Like I said, come back with something real. If there is real evidence of "fraud" and "lies," I'm not going to defend the guy (believe it or not).
we've pointed out time and time again why his running workouts that he has uploaded on Strava are lies--which they are. and time and time again you try to gaslight us with pseudo-legalese nonsense.
Nothing has been “debunked.” For you to say there’s nothing here is totally false. You actually haven’t dug into the criticisms. Dismissing them doesn’t make them untrue. People with direct experience and encounters with the Roches have commented. Words from the Roches’ very own mouths have actually been uttered and NEVER backed up by performance.
It’s stupid that you are unwilling to see the manipulation behind using Strava app outside and his watch for the treadmill. Everyone else knows why he does that. Do you really think it’s fair that they never once have said they were wrong about anything?
It’s also stupid for you to think that it’s just fine to make big bold claims about transparency and NO SECRETS! But then they are very secretive about how much they actually train. They tell their athletes and followers one thing and do another. How insulting to their audience for them to give them the message that they can’t handle the necessary training, or that the honest truth is you need way more hours to be an elite.
Cheating on Zwift is rampant, but as good athletes committed to training, they shouldn’t. If Megan didn’t want to change her weight on Zwift (she’s more than 110 lb pre pregnancy btw), that’s fine. But she makes posts bragging about her times (based on w/kg). Nothing to see there? Really? If they weren’t public figures, people would think they’re dumb but not care. But they want people to follow and trust them.
Their behavior does not support what they’re selling. They actually distort the truth for personal gain. That’s NOT a good quality in a coach or an influencer. People have a right to know about all of that and make a choice for themselves, and not have mean people like you, who say “nothing to see here.” And yes, you are a f-ing a**hole for how you’ve treated people here. You are mean. No wonder you like the Roches.
Pretty sure I've debunked every accusation made throughout the course of this thread. Like I said, I've checked in every week or so. It's not worth my or your time for me to rehash every single one. I haven't changed my handle so go back and look.
And your comment that "everyone else knows why he does that" is exactly the stuff i'm talking about. You have your theories, but, no, none of you knows why he does that. If he were carrying both watch and phone, maybe one's GPS glitched (it happens). Maybe he thought one was more accurate than the other. Maybe one's battery died. Sure, it could be as you have accused him, but you don't *know* that. Plus this is peanuts-level stuff. Even if it were true, it's a so-what.
Oh, it's absurd for you to think there's some "gotcha" that they're somehow secretive about how they train. One recent podcast he recounted the whole week's training and a small bit of it wasn't on Strava. If he were being secretive, he wouldn't have recounted the whole week's training on the podcast. See how that works?
And to the guy who said "it's not just one or two things but all the things," I'll repeat: there haven't been a bunch of things except in the feverish minds of the posters on here. Like I said, come back with something real. If there is real evidence of "fraud" and "lies," I'm not going to defend the guy (believe it or not).
A sad lawyer who practices his poor debating skills on a running forum… yeah I can see why you’re a Roche fan.
Like I said, come back with something real. If there is real evidence of "fraud" and "lies," I'm not going to defend the guy (believe it or not).
we've pointed out time and time again why his running workouts that he has uploaded on Strava are lies--which they are. and time and time again you try to gaslight us with pseudo-legalese nonsense.
If someone posts 1000 times that "the sky is orange, the sky is orange," it doesn't make it orange. Hint: since you're obviously not the sharpest tool in the drawer, that's you on this thread.
You keep saying that uploading treadmill workouts are "lies" and they're not. They're treadmill workouts. Maybe you need a refresher on what a "lie" is? Do you have proof that he didn't run these workouts on the treadmill and they're fabricated? I'll wait.
No, that's not pseudo-legalese nonsense. If you had an ounce of intelligence, you'd then say, "well, those uploads are misleading because he can't run those times outside so it basically amounts to the same thing as a lie," but then I'd appropriately reply that "David acknowledged that they probably don't translate to outdoors." So where is the lie?
Dude, you can scream and kick you feet and shake your fist at the sky all you want, but come back with evidence of a lie.
Pretty sure I've debunked every accusation made throughout the course of this thread. Like I said, I've checked in every week or so. It's not worth my or your time for me to rehash every single one. I haven't changed my handle so go back and look.
And your comment that "everyone else knows why he does that" is exactly the stuff i'm talking about. You have your theories, but, no, none of you knows why he does that. If he were carrying both watch and phone, maybe one's GPS glitched (it happens). Maybe he thought one was more accurate than the other. Maybe one's battery died. Sure, it could be as you have accused him, but you don't *know* that. Plus this is peanuts-level stuff. Even if it were true, it's a so-what.
Oh, it's absurd for you to think there's some "gotcha" that they're somehow secretive about how they train. One recent podcast he recounted the whole week's training and a small bit of it wasn't on Strava. If he were being secretive, he wouldn't have recounted the whole week's training on the podcast. See how that works?
And to the guy who said "it's not just one or two things but all the things," I'll repeat: there haven't been a bunch of things except in the feverish minds of the posters on here. Like I said, come back with something real. If there is real evidence of "fraud" and "lies," I'm not going to defend the guy (believe it or not).
A sad lawyer who practices his poor debating skills on a running forum… yeah I can see why you’re a Roche fan.
yeah it's just BS that he's hoping we believe. Classic lawyer BS. They think they're smart but they're just smart at playing dumb
we've pointed out time and time again why his running workouts that he has uploaded on Strava are lies--which they are. and time and time again you try to gaslight us with pseudo-legalese nonsense.
If someone posts 1000 times that "the sky is orange, the sky is orange," it doesn't make it orange. Hint: since you're obviously not the sharpest tool in the drawer, that's you on this thread.
You keep saying that uploading treadmill workouts are "lies" and they're not. They're treadmill workouts. Maybe you need a refresher on what a "lie" is? Do you have proof that he didn't run these workouts on the treadmill and they're fabricated? I'll wait.
No, that's not pseudo-legalese nonsense. If you had an ounce of intelligence, you'd then say, "well, those uploads are misleading because he can't run those times outside so it basically amounts to the same thing as a lie," but then I'd appropriately reply that "David acknowledged that they probably don't translate to outdoors." So where is the lie?
Dude, you can scream and kick you feet and shake your fist at the sky all you want, but come back with evidence of a lie.
just stop.
They're lies.
You obsessibely posting here to the contrary like some kind of pedo serial killer isn't going to change our minds
You keep saying that uploading treadmill workouts are "lies" and they're not. They're treadmill workouts. Maybe you need a refresher on what a "lie" is? Do you have proof that he didn't run these workouts on the treadmill and they're fabricated? I'll wait.
it's already been discussed here time and time again why 31:30 10k runner (at sea level) David Roche is not capable of running 6 x 1 mile at altitude averaging low 4:30s
You forgot the consistent lying about workouts, both running and biking
I didn't really forget it, it's just not that interesting and it falls under the self-promotion schtick category I mentioned.
Race results matter more than Strava/Zwift shenanigans.
of course they do, and if he was lying about race results, that would also be a problem.
But if people lie about little things, then they will lie about big things. And David has time and time again gone out of his way to lie about the little things
we've pointed out time and time again why his running workouts that he has uploaded on Strava are lies--which they are. and time and time again you try to gaslight us with pseudo-legalese nonsense.
If someone posts 1000 times that "the sky is orange, the sky is orange," it doesn't make it orange. Hint: since you're obviously not the sharpest tool in the drawer, that's you on this thread.
You keep saying that uploading treadmill workouts are "lies" and they're not. They're treadmill workouts. Maybe you need a refresher on what a "lie" is? Do you have proof that he didn't run these workouts on the treadmill and they're fabricated? I'll wait.
No, that's not pseudo-legalese nonsense. If you had an ounce of intelligence, you'd then say, "well, those uploads are misleading because he can't run those times outside so it basically amounts to the same thing as a lie," but then I'd appropriately reply that "David acknowledged that they probably don't translate to outdoors." So where is the lie?
Dude, you can scream and kick you feet and shake your fist at the sky all you want, but come back with evidence of a lie.
Dumb question here but what's the point of "juicing" workouts on Strava? Is it to gain more street cred and hence more paying coaching clients? Is it to freak out opponents so hard that they bomb the next time they compete against him? Also who takes anything serious on Strava, it's full of fraud when it comes to stuff like FKTs and other challenges....
Dumb question here but what's the point of "juicing" workouts on Strava? Is it to gain more street cred and hence more paying coaching clients? Is it to freak out opponents so hard that they bomb the next time they compete against him? Also who takes anything serious on Strava, it's full of fraud when it comes to stuff like FKTs and other challenges....
Race results or bust.
all of the above. he feels that the product is himself--not his coaching, not necessarily even his race results (Dean Karnazes wasn't the best ultra runner, but that's how his sold himself). That means he has to sell himself all the time. For david, that means a need to "juke the stats." He needs to be the fastest/smartest/most loving at all time
If someone posts 1000 times that "the sky is orange, the sky is orange," it doesn't make it orange. Hint: since you're obviously not the sharpest tool in the drawer, that's you on this thread.
You keep saying that uploading treadmill workouts are "lies" and they're not. They're treadmill workouts. Maybe you need a refresher on what a "lie" is? Do you have proof that he didn't run these workouts on the treadmill and they're fabricated? I'll wait.
No, that's not pseudo-legalese nonsense. If you had an ounce of intelligence, you'd then say, "well, those uploads are misleading because he can't run those times outside so it basically amounts to the same thing as a lie," but then I'd appropriately reply that "David acknowledged that they probably don't translate to outdoors." So where is the lie?
Dude, you can scream and kick you feet and shake your fist at the sky all you want, but come back with evidence of a lie.
so you agree misleading is a lie?
you missed the "appropriately reply" part, Sparky.
Let me spell it out for the dim-witted: even taking a view that posting treadmill workouts is somehow misleading (which I don't agree with but is the worst that can be argued here), David acknowledged that they don't translate to outside. So all you're left with is apparently he's not allowed to post TM workouts at all? That's absurd on its face. Time to move on.
Dude, you can scream and kick you feet and shake your fist at the sky all you want
who shakes their fist at the sky at the same time they're kicking their feet? are you gay?
LOL. Apparently I'm "obsessively" posting when I've come on roughly once per week to see what the latest accusations are and see if any have merit. None have.
But you have posted, what, 8 times since I posted earlier today. And now this high-intelligence "burn" has exposed you as the brain-dead, pimply-faced teenager that I figured you are.
Son, there's more to life than video games and posting falsehoods on the internet about some ultra-runner that you don't like. Get outside. Maybe try to talk to a girl. Go for a run.