This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
No one would do a study this reckless, because it would be gross medical malpractice and outright negligent. You don't give heparin PLUS apixaban, because the results are obvious. Patients would hemorrhage. "Me thinks you are not a doctor and have no idea what you're talking about".
There are plenty of studies looking at either one alone, and in both high-intensity and low-intensity anticoagulation protocols. Any regimen to prevent DVT / PE in hospitalized patients with COVID would help, and apixaban was no better than the regular heparin protocols we've been using for literally 20 years in ICU patients to prevent blood clots.
“Eighty-six percent of patients received prophylaxis or treatment with UFH or LMWH within the 24-hour period prior to apixaban initiation. Patients were initiated on apixaban for the treatment of suspected or confirmed VTE (67%) or AFib (33%). All coagulation parameters remained abnormal but stable throughout the 10-day monitoring period. No patients experienced any major bleeding events or thrombosis throughout the study period. There were four deaths during the follow-up period, all deemed unrelated to coagulopathy or bleeding.”
So you’re pro vax because it convinced most of society to fully reopen?
The "vaccines" didn't convince anyone to fully reopen. The vaxxers wanted to live under medicla tyranny forever, the "new normal," the old normal was never supposed to come back. It was the countries and USA states that never locked down, or if they did not as hard and not for long, that made the Covid Hoax obvious and forced the vaxxers to relent for now, but they're still out there trying to continue masking and coerced "vaccines" wherever it still exists and pushing to bring it back where it doesn't.
You really act like we can just prescribe things with know adverse side effects to broad swaths of the sick population with no studies because they might help.
“Just one more trial” guy has become “why didn’t we prescribe my bespoke cocktail with zero evidence guy”
Because we can! It’s called practicing medicine using medical training and knows. But conventional dogma forced doctors who were willing to do this and who saved lives outside the system. As did you.
It's called "killing patients by denying standard of care or because of medical hubris leading to toxic side effects."
There are a lot of smart doctors out there and a lot of smart scientists. Pretending these people are ignoring obvious treatment protocols because of some grand conspiracy when they could be saving lives and earning [honor, prestige, money, eternal salvation] is simply asinine.
Your treatment hypothesis may work. Until we have good evidence it's safe to assume it either:
1) doesn't work and is thus immoral to give to people instead of standard of care (unless in a trial)
“Eighty-six percent of patients received prophylaxis or treatment with UFH or LMWH within the 24-hour period prior to apixaban initiation. Patients were initiated on apixaban for the treatment of suspected or confirmed VTE (67%) or AFib (33%). All coagulation parameters remained abnormal but stable throughout the 10-day monitoring period. No patients experienced any major bleeding events or thrombosis throughout the study period. There were four deaths during the follow-up period, all deemed unrelated to coagulopathy or bleeding.”
Drugs often have serious side effects. This is known and taken seriously by physicians.
Besides there are several trials showing less-than serious risks in people with bad kidney function. This is not as cut and dry as you make it seem, of course.
But do carry on with the murderous doctors things or whatever. I'm sure if they shoveled quecertin by the kilogram it's the same. Totally efficacious and moral.
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So you think that these people who had the chance to be vaccinated prior to Omicron, but chose not to, would somehow magically be conferred immunity without the Omicron surge?
1. Vaccine did not and does not give immunity.
2. Get Covid and you get natural immunity.
Those are 2 basic facts even a kid in 4th grade understands.
The point isn’t whether they took a stupid risk or that their immunity is subpar. The point is that Omicron provided immunity to a great number of people who never would have had it. Omicron was the impetus for ending the pandemic.
This thread is famously lacking in nuance and measured discussion. So unfortunately when people like Covidicy post thing I have to make sure I don’t imply support for their conclusions.
I think the phrase “ending the pandemic” 1) implies it was necessary and sufficient 2) casts Omicron mass infection in a better light than something that killed a couple hundred thousand people.
Neither are true. The pandemic could have ended without Omicron; and it certainly would have been better.
Sounds like you’re trying to argue a point that no one has made.
This thread is famously lacking in nuance and measured discussion. So unfortunately when people like Covidicy post thing I have to make sure I don’t imply support for their conclusions.
I think the phrase “ending the pandemic” 1) implies it was necessary and sufficient 2) casts Omicron mass infection in a better light than something that killed a couple hundred thousand people.
Neither are true. The pandemic could have ended without Omicron; and it certainly would have been better.
Sounds like you’re trying to argue a point that no one has made.
How can I argue a point no one has made? That’s circular…
Im arguing against a point that has been made time and time again in this thread. Perhaps the absolute literal interpretation of Covidicy’s post did match my interpretation. But given his history and as a sufficiently complex intelligence I can infer things and think abstractly… I made the right conclusion.
We should ask Allen53, YMMV, Dunes Runner how their natural immunity worked for them.
Spreading rumors again. The BroJos have no way to confirm what you imply, so please be quiet and be sure to schedule your next "booster".
You lost all credibility when you thought mocking your wife for being sick would win you LetsRun points. Go for a run dude or you might end up like Allen53.
Sounds like you’re trying to argue a point that no one has made.
How can I argue a point no one has made? That’s circular…
Im arguing against a point that has been made time and time again in this thread. Perhaps the absolute literal interpretation of Covidicy’s post did match my interpretation. But given his history and as a sufficiently complex intelligence I can infer things and think abstractly… I made the right conclusion.
How can I argue a point no one has made? That’s circular…
Im arguing against a point that has been made time and time again in this thread. Perhaps the absolute literal interpretation of Covidicy’s post did match my interpretation. But given his history and as a sufficiently complex intelligence I can infer things and think abstractly… I made the right conclusion.
I cut my face shaving tonight. I think it might be from the vaccine. I heard something about a global increase in facial bleeding post-shave that correlates perfect with the rollout of the vaccines. I can't remember, but I think I saw it on substack, or Rumble. I can't remember but when I find it I'll link you guys! We can't let the government, Big Pharma, and Fauci get away with this!
I cut my face shaving tonight. I think it might be from the vaccine. I heard something about a global increase in facial bleeding post-shave that correlates perfect with the rollout of the vaccines. I can't remember, but I think I saw it on substack, or Rumble. I can't remember but when I find it I'll link you guys! We can't let the government, Big Pharma, and Fauci get away with this!
