2014 College Track and Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion

Josh McDougal out at Liberty. Dont know where he is going.

Listen, that is trash..sorry. But a successful coach would know to hire assistants who come to the table with knowledge on all this stuff, then delegate. You hire three assistants who have already recruited in college, you name one coordinator. You hire a Director of Operations. Basically as a head coach your job is to meet with Alumni,fund raise, develop relationships, motivate the team by overall policy, coach a small event group, and take care of office work. You greet recruites briefly, but your assistants do most of that. You don't need to be an NCAA coach for 20 yrs for this stuff. Be a meet director? Theres not much difference if you've done that in the past. College is bigger seed times, the rest is basically the same thing.

Good heads of any business or program, hired qualified people and delegate, and motivate

Anyone know which coach left Miami?

http://um.hodesiq.com/job_detail.asp?JobID=4527500&user_id=&ViewAll=&emid=3640

eeeaee wrote:

Listen, that is trash..sorry. But a successful coach would know to hire assistants who come to the table with knowledge on all this stuff, then delegate. You hire three assistants who have already recruited in college, you name one coordinator. You hire a Director of Operations. Basically as a head coach your job is to meet with Alumni,fund raise, develop relationships, motivate the team by overall policy, coach a small event group, and take care of office work. You greet recruites briefly, but your assistants do most of that. You don't need to be an NCAA coach for 20 yrs for this stuff. Be a meet director? Theres not much difference if you've done that in the past. College is bigger seed times, the rest is basically the same thing.

Good heads of any business or program, hired qualified people and delegate, and motivate

Ok. Enough of this crap.

1/2 of you are sensitive high school coaches and 1/2 of you are egotistical college coaches (presumably).

You're both acting like complaining children or unsympathetic parents (you choose who is who...I don't care).

I started my love for coaching as a high school coach at a very large high school. I was not a teacher. Instead I had a 9-5 cubical job that allowed me to shift my hours (7-3) so that I could coach. It ruined my "young promising" career since all I wanted to do after was coach and interact with my athletes.

I coached 4 years in HS and hated that my best athletes moved on to college & did not reach their potential. They either bombed out, quit or just fizzled... I knew I could get more out of them if I had time...I wished that I WAS THE EGO-MINDED PRICK that stole my well-trained kids away and ruined them. So, I guess that became my goal.

I applied to every job under the sun, getting many interviews. But many times I was left brokenhearted. I knew that I needed a full time coaching gig if I was going to pay my bills/loans and if I didn't want to get a divorce. So I played the "Why won't anyone give me a shot? I can do it just as well as some stupid no-nothing college coach" card...That card didn't get me very far...

I was a finalist, but never THE FINALIST for a handful of full time gigs. So I asked around (like many of you) on what would I need to do to put me over the top. Instead, my now-college coaching mentors told me to do something else...take the first part-time college gig and bide my time. Work harder than you want to. Who cares if you are coaching a 5:10 miler in college when you used to coach 4:25 milers in high school. Make THAT kid better. Make cool events. Reach out to the community. Practice. Practice. Practice. Get an AD on your side and pick low hanging fruit. Be reliable. Don't make perfect kids, but try to be a perfect coach & never complain about a thing.

That advice brought me to where I am today. I am a head college coach for a school that now has a national presence (though not where I want it to be, just yet). I really know that I am living the dream (my dream...maybe not your dream...but I don't really care about YOUR dream). It's a struggle to pay the bills sometimes, especially with a wife and kids, but it was worth the step back in order to move around a roadblock and eventually forward. You can't just hold your hand out. It takes a long-term action plan & the utmost flexibility. If you think ANYONE is going to give you a job that you have ZERO experience with (other than holding a whistle...which is what AD's in college think when they see "gym class" track coaches) and that all you think you have to do is delegate then you are living in la-la land. You need to prove yourself AT EVERY LEVEL first before anyone gives you any sort of responsibility. If you delegate AND have no experience then the AD is going to can you. Seriously. You need to JUSTIFY your presence before you can do ANYTHING ELSE!

My advice for high school coaches wanting to make the leap:

-***get ANY college job that you can & make it perfect for YOU

-***make friends in the college coaching game

-***get a mentor & pick their brain...a lot...

-***attend coaching conventions/USTFCCCCA courses & drink

-***never complain

-***be genuine to your kids & to your boss

-***learn to coach BOTH genders...something I didn't have to do as a high school coach & college women are a different breed, man...you think that 16 year old girls are irrational? ...wow...

-***oh yeah...and NEVER complain :)

My advice for YOU college coaches:

-***the NCAA test is a joke

-***recruiting is not hard if you are genuine & patient

-***99% of the jobs you get by KNOWING other people, so stop bragging...that doesn't make you "qualified" but it does make you smart

-***coaching jobs are not easy to come by...ALL good coaches needed to start at a place where they built their character up first

OK. Rant over.

Summer sucks. I miss my team.

what is this clown saying? All i said was some high school coaches are qualified and would do well in college. I don't give a sht about your story. What's that got to do with what I said?

Yeah. Let's get back to when Milt is interviewing in South Bend. Before or after USA's?

My thing with the coaching search is that No ever Answers questions regarding the positions they are looking for. Why all the secrecy??

Listener wrote:

Yeah. Let's get back to when Milt is interviewing in South Bend. Before or after USA's?

Interviews are Tuesday-Friday

Listener wrote:

Yeah. Let's get back to when Milt is interviewing in South Bend. Before or after USA's?

I just can't believe Miltenberg would go to Notre Dame. Didn't he start at Stanford two years ago?

I hate you both wrote:

Shut the fvck up you fvcking idiots. Go start your own thread about your stupid a$$ opinions. No high school coach will get the TN job because THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED!!! Go beat off somewhere else about your dreams if being a high school coach making it big.

Ban me from posting, it was well worth getting my point across.

lol no one said they would. They said they could do it if hired. IF hired. Not when. None of you read.

eeeeeeae wrote:

bullsht. It's got differences but not enough to say theyre unqualified. It takes a new assistant hired out of high school two days to study and pass a recruiting test. Leadership is leadership. It transfers no matter what the level. You probably believe no assistant could do it either. Only head college coaches can be head college coaches right?

That's now what he's saying. He's saying that coaching in high school is about one thing - coaching/leadership.

Coaching in college is about that but a) recruiting and b) budgeting/dealing with AD are probably more important to your survival than Xs and Os. If you don't excel at recruiting and please the AD, you'll be gone in no time.

Having coached for 10 years at Cornell, I would find it hard to coach at a scholarship school as it would take me a while to figure out who to go after, how much to offer, etc. On the plus side, I could get in anyone I wanted.

OK, OK, OK, Enough: Wonderfully said response. You do GET it. eeeeeeae does not, never will.

Idaho is starting interviews. Sources say that they are speaking with several assistant coaches no head coaches. Heard salary is not great and not fully staffed. Tough place to be (but it is a Division I head job).

DKCCC wrote:=

I just can't believe Miltenberg would go to Notre Dame. Didn't he start at Stanford two years ago?

Should Stanford just shutdown the program? It's amazing how no one wants to stay there. Is it simply too expensive for assistants to get by and thus the head doesn't want to have deal with hiring a new staff every other year?

An actual working college coax wrote:

OK, OK, OK, Enough: Wonderfully said response. You do GET it. eeeeeeae does not, never will.

Idaho is starting interviews. Sources say that they are speaking with several assistant coaches no head coaches. Heard salary is not great and not fully staffed. Tough place to be (but it is a Division I head job).

Incorrect, i clearly won. People had to ignore presented facts to pretend otherwise

You just about have to have a PhD in accounting to recruit in a scholarship situation. It used to be you had a pot of money and you could divide it as you wish. Now, if a kid is on academic aid, you have to count that toward your allowable totals if you give them any athletic money.

For you folks that think that a high school coach can just walk in and do the job, you clearly don't have a realistic grasp on what a collegiate coach actually does on a daily basis. When you coach high school, you coach them for a couple hours after school and at meets. Sure, you are concerned about them eligibility-wise, but by and large, you get to send them home to parents/guardians each night. In college you have to be concerned with the daily decisions of kids (yes, they are still kids) who are away from home and sometimes make boneheaded moves that can go with the age. It's your job to help them navigate a challenging time of life socially, athletically, academically etc. As others have already pointed out, you have to deal with a myriad of NCAA regulations (which are amended on a yearly basis) when it comes to recruiting, initial and on-going eligibility, graduation progress and rates, scholarship allotments (D1, D2, and NAIA), and fundraising.

If you are the Head Coach of CC and Track, then you are in season all 3 seasons. That is extremely time intensive and even the most efficient of coaches who have the full complement of coaches allowed by the NCAA (not a common situation at non BCS level schools, btw) are challenged to have adequate family time or liveable pay. Your fund raising responsibilities will be numerous and will include, but not be limited to such things as hosting meets (both hs and college), interacting with and cultivating boosters (which has it's own chapter in the NCAA manual). You'll most likely be hosting clinics and camps during winter and summer breaks. You'll also be supervising assistant coaches who you hope will have the good sense to not break NCAA or university rules, stab you in the back, or be inappropriate with the athletes.

It was suggested that taking care of all these areas was simply a matter of delegating. As the head coach, you are still responsible for all aspects of a program and, as such, you still need to oversee the successful completion of the work. I would highly doubt that any SEC, Big 10, PAC 12, or ACC AD would hire a Director of CC/Track who had no collegiate experience. People mentioned Pat Henry and John McDonnell's career path, but you all do realize that was 25-30 years ago, right? It just isn't happening any more.

Back to the topic, it will be interesting to see all of the yearly collegiate coaching dominoes fall. Best of look to all who aspire to become or continue being a college coach. For those who do it well for the right reasons, it's the best thing going.

Air Force Distance

Youve said nothing here which is vastly different than being a high school coach. Try again or appologize

GoIrish96 wrote:

Interviews are Tuesday-Friday

This week? With USA 's going on is it just the 2 interviewing?

Enjoy you $900 high school coaching stipen and have fun wondering why you can't get a college job