Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

Your answer is the most reasonable yet. At least you make sense explaining how it doesn't benefit average americans.

"How does billions sent to Ukraine help average americans in america?"

Your answers:

~ it helps top shareholders of MIC companies

Kudos to you, Azov.

Here's your $1,280 coffee cup of waste spending, F35

heritage.org

$1,280 Per Coffee Cup Is a Bad Look. Here Are Some Changes the Military Should Make.

@heritage

The Air Force recently came under scrutiny for spending $1,280 apiece on hot cups. The cups have become a symbol of two facts that shape our military: The military needs to be a good steward of taxpayer dollars, and an older...

Link:www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/12...

Interesting. Not a peep from the west about Wagner mercenaries, who were around a year earlier in 2014.

The West saw Azov as a bigger threat to, uh, rationality and morality.

Something about Azov being openly Nazi as a part of Ukraine's ACTUAL f*cking military. Even uncle sam was like, WTF

Your article is more about the uneasy alliance between moderate and far-right factions in Ukraine than corruption per se. Ukraine has issues with both. The key isn't so much that they have issues as is the progress they are making toward mitigating those issues.

bbc.com

Top Ukrainian officials quit in anti-corruption drive

https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews

A top aide and deputy defence minister are among those to resign as Kyiv tackles corruption reports.

Link:www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64383388

Speaking of Wagner . . .

The Wagner Group’s outsized reliance on recruitment from penal colonies appears to be having increasing ramifications on Wagner’s combat capability. Head of the independent Russian human rights organization “Rus Sidyashchaya” (Russia Behind Bars) Olga Romanova claimed on January 23 that out of the assessed 50,000 prisoners that Wagner has recruited, only 10,000 are fighting on frontlines in Ukraine due to high casualty, surrender, and desertion rates.[5] ISW cannot independently confirm these figures, but they are very plausible considering Wagner’s model of using convicts as cannon fodder in highly attritional offensive operations.[6] The model Wagner has reportedly been using of retaining its highly trained long-serving mercenaries as leadership and Special Forces–type elements on top of a mass of untrained convicts also lends itself to high combat losses, surrenders, and desertions. The Wagner Group aim of reducing casualties among its non-convict mercenaries likely undermines its ability to retain and use effectively its large mass of convicts at scale and over time. ISW has previously reported on instances of relatives of Wagner group fighters receiving empty coffins after being told their loves ones died in Ukraine, suggesting that Wagner lacks the basic administrative and bureaucratic infrastructure to track and present its own losses, adding further credibility to the “Rus Sidyashchaya” estimate.

Ukraine's corruption and Ukraine's Neo-Nazis are two different topics.

Give us links that Azov's Nazi's are gone... and stay on the topic.

But good to know the billions sent from average americans are going to the most corrupt nation in Europe. Who woulda thunk it, with Neo-Nazis serving openly in their government's actual military.

All good reasons to make more americans homeless and uninsured in america

This is not from 2015, when the west realized how crap Azov was. Do you have a source on Wagner that at least matches the West's horror realization of Azov, circa 2015?

I knew the Russian troll would get excited if he sees a democracy investigate corruption and fire people, because that is so NOT SOVIET RUSSIA WAY COMRADE NO NO NO--you promote corrupt people and they become your inner circle comrade.

Very hard for Russian troll to understand the idea of firing anyone for corruption.

So, your argument is that a cup of coffee costs $1200, but storing and maintaining an M2 Bradley is free.

Interestingly, that's all the US has become - a supporting apparatus for the owners of the military–industrial complex. This is how this business works:

Step 1) Create military products

Step 2) Create false enemies

Step 3) Create false narratives

Step 4) Create a "cool kids club" (NATO)

Step 5) Have taxpayers of the US and other countries of the "cool kids club" pay for the military products.

Steps 2 and 3 are being repeated on demand.

So as a result, we have brainwashed Americans thinking that the US is constantly in danger of an attack, so they go to work and then gladly give their hard earned money to the owners of the military–industrial complex.

Excellent breakdown.

Except most americans don't gladly give it. They are not smart enough to know what they are, as individuals, actually giving. For every dollar given to the IRS, $0.53 cents goes to military. The amount is small enough every month to never alarm anyone of the perpetual scam being run on them via their taxes. This is the only way they do nothing about it. Bury it and hide it.

NATO is the employee of the month for the pentagon's sales division, every month. It's all they are, the sales division for the MIC. Mission creep so bad, NATO missions are in Africa, because the USSR is in Africa now. Yup.

The military is a very small part of the budget. How exactly are you coming up with 53% of revenue going to the military???

Over 60 cents of every dollar goes to entitlements and debt service. Less than 15 cents of every dollar goes to the defense budget.

600 pages of Russian trolling, and the latest posts are two Russian trolls pretending to argue about arithmetic.

Gotta give them kudos--I think they're the most persistent trolls on the site.

Wonder if they're working out of a Russian prison, trolling instead of going to be cannon fodder?

It takes a special brand of stupid to think giving American tax dollars away to baby sit Europe is being pro-American.

The worst part is that Europe doesn't even need babysitting. Like I said before: fictitional enemy + false narrative creates excellent customers of the military-industrial complex. In reality, EU is in zero danger.

Example from my own life: in my country media is constantly reporting about crimes committed by refugees. So I went to a gun store and bought a pistol. Now that I own a pistol, I am much more committed to perceive every refugee I see as a criminal. And only recently I've found out that refugee crimes make up absolutely insignificant portion of all crimes in my country.

This is what's happening on a global scale, I can imagine.

Too bad for you woke girly men, Ukraine is getting the tanks they need to expel the Russian invaders from their country:

Russian trolls out in force today, bringing 10 times the stupid. I'm sure that it's just a coincidence that it's the same time that Western tanks are going to Ukraine. Those new armored brigades are going to make life even more hellacious for a bunch of Russians who were sweeping streets 2 weeks ago.