating gct and lss though but not metrics that are usually worth the efforts on most runs
was thinking of trying them again to try to compare shoe efficiencies, but again id be doing that on a mill
There is at least one field study out there now, assessing the effects of surface (road vs. gravel). Apparently nothing addressing the aero component/wind sensor yet, though.
However, given that the latterusually accounts for only a small fraction of the metabolic cost, I'm not sure how much that really matters.
You can’t be serious! Wind for sure can significantly affect the metabolic cost of running.
The aerobic energy cost (delta VO2) of running at different speeds (V) with and against a range of wind velocities (WV) has been studied in a wind tunnel on three healthy male subjects and the results compared with downhill a...
Paladino and Stryd in general come across as not the nicest of people. I used the stupid thing for two years, tried to make it work, and they banned me from the subreddit for showing how it doesn't work. Which was after I tried talking to their customer support which treated my like a complete idiot and always repeated "user error" despite having calibrated the device according to their own instructions from their website and whatnot.
Paladino has been b-deep into Stryd for years, his terrible training plans were featured on the Stryd app (they still might be) and he's been "critical" of NSM for a while, although he doesn't even seem to understand it and sells his own plans based on the method but not really?
Weird company.
I can't get my head around this user error thing either. I had a powertap for my bike. I plugged it in. It calibrated and displayed my power consistently over many, many years. I didn't need to do anything to it.
We have posts about how the laces affect the device on Stryd. I mean come on, how utterly ridiculous is this? Imagine how mad it would be if said to a cyclist, "oh your power is off because you are using different tires today". Sure, speed will be different but power should be identical, given the same effort. When you frame it like that it really is quite ludicrous.
Btw, I actually find my coros watch native power to be as good as, if not more consistent than Stryd. Garmin, still lagging behind. But the coros really almost makes a Stryd redundant for me in situations I might have turned to it.
I use the reported power as a data point along with speed and RPE during the interval. Looks at summarized lap data during rests as well. I’m just trying to avoid overcooking but most sessions don’t have winds strong/gusty enough to give a big issue for the Stryd.
So is there a situation where Stryd shows you power you know you shouldn't be able to hold but you feel good by RPE and speed is expected but you still slow down?
I am serious here, we had this debate in cycling many times. People swear by various metrics, be it HR, HRV or some new cool thing and the questions at the end are: "if you feel good but HRV says you are cooked, do you skip the session?" or "If you feel good, power is good but HR is higher than usual do you slow down?".
It's nice to have all the data and measurements but they are only useful if there exists a scenario where you would act differently without this exact data point available. If your power meter isn't 100% reliable imo you can't use it for those situations as you will always be second guessing yourself. "I feel good, everything is normal but this thing shows I am overdoing it". You need a lot of confidence in the thing to trust it as otherwise you will always be second guessing: "maybe there is wind today, maybe it acts out today" and you will overrule the decision based on other factors making the new thing useless.
In cycling PM is very useful for pacing. If you somehow feel very good and started your 10 minutes climb at 350W but you know your 10 minutes power is 320W you know you will not hold it no matter what your body tells you. If you feel like sh.t you know you will most likely hold at least 300W because the body has ways to deceive you and you were there many times.
To use the PM like that though it needs to be very reliable as otherwise you will never be able to overrule your feelings/RPE. If it acts out even once in 100 rides then it's useless (as in you will never use it when it matters).
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Reading that name gave me post traumatic stress from a few years ago when I tried to understand how on earth the data this pod generates is supposed to be actionable. I’ve never encountered a more user hostile support community. Literally everything any user brings up is always “user error” and they’ll go on to tell you that your track is probably the wrong distance and that 50 metres difference measured in 2.5 laps is definitely because you ran the turns wide that one rep!
The wind readings are useless, and uphill running power is not comparable to flat running. (Obviously user error om my end.)
It is useful for getting somewhat consistent data across treadmills (as long as you remember to account for differences across shoes) which is the only reason I’ve used it for 6 or more years and am a “pioneer”.
