2017 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion

Because it can be a door way to bigger opportunities. Some people are a bit more ambitious than to just stay in one place for a career. Plus its is an hour or so away from padre island. Thats a bit better than west texas. They probably offered him a good amount more in cash aswell.

It's the real deal. He posted on the alumni Facebook page that he was leaving.

mexicant wrote:

Because it can be a door way to bigger opportunities. Some people are a bit more ambitious than to just stay in one place for a career. Plus its is an hour or so away from padre island. Thats a bit better than west texas. They probably offered him a good amount more in cash aswell.

Flowers was raking in $63K at WTAMU. No way they're paying that much at UTRGV.

BiggerinTexas wrote:

http://amarillo.com/sports/wt-sports/2017-06-17/wt-track-coach-flowers-resigns-take-same-post-division-i-ut-rio-grande

Jeez, the newspaper doesn't even know where UTRGV is. It's in Edinburg.

“It’s an unbelievable deal,” Flowers said. “They’re wanting to compete at the same level as Big 12 schools. The operating budget is huge and all of that is extremely hard to get at the Division II level. They blew me away with the way they want to run the track program. It’s an honor to get offered a job like this. But I know I got offered this job because of what we did at WT. I owe WT everything.”

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Yep, UTRGV is going to compete with Big12 schools. Does any school have more turnover than this place? Seems like there have been 10 head coaches there in the past decade.

doesnt take alot o be competitive in the big 12. But scoring points is different than winning. If they use the money wisely and get good ssistant that an recruit and develop it should not be difficult to get a team that could finish higher than last in big 12. They will have to pay better though to get that.

They've actually only had one head coach for the past 5 years..So..you're dumb..

And the job is paying 60k...

I work for a terrible director wrote:

The non-loyal assistant is going to get canned whether right or wrong 10 times out of 10. Unless we're talking about ethical/illegal issues here. And yes, because loyalty is so important in this profession, that's the way it should be. Not excusing bad head coaches. But the assistant has to let that take care of itself. The assistant's only job description is "Make the Head Coach's Job Easier." Any assistant needs to acknowledge this before signing up. The assistant who gains a reputation for disloyalty won't be in this profession (at least at a high level) long. And If I'm ever head coach, I won't go near an assistant known for disloyalty no matter how good they are. And all this is coming from an assistant who works for a very well know sh!tty head coach.

That's your opinion, disloyalty to a head coach can be perceived differently between the two parties, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. The assistant coach has to be disloyal to the University and Athletic Department before disloyalty to a head coach occurs. I left a program as an assistant where "Make the Head Coach's Job Easier" was ignored by the head coach because he refused to listen to I said on everything ranging from meet management to how to treat athletes. Was I disloyal to him for how I left and how I differ from him on almost everything? From my perspective the answer is no, I could have tried a mutiny and perhaps succeeded. I played peacemaker and kept the athletes from quitting until the XC season ended and they had a meeting with the Head Coach/Director.

Now, after I left only a few people know exactly what went on from my perspective, but then after I learned more in the intervening months about how I was lied to and figured out the reason for marginalization of my role. I then tore into him indirectly and will continue to do so. Let's put it this way, I handed him an All-American and Conference Champion (school's first) and another who was a conference champ (school's first) upon his hiring and finished off the best and largest recruiting class the school had ever had after it's best ever finish in XC. Then he proceeded to turn that team into the last place team at the conference meet with the All-American quitting or technically making herself ineligible so he couldn't force her to run and it wouldn't have mattered if she ran or not. After I left, the attrition rate went through the roof, 50% to be exact.

Did I play a role in the attrition rate? No. I left quietly, I was disappointed by the conference results, but as I was recruiting the state XC meet I realized I could no longer effectively fulfill my duties as assistant coach. I just couldn't recruit like I knew how to recruit, which includes making promises I could keep on culture and lifestyle, I just couldn't bring myself to lying to athletes and parents. What happened to that team can be directly attributed to the AD and the Head Coach. I will not mince words there. I absolutely adore, the students, the faculty, and the University's President and Provost, but the AD and Head Coach have to get their heads screwed on straight or that program will not become what it can be. So, if those two feel I was disloyal, then that's their error. Was my way the absolute best? I don't know, my philosophy and advice were relegated whenever possible, but results are hard to ignore even in small sample sizes when the differences in results are so large. Thus, just heeding my advice would have been at least prudent instead of just brushing it off. I would probably be more harsh if the Head Coach had any experience approaching mine, he's young and he has time to learn, but some of the best lessons taught are in absentia.

Sorry about the long post, just sick of the typical bullshittery posted about loyalty, honor, integrity, committment, or other shit people think they know about leadership. If a coach/school wouldn't hire me over what happened then I am fine with because they know shit about leadership and I would probably end up in a similar circumstance. Regardless, I am happy where I am at now with 2 Head Coaches I have tremendous respect for even though I may have slightly different philosophies in some areas, but core philosophies are similar and we love to have fun! The simple thing is if you are an assistant coach at a place where the culture and atmosphere don't fit you, then it's best to get out and do it quietly. Some people are going to think you are disloyal or are a quitter, or a malcontent, or a possible cancer regardless. The thing is you can't control what people think, just be sure of yourself and control what you can control.

Great. Now back to the reason for this thread...jobs. Not some long rant by a whiny assistant coach. Anything new on this fine Monday?

does anyone have any insight on the Lenoir Rhyne head XC/TF job?

http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/9155720/head-coach-men-s-women-s-cross-country-track-field

Hokie fanokie wrote:

Great. Now back to the reason for this thread...jobs. Not some long rant by a whiny assistant coach. Anything new on this fine Monday?

I think his post was completely relevant. Get lost, you miserable nincompoop.

In regards to the Lenoir-Rhyne posting it seems like it is relatively well funded. Several schools in the conference are fully funded, however that doesn't mean a ton when school costs 47k a year and there are roster expectations of 30-40 per gender. Takes the right kid.

http://college-tuition.startclass.com/l/2898/Lenoir-Rhyne-University

Not sure on pay. Most head coaches in the region make between 30k and 60k depending on what school you are at. They do have a track on campus and it seems like the administration is more interested in winning than in having a huge roster, that being said I could be wrong about that.

Who is Oregon hiring for jumps?

Hokie fanokie wrote:

Great. Now back to the reason for this thread...jobs. Not some long rant by a whiny assistant coach. Anything new on this fine Monday?

Whiny because I left under my own volition? Not a chance. Was I upset and sad when I did leave? Yes. In hindsight, would I do the same thing over again if the same situation presented itself? Yes.

The reason why this discussion is relevant in this thread is you don't take a job or stay in a job when you know longer fit and trying to make it a fit may make the situation worse. What the other guy said was half BS, the other half is good. I am not going to pump up or tout a coach or coaching staff that I have first hand knowledge of doing things poorly.

Any word on who Oregon State is looking at for the Head Coaching position?

Chris Johnson

Adam Tribble was an assistant there not too long ago. Could make sense and would probably be cheaper. Distance oriented NW fit.

Roll Tide wrote:

Adam Tribble was an assistant there not too long ago. Could make sense and would probably be cheaper. Distance oriented NW fit.

So then who would go to Alabama?