Dawg, Trump supporters already feel that way when it happens to the left. How many people on the right came out hard against the Republican that assassinated 2 Democratic lawmakers in Minnesota? Did you? Trump said it was a "waste of time" to call the governor, Tim Walz, afterwards. Does that sound like turning down the temperature to you?
Look man, I take your point here. But the major difference is nobody knew who these MN lawmakers were. Everybody knew who Charlie Kirk was and he’s not a politician. He was able to amass a cult following akin to another non-politician, one Jon Stewart, who, while also condescending with his rhetoric toward those he disagreed with, also invited spirited, INFORMED, robust debate.
I have friends all across the political aisle. Yet, not once have I ever heard a Republican friend utter they wished an Obama or Biden were dead or that, had Jon Stewart been murdered in cold blood, it was “Karma” and he had it coming. I, myself, would be horrified if a great talent like a Stewart or Colbert were killed, in the name of politics especially.
Yet, here we have this thread with all kinds of vile Democratic FAFO and he deserved it, and I heard it from Lib friends all day. The most horrifying part are their Gen Z kids, trafficking in hate on their phones, unable to make eye contact, perpetually micro-aggressed, rudderless, nihilists with no moral compass saying Kirk deserved it. Sorry man, that’s completely reprehensible and unforgivable.
Again, blame Rs all you want, but do a little introspection first so you can maybe start to realize how we got here. Authoritarianism started long before now.
A person can deserve to be shot, and at the same time it could be unjust to shoot that person. I don’t think he deserved it, for the record. I think he was relatively harmless. He wasn’t gonna hold any sort of power with that face and saying the things he did.
It takes two hands to clap. Yes, Trump is obnoxious-but the left has had their moments numerous times since the late 80s. Examples-
Robert Bork's confirmation hearings.
Clarence Thomas's confirmation hearings.
The removal of the filibuster to pass some long forgotten progressive priority-but we now have a senate that votes 51-49 on most matters of critical importance instead of 60-40. Getting that extra 9 votes was critical in moderating extremism. When the tables turned, and conservative judges got nominated and confirmed to the supreme court-the left screamed bloody murder-and time to pack the court. They reaped what they sowed-and the country is poorer for it.
Voting on Obamacare-"We have to pass it to read it." See also Filibuster above.
The Steele Dossier
Obama set a new standard for executive orders to bypass congressional will.
The left has essentially declared war on our entire way of life in America. And they have shown they will use any means necessary, including military attacks and murder, to get what they have always wanted - which is the total destruction of America.
Yeah, so what? The left wants to make America great for the first time. The right wants to make America great for the top 2%.
Im betting my life that you have never said something that you regret or didn't mean? Maybe you were tired, sad, depressed..at the time and fired off. BUT it truly isn't who you are. Is this tribalism really worth it?
I want an end to the political violence. The right needs to do some introspection and realize they're the ones constantly turning up the temperature. If they can't do that, then we're only going to see more assassinations. That's not a tribalistic statement, because it's going to be tit-for-tat, and it already is. It's already going back and forth, with Jan 6th, then Trump getting shot at, the MN lawmakers being assassinated, and now Kirk being assassinated. My bet is a left-wing lawmakers or influencer is the next one to get assassinated by a Republican, and if the right doesn't condemn it as hard as Gavin Newsom (saying all political violence is reprehensible), then it's just going to keep happening.
That's why I don't want to glorify Kirk, because you're glorifying someone who advocated for political violence.
MAGA has been sending a lot of very conflicting signals about crime.
Over 1500 January 6 rioters were tried and convicted by juries of their peers. Trump pardoned them and called them heroes.
Ashli Babbit, who was in the act of committing treason when she was killed, will now be given a full military burial with honors.
Just a few days ago, they were calling for a public execution of the man who killed that Ukranian refugee. No trial needed -- just check the video.
A boatload of Venezuelans were executed with no proof at all that they were doing anything wrong.
Trump has consistently violated the Constitution in ways that no other president has.
Trump and MAGA have shown no respect for the rule of law. Is it any wonder that less than sane people see this and decide it's ok to take matters into their own hands?
MAGA has been sending a lot of very conflicting signals about crime.
Over 1500 January 6 rioters were tried and convicted by juries of their peers. Trump pardoned them and called them heroes.
Ashli Babbit, who was in the act of committing treason when she was killed, will now be given a full military burial with honors.
Just a few days ago, they were calling for a public execution of the man who killed that Ukranian refugee. No trial needed -- just check the video.
A boatload of Venezuelans were executed with no proof at all that they were doing anything wrong.
Trump has consistently violated the Constitution in ways that no other president has.
Trump and MAGA have shown no respect for the rule of law. Is it any wonder that less than sane people see this and decide it's ok to take matters into their own hands?
this is based and true. Honestly I'm approaching the point that the left shouldn't disavow violence until Trump disavows violence on both sides. He needs to do it without talking about BLM or Antifa or painting it all on the left. He needs to fully disavow all violence on all sides, and until he does that, I don't know why the left should disavow it.
To anyone who thinks that's insane, why is it insane to ask the president to disavow violence on all sides?
🚨Multiple accounts reporting they may have identified the Charlie Kirk shooter. 4chan intel identified suspect Skye Valadez - had a soundcloud with a track that was uploaded with a track a month ago titled "Charlie Kirk Dead at 31" - deleted the track and changed his location… pic.twitter.com/ByFcsaw7e9
Yeah, they, as in leftists, conveniently ignore what’s going on. Because they know it is a case of yet another leftist nutcase shooter. Quite possibly another crazed trans gunman. It’s amazing how many men on the left want to be women, how many enjoy sex with other men or with children. What happens to these people in childhood that makes so many of them this way? They become so spiteful and vicious as well, while of course denying this obvious fact. Just read through the thread. They feign tolerance but are anything but tolerant.
Isn't this a running forum? Why do we have 64 pages in around 24 hours about a youtuber's death, what does this have to do with running? Maybe I'm old man shouting at clouds, but why don't people just talk about this on any of the litany of social media platforms dominated by politics?
It takes two hands to clap. Yes, Trump is obnoxious-but the left has had their moments numerous times since the late 80s. Examples-
Robert Bork's confirmation hearings.
Clarence Thomas's confirmation hearings.
The removal of the filibuster to pass some long forgotten progressive priority-but we now have a senate that votes 51-49 on most matters of critical importance instead of 60-40. Getting that extra 9 votes was critical in moderating extremism. When the tables turned, and conservative judges got nominated and confirmed to the supreme court-the left screamed bloody murder-and time to pack the court. They reaped what they sowed-and the country is poorer for it.
Voting on Obamacare-"We have to pass it to read it." See also Filibuster above.
The Steele Dossier
Obama set a new standard for executive orders to bypass congressional will.
Well they didn’t undo the filibuster for legislation so I guess you don’t know a whole lot eh?
cult, it’s worse when a few of their nobody friends are not angry about Kirk than when current and former occupants of the White House who have millions of followers preach civil war.
Look man, I take your point here. But the major difference is nobody knew who these MN lawmakers were. Everybody knew who Charlie Kirk was and he’s not a politician. He was able to amass a cult following akin to another non-politician, one Jon Stewart, who, while also condescending with his rhetoric toward those he disagreed with, also invited spirited, INFORMED, robust debate.
I have friends all across the political aisle. Yet, not once have I ever heard a Republican friend utter they wished an Obama or Biden were dead or that, had Jon Stewart been murdered in cold blood, it was “Karma” and he had it coming. I, myself, would be horrified if a great talent like a Stewart or Colbert were killed, in the name of politics especially.
Yet, here we have this thread with all kinds of vile Democratic FAFO and he deserved it, and I heard it from Lib friends all day. The most horrifying part are their Gen Z kids, trafficking in hate on their phones, unable to make eye contact, perpetually micro-aggressed, rudderless, nihilists with no moral compass saying Kirk deserved it. Sorry man, that’s completely reprehensible and unforgivable.
Again, blame Rs all you want, but do a little introspection first so you can maybe start to realize how we got here. Authoritarianism started long before now.
A person can deserve to be shot, and at the same time it could be unjust to shoot that person. I don’t think he deserved it, for the record. I think he was relatively harmless. He wasn’t gonna hold any sort of power with that face and saying the things he did.
MAGA has been sending a lot of very conflicting signals about crime.
Over 1500 January 6 rioters were tried and convicted by juries of their peers. Trump pardoned them and called them heroes.
Ashli Babbit, who was in the act of committing treason when she was killed, will now be given a full military burial with honors.
Just a few days ago, they were calling for a public execution of the man who killed that Ukranian refugee. No trial needed -- just check the video.
A boatload of Venezuelans were executed with no proof at all that they were doing anything wrong.
Trump has consistently violated the Constitution in ways that no other president has.
Trump and MAGA have shown no respect for the rule of law. Is it any wonder that less than sane people see this and decide it's ok to take matters into their own hands?
this is based and true. Honestly I'm approaching the point that the left shouldn't disavow violence until Trump disavows violence on both sides. He needs to do it without talking about BLM or Antifa or painting it all on the left. He needs to fully disavow all violence on all sides, and until he does that, I don't know why the left should disavow it.
To anyone who thinks that's insane, why is it insane to ask the president to disavow violence on all sides?
You SEE what you want to see. Except you don't bc you are way too brilliant for this
It takes two hands to clap. Yes, Trump is obnoxious-but the left has had their moments numerous times since the late 80s. Examples-
Robert Bork's confirmation hearings.
Clarence Thomas's confirmation hearings.
The removal of the filibuster to pass some long forgotten progressive priority-but we now have a senate that votes 51-49 on most matters of critical importance instead of 60-40. Getting that extra 9 votes was critical in moderating extremism. When the tables turned, and conservative judges got nominated and confirmed to the supreme court-the left screamed bloody murder-and time to pack the court. They reaped what they sowed-and the country is poorer for it.
Voting on Obamacare-"We have to pass it to read it." See also Filibuster above.
The Steele Dossier
Obama set a new standard for executive orders to bypass congressional will.
Filibuster changes are one of the worst things to happen in Congress. It gets rid of true compromise.
Trump is the modern leader in using EOs to bypass Congress. Many of them have been maligned in the courts.
Nobody cares about your stupid anecdotes. You’ve Previously shown yourself to make up stories here on this forum.
right wingers have called for the death of all sorts of Democrats. Called for the lynching of Obama. Hell, they even called for hanging Mike Pence. right wingers called for retribution and war in response to this very shooting.
So spare us the stupid “I never heard right when people say something Der, Der, Der”
Hell Kirk himself said he was OK with stoning transpeople.
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