Is there a way you could post the screenshot on here? This is hilarious. If they are going to cheat on a video game what else are they willing to cheat on?
Maybe some leftover steroids or opioids from his bike accident.. maybe some ADHD or thyroid meds (prescribed by a doctor of course).. maybe maybe maybe. In my experience people who lie about little things also lie about big things.
Also, the 50 fastest times ever run at WSER are held by 36 different men. 10 of them have raced Leadville. Obviously, none have run as fast as Roche there. I'm not defending him, just trying to put his performance into perspective.
Thats another good tidbit. Curious, out of those 10 how many of them did the double (WSER+LT100)?
I'd add that most/all golden ticket races are more competitive than LT100
This may be true but the 1st, 2nd and 5th place finishes from last summer's Leadville have since earned Golden Tickets to this years Western States. Leadville is not as competitive as Western States or UTMB, but is more competitive than most other 100 mile races in the US. Hardrock will usually have a higher level on the podium but 5-10 at Leadville and Hardrock are pretty comparable. The Hardrock CR is also held by a masters runner.
One doesn't have to win a Golden Ticket race to get a Golden Ticket though. That means some of these guys are getting 2nd place or even 3rd place in a Golden Ticket race to still earn at spot at Western States.
If you knew anything about Hardrock you'd mention that there is not a "single CR" as there is both a counter clockwise CR and a clockwise CR since they change directions every year.
The Kilians and Jims and Zach Millers and Francois of the world could all probably lower that Leadville 100 record by quite a bit. Heck even Anton Krupicka probably had a legit shot at this record 15 years ago if he didn't overtrain so much and took more than a couple gels during the race. Some people mistakenly held it in the same awe as Matt Carpenter's Pikes Peak Marathon Record. But it's not even in the same realm.
Let's just say Matty Carpenter was never even close to a 4:00 miler or a sub 14:00 for 5km kind of runner. So for Roche to even mention those at "benchmarks" is just all the more ridiculous.
I think people are getting too tied up fully declaring that someone either good or a fraud. The David and Megan situation is far more complex.
Positives
- They are both really talented athletes who train in a smart way and have results to show for it. David in particular is seeing results right now because he is at the cutting edge of implementing lot of advances that are happening right now. Super shoes, bicarb, high carb intake, heat training and even cooling during races. He is checking every performance box possible.
- They both have a decent sized stable of elite trail athletes who are apparently happy with their coaching. Based on interviews, these athletes are receiving personalized attention to solve their problems and the number of their elite athletes running well in recent Golden Ticket races tells the story. This is definitely tilted towards female runners, I suspect because of their personalities and their embrace of cross training to avoid overuse injuries like stress fractures.
Negatives
- The number of coached athletes below those elites means that runners without elite potential are clearly not getting really any personalized attention. This has led to bad experiences and most of the coaching complaints. Of course they won't fix this because it directly impacts their income far more than the elites.
- They have an obnoxiously over the top positive 16 year old girl schtick that they would claim is focused on building community, but really it's focused on attracting new low level coaching clients that provide revenue with little time investment. This applies to the YT videos, the podcast, the Huzzah app and any other medium. It's frankly bordering on the cult/grifter line, and absolutely repulsive to everyone that doesn't like the schtick.
Bottom line: No one should ever sign up for their coaching as an average sub-elite runner. You just aren't going to get much attention from them unless they think you are a future elite.
As an athlete, David is likely going to make things interesting at WSER this year, but I doubt he will podium because his competitors are also checking most if not all of those performance boxes at this point. Jim, Killian(if he qualifies), Hayden Hawks and Dan Jones should all be favorites over him with other athletes like Rod Farvard, Vincent Boulliard(if he qualifies) and Seth Ruhling on no worse then equal footing. Should be a fun race!
Indano wrote:The Kilians and Jims and Zach Millers and Francois of the world could all probably lower that Leadville 100 record by quite a bit. Heck even Anton Krupicka probably had a legit shot at this record 15 years ago if he didn't overtrain so much and took more than a couple gels during the race. Some people mistakenly held it in the same awe as Matt Carpenter's Pikes Peak Marathon Record. But it's not even in the same realm.
This is hardly groundbreaking. Even David said at the time that he thinks Jim is capable of at least 30 minutes faster than his CR at Leadville.
I think people are getting too tied up fully declaring that someone either good or a fraud. The David and Megan situation is far more complex.
Positives
- They are both really talented athletes who train in a smart way and have results to show for it. David in particular is seeing results right now because he is at the cutting edge of implementing lot of advances that are happening right now. Super shoes, bicarb, high carb intake, heat training and even cooling during races. He is checking every performance box possible.
- They both have a decent sized stable of elite trail athletes who are apparently happy with their coaching. Based on interviews, these athletes are receiving personalized attention to solve their problems and the number of their elite athletes running well in recent Golden Ticket races tells the story. This is definitely tilted towards female runners, I suspect because of their personalities and their embrace of cross training to avoid overuse injuries like stress fractures.
Negatives
- The number of coached athletes below those elites means that runners without elite potential are clearly not getting really any personalized attention. This has led to bad experiences and most of the coaching complaints. Of course they won't fix this because it directly impacts their income far more than the elites.
- They have an obnoxiously over the top positive 16 year old girl schtick that they would claim is focused on building community, but really it's focused on attracting new low level coaching clients that provide revenue with little time investment. This applies to the YT videos, the podcast, the Huzzah app and any other medium. It's frankly bordering on the cult/grifter line, and absolutely repulsive to everyone that doesn't like the schtick.
Bottom line: No one should ever sign up for their coaching as an average sub-elite runner. You just aren't going to get much attention from them unless they think you are a future elite.
As an athlete, David is likely going to make things interesting at WSER this year, but I doubt he will podium because his competitors are also checking most if not all of those performance boxes at this point. Jim, Killian(if he qualifies), Hayden Hawks and Dan Jones should all be favorites over him with other athletes like Rod Farvard, Vincent Boulliard(if he qualifies) and Seth Ruhling on no worse then equal footing. Should be a fun race!
You forgot the consistent lying about workouts, both running and biking
Bottom line: No one should ever sign up for their coaching as an average sub-elite runner. You just aren't going to get much attention from them unless they think you are a future elite.
As an athlete, David is likely going to make things interesting at WSER this year, but I doubt he will podium because his competitors are also checking most if not all of those performance boxes at this point. Jim, Killian(if he qualifies), Hayden Hawks and Dan Jones should all be favorites over him with other athletes like Rod Farvard, Vincent Boulliard(if he qualifies) and Seth Ruhling on no worse then equal footing. Should be a fun race!
I think people are getting too tied up fully declaring that someone either good or a fraud. The David and Megan situation is far more complex.
Positives
- They are both really talented athletes who train in a smart way and have results to show for it. David in particular is seeing results right now because he is at the cutting edge of implementing lot of advances that are happening right now. Super shoes, bicarb, high carb intake, heat training and even cooling during races. He is checking every performance box possible.
- They both have a decent sized stable of elite trail athletes who are apparently happy with their coaching. Based on interviews, these athletes are receiving personalized attention to solve their problems and the number of their elite athletes running well in recent Golden Ticket races tells the story. This is definitely tilted towards female runners, I suspect because of their personalities and their embrace of cross training to avoid overuse injuries like stress fractures.
Negatives
- The number of coached athletes below those elites means that runners without elite potential are clearly not getting really any personalized attention. This has led to bad experiences and most of the coaching complaints. Of course they won't fix this because it directly impacts their income far more than the elites.
- They have an obnoxiously over the top positive 16 year old girl schtick that they would claim is focused on building community, but really it's focused on attracting new low level coaching clients that provide revenue with little time investment. This applies to the YT videos, the podcast, the Huzzah app and any other medium. It's frankly bordering on the cult/grifter line, and absolutely repulsive to everyone that doesn't like the schtick.
Bottom line: No one should ever sign up for their coaching as an average sub-elite runner. You just aren't going to get much attention from them unless they think you are a future elite.
As an athlete, David is likely going to make things interesting at WSER this year, but I doubt he will podium because his competitors are also checking most if not all of those performance boxes at this point. Jim, Killian(if he qualifies), Hayden Hawks and Dan Jones should all be favorites over him with other athletes like Rod Farvard, Vincent Boulliard(if he qualifies) and Seth Ruhling on no worse then equal footing. Should be a fun race!
You forgot the consistent lying about workouts, both running and biking
And pretending to be a chatbot to insult his critics instead of actually addressing the criticism like an adult.
I really appreciate this level headed take. I don’t think they’re accepting new athletes right now, though, so their podcast and YT videos don’t seem to be to attract more paying athletes. Overall though, this is the best take I’ve seen on this thread that actually considers positives and negatives!
I really appreciate this level headed take. I don’t think they’re accepting new athletes right now, though, so their podcast and YT videos don’t seem to be to attract more paying athletes. Overall though, this is the best take I’ve seen on this thread that actually considers positives and negatives!
Well, I'm back for my weekly-ish check-in on the insanity that is this thread. And I've been another one who has weighed in mostly to defend the Roches while acknowledging some of the silliness.
To wit: every accusation that "David lied!" has been debunked, including that David ever said he could run a sub-4 min mile or that he lied about his football background, or that he claimed he could run sub-28, etc etc. The time-stuff was aspirational, such as "I need to be in sub-4 shape." He also never "lied" about his treadmill workouts. He posted them and all kinds of nefarious motivations were attributed to them. He acknowledged that they probably didn't translate to outside (note to David: they definitely didn't), but the angry mob on here seems to want him to put a disclaimer on every Strava upload.
I've said repeatedly that David is delusional if he thinks he is ever going to be in sub-4 shape. No f-ing way does he have that in his wheelhouse. Nor sub-28, though again he never said that. Can he win Western States? It's not ridiculous on its face but I wouldn't see him as the favorite
I also think the "I love you" stuff is a bit much but whatever. There are worse things. I watched the latest video and I found his commentary to be getting super old but, again, whatever.
I also said that it sucks if people had bad experiences with them as an online coaches. I had the same with an online coach, i.e., no individualization. Caveat emptor. As pointed out, he's apparently not taking on new athletes and I don't see this as a hanging offense.
So literally nothing on this now 64-page thread has risen to the level of "liar" or "fraud" and I'm still waiting. Most every accusation is either untrue or wildly exaggerated. Let's not even start with the accusations of PED use, encouraging eating disorders, etc.
I'm not going to go back every post since I was last on here (last week), but I skimmed through:
David uploading to Strava sometimes from his watch and sometimes from his phone isn't proof of anything. I glanced and found some of the harder workouts were from his watch and some from his phone. Maybe there's a "nefarious" reason but it's hilarious how frenzied the response was as if it was a smoking gun in and of itself.
Got a good laugh from the guy who said David cheats on Zwift because he calculated that David input his weight at 128 lbs (I think it was?) but weighs 20 lbs more. If those were or are close to the right numbers, the accuser is delusional. No way does David weigh close to 150. 130-ish looks right. He's not tall and is rail thin. Megan was supposedly calculated at 100 or so. If that's true, (a) I'd also believe that's close when she's not 8 weeks post-partum, and (b) oh, by the way, don't be an a-hole about a woman who just gave birth and isn't exactly racing on Zwift.
I do have a theory on why David said he wants to be in sub-4 shape when he gets to the starting line, which, again, is ridiculous but doesn't make him a liar or a fraud. Watching the last hill-workout video and seeing how into Strava David is made me think that he believes GAP on Strava (grade adjusted pace) is a real thing. It's not, and it's infamously overly-generous to uphill running. But he has done some uphill stuff that is sub-4 GAP, and given his lack of track background I can't help but think that he might actually believe it translates. But I'm speculating and really shouldn't be given the context of this thread. :)
Well, I'm back for my weekly-ish check-in on the insanity that is this thread. And I've been another one who has weighed in mostly to defend the Roches while acknowledging some of the silliness.
To wit: every accusation that "David lied!" has been debunked, including that David ever said he could run a sub-4 min mile or that he lied about his football background, or that he claimed he could run sub-28, etc etc. The time-stuff was aspirational, such as "I need to be in sub-4 shape." He also never "lied" about his treadmill workouts. He posted them and all kinds of nefarious motivations were attributed to them. He acknowledged that they probably didn't translate to outside (note to David: they definitely didn't), but the angry mob on here seems to want him to put a disclaimer on every Strava upload.
I've said repeatedly that David is delusional if he thinks he is ever going to be in sub-4 shape. No f-ing way does he have that in his wheelhouse. Nor sub-28, though again he never said that. Can he win Western States? It's not ridiculous on its face but I wouldn't see him as the favorite
I also think the "I love you" stuff is a bit much but whatever. There are worse things. I watched the latest video and I found his commentary to be getting super old but, again, whatever.
I also said that it sucks if people had bad experiences with them as an online coaches. I had the same with an online coach, i.e., no individualization. Caveat emptor. As pointed out, he's apparently not taking on new athletes and I don't see this as a hanging offense.
So literally nothing on this now 64-page thread has risen to the level of "liar" or "fraud" and I'm still waiting. Most every accusation is either untrue or wildly exaggerated. Let's not even start with the accusations of PED use, encouraging eating disorders, etc.
I'm not going to go back every post since I was last on here (last week), but I skimmed through:
David uploading to Strava sometimes from his watch and sometimes from his phone isn't proof of anything. I glanced and found some of the harder workouts were from his watch and some from his phone. Maybe there's a "nefarious" reason but it's hilarious how frenzied the response was as if it was a smoking gun in and of itself.
Got a good laugh from the guy who said David cheats on Zwift because he calculated that David input his weight at 128 lbs (I think it was?) but weighs 20 lbs more. If those were or are close to the right numbers, the accuser is delusional. No way does David weigh close to 150. 130-ish looks right. He's not tall and is rail thin. Megan was supposedly calculated at 100 or so. If that's true, (a) I'd also believe that's close when she's not 8 weeks post-partum, and (b) oh, by the way, don't be an a-hole about a woman who just gave birth and isn't exactly racing on Zwift.
I do have a theory on why David said he wants to be in sub-4 shape when he gets to the starting line, which, again, is ridiculous but doesn't make him a liar or a fraud. Watching the last hill-workout video and seeing how into Strava David is made me think that he believes GAP on Strava (grade adjusted pace) is a real thing. It's not, and it's infamously overly-generous to uphill running. But he has done some uphill stuff that is sub-4 GAP, and given his lack of track background I can't help but think that he might actually believe it translates. But I'm speculating and really shouldn't be given the context of this thread. :)
If it was only one or two of those things you listed then yeah I'd agree.. just give the man the benefit of the doubt.. but all of it?!?! Nah.. I'm a realist. He lies to look better. He betrays low level clients for money. He is maybe a *bit* delusional about his paces (eg. GAP) but he *knows* he isn't in the shape he claims to be in. And there's no way Megan was ever under 100lbs. I'll give her 110lbs..before pregnancy.
If it was only one or two of those things you listed then yeah I'd agree.. just give the man the benefit of the doubt.. but all of it?!?! Nah.. I'm a realist. He lies to look better. He betrays low level clients for money. He is maybe a *bit* delusional about his paces (eg. GAP) but he *knows* he isn't in the shape he claims to be in. And there's no way Megan was ever under 100lbs. I'll give her 110lbs..before pregnancy.
Exactly. Multiple times a week he posts workout splits that he knows he is not running. If that’s not lying then I don’t know what is
If it was only one or two of those things you listed then yeah I'd agree.. just give the man the benefit of the doubt.. but all of it?!?! Nah.. I'm a realist. He lies to look better. He betrays low level clients for money. He is maybe a *bit* delusional about his paces (eg. GAP) but he *knows* he isn't in the shape he claims to be in. And there's no way Megan was ever under 100lbs. I'll give her 110lbs..before pregnancy.
Agree, if he were a weightlifter influencer deciding to run and rattling off crazy paces I could actually forgive a lot of the puffery (as excitement, naivety, etc.), but he's putting himself out there as the most educated/scientific running coach. he knows better. and you all know he knows better.
I really appreciate this level headed take. I don’t think they’re accepting new athletes right now, though, so their podcast and YT videos don’t seem to be to attract more paying athletes. Overall though, this is the best take I’ve seen on this thread that actually considers positives and negatives!
Well, I'm back for my weekly-ish check-in on the insanity that is this thread. And I've been another one who has weighed in mostly to defend the Roches while acknowledging some of the silliness.
To wit: every accusation that "David lied!" has been debunked, including that David ever said he could run a sub-4 min mile or that he lied about his football background, or that he claimed he could run sub-28, etc etc. The time-stuff was aspirational, such as "I need to be in sub-4 shape." He also never "lied" about his treadmill workouts. He posted them and all kinds of nefarious motivations were attributed to them. He acknowledged that they probably didn't translate to outside (note to David: they definitely didn't), but the angry mob on here seems to want him to put a disclaimer on every Strava upload.
I've said repeatedly that David is delusional if he thinks he is ever going to be in sub-4 shape. No f-ing way does he have that in his wheelhouse. Nor sub-28, though again he never said that. Can he win Western States? It's not ridiculous on its face but I wouldn't see him as the favorite
I also think the "I love you" stuff is a bit much but whatever. There are worse things. I watched the latest video and I found his commentary to be getting super old but, again, whatever.
I also said that it sucks if people had bad experiences with them as an online coaches. I had the same with an online coach, i.e., no individualization. Caveat emptor. As pointed out, he's apparently not taking on new athletes and I don't see this as a hanging offense.
So literally nothing on this now 64-page thread has risen to the level of "liar" or "fraud" and I'm still waiting. Most every accusation is either untrue or wildly exaggerated. Let's not even start with the accusations of PED use, encouraging eating disorders, etc.
I'm not going to go back every post since I was last on here (last week), but I skimmed through:
David uploading to Strava sometimes from his watch and sometimes from his phone isn't proof of anything. I glanced and found some of the harder workouts were from his watch and some from his phone. Maybe there's a "nefarious" reason but it's hilarious how frenzied the response was as if it was a smoking gun in and of itself.
Got a good laugh from the guy who said David cheats on Zwift because he calculated that David input his weight at 128 lbs (I think it was?) but weighs 20 lbs more. If those were or are close to the right numbers, the accuser is delusional. No way does David weigh close to 150. 130-ish looks right. He's not tall and is rail thin. Megan was supposedly calculated at 100 or so. If that's true, (a) I'd also believe that's close when she's not 8 weeks post-partum, and (b) oh, by the way, don't be an a-hole about a woman who just gave birth and isn't exactly racing on Zwift.
I do have a theory on why David said he wants to be in sub-4 shape when he gets to the starting line, which, again, is ridiculous but doesn't make him a liar or a fraud. Watching the last hill-workout video and seeing how into Strava David is made me think that he believes GAP on Strava (grade adjusted pace) is a real thing. It's not, and it's infamously overly-generous to uphill running. But he has done some uphill stuff that is sub-4 GAP, and given his lack of track background I can't help but think that he might actually believe it translates. But I'm speculating and really shouldn't be given the context of this thread. :)
Great closing argument! You must be a defense attorney. (A bad one)
I really appreciate this level headed take. I don’t think they’re accepting new athletes right now, though, so their podcast and YT videos don’t seem to be to attract more paying athletes. Overall though, this is the best take I’ve seen on this thread that actually considers positives and negatives!
Well, I'm back for my weekly-ish check-in on the insanity that is this thread. And I've been another one who has weighed in mostly to defend the Roches while acknowledging some of the silliness.
To wit: every accusation that "David lied!" has been debunked, including that David ever said he could run a sub-4 min mile or that he lied about his football background, or that he claimed he could run sub-28, etc etc. The time-stuff was aspirational, such as "I need to be in sub-4 shape." He also never "lied" about his treadmill workouts. He posted them and all kinds of nefarious motivations were attributed to them. He acknowledged that they probably didn't translate to outside (note to David: they definitely didn't), but the angry mob on here seems to want him to put a disclaimer on every Strava upload.
I've said repeatedly that David is delusional if he thinks he is ever going to be in sub-4 shape. No f-ing way does he have that in his wheelhouse. Nor sub-28, though again he never said that. Can he win Western States? It's not ridiculous on its face but I wouldn't see him as the favorite
I also think the "I love you" stuff is a bit much but whatever. There are worse things. I watched the latest video and I found his commentary to be getting super old but, again, whatever.
I also said that it sucks if people had bad experiences with them as an online coaches. I had the same with an online coach, i.e., no individualization. Caveat emptor. As pointed out, he's apparently not taking on new athletes and I don't see this as a hanging offense.
So literally nothing on this now 64-page thread has risen to the level of "liar" or "fraud" and I'm still waiting. Most every accusation is either untrue or wildly exaggerated. Let's not even start with the accusations of PED use, encouraging eating disorders, etc.
I'm not going to go back every post since I was last on here (last week), but I skimmed through:
David uploading to Strava sometimes from his watch and sometimes from his phone isn't proof of anything. I glanced and found some of the harder workouts were from his watch and some from his phone. Maybe there's a "nefarious" reason but it's hilarious how frenzied the response was as if it was a smoking gun in and of itself.
Got a good laugh from the guy who said David cheats on Zwift because he calculated that David input his weight at 128 lbs (I think it was?) but weighs 20 lbs more. If those were or are close to the right numbers, the accuser is delusional. No way does David weigh close to 150. 130-ish looks right. He's not tall and is rail thin. Megan was supposedly calculated at 100 or so. If that's true, (a) I'd also believe that's close when she's not 8 weeks post-partum, and (b) oh, by the way, don't be an a-hole about a woman who just gave birth and isn't exactly racing on Zwift.
I do have a theory on why David said he wants to be in sub-4 shape when he gets to the starting line, which, again, is ridiculous but doesn't make him a liar or a fraud. Watching the last hill-workout video and seeing how into Strava David is made me think that he believes GAP on Strava (grade adjusted pace) is a real thing. It's not, and it's infamously overly-generous to uphill running. But he has done some uphill stuff that is sub-4 GAP, and given his lack of track background I can't help but think that he might actually believe it translates. But I'm speculating and really shouldn't be given the context of this thread. :)
Nothing has been “debunked.” For you to say there’s nothing here is totally false. You actually haven’t dug into the criticisms. Dismissing them doesn’t make them untrue. People with direct experience and encounters with the Roches have commented. Words from the Roches’ very own mouths have actually been uttered and NEVER backed up by performance.
It’s stupid that you are unwilling to see the manipulation behind using Strava app outside and his watch for the treadmill. Everyone else knows why he does that. Do you really think it’s fair that they never once have said they were wrong about anything?
It’s also stupid for you to think that it’s just fine to make big bold claims about transparency and NO SECRETS! But then they are very secretive about how much they actually train. They tell their athletes and followers one thing and do another. How insulting to their audience for them to give them the message that they can’t handle the necessary training, or that the honest truth is you need way more hours to be an elite.
Cheating on Zwift is rampant, but as good athletes committed to training, they shouldn’t. If Megan didn’t want to change her weight on Zwift (she’s more than 110 lb pre pregnancy btw), that’s fine. But she makes posts bragging about her times (based on w/kg). Nothing to see there? Really? If they weren’t public figures, people would think they’re dumb but not care. But they want people to follow and trust them.
Their behavior does not support what they’re selling. They actually distort the truth for personal gain. That’s NOT a good quality in a coach or an influencer. People have a right to know about all of that and make a choice for themselves, and not have mean people like you, who say “nothing to see here.” And yes, you are a f-ing a**hole for how you’ve treated people here. You are mean. No wonder you like the Roches.
If it was only one or two of those things you listed then yeah I'd agree.. just give the man the benefit of the doubt.. but all of it?!?! Nah.. I'm a realist. He lies to look better. He betrays low level clients for money. He is maybe a *bit* delusional about his paces (eg. GAP) but he *knows* he isn't in the shape he claims to be in. And there's no way Megan was ever under 100lbs. I'll give her 110lbs..before pregnancy.
Exactly. Multiple times a week he posts workout splits that he knows he is not running. If that’s not lying then I don’t know what is
“Umm…no”’s retort to this is always, “David isn’t saying he’s running these times, he’s just posting them.”
Nothing has been “debunked.” For you to say there’s nothing here is totally false. You actually haven’t dug into the criticisms. Dismissing them doesn’t make them untrue. People with direct experience and encounters with the Roches have commented. Words from the Roches’ very own mouths have actually been uttered and NEVER backed up by performance.
It’s stupid that you are unwilling to see the manipulation behind using Strava app outside and his watch for the treadmill. Everyone else knows why he does that. Do you really think it’s fair that they never once have said they were wrong about anything?
It’s also stupid for you to think that it’s just fine to make big bold claims about transparency and NO SECRETS! But then they are very secretive about how much they actually train. They tell their athletes and followers one thing and do another. How insulting to their audience for them to give them the message that they can’t handle the necessary training, or that the honest truth is you need way more hours to be an elite.
Cheating on Zwift is rampant, but as good athletes committed to training, they shouldn’t. If Megan didn’t want to change her weight on Zwift (she’s more than 110 lb pre pregnancy btw), that’s fine. But she makes posts bragging about her times (based on w/kg). Nothing to see there? Really? If they weren’t public figures, people would think they’re dumb but not care. But they want people to follow and trust them.
Their behavior does not support what they’re selling. They actually distort the truth for personal gain. That’s NOT a good quality in a coach or an influencer. People have a right to know about all of that and make a choice for themselves, and not have mean people like you, who say “nothing to see here.” And yes, you are a f-ing a**hole for how you’ve treated people here. You are mean. No wonder you like the Roches.
Pretty sure I've debunked every accusation made throughout the course of this thread. Like I said, I've checked in every week or so. It's not worth my or your time for me to rehash every single one. I haven't changed my handle so go back and look.
And your comment that "everyone else knows why he does that" is exactly the stuff i'm talking about. You have your theories, but, no, none of you knows why he does that. If he were carrying both watch and phone, maybe one's GPS glitched (it happens). Maybe he thought one was more accurate than the other. Maybe one's battery died. Sure, it could be as you have accused him, but you don't *know* that. Plus this is peanuts-level stuff. Even if it were true, it's a so-what.
Oh, it's absurd for you to think there's some "gotcha" that they're somehow secretive about how they train. One recent podcast he recounted the whole week's training and a small bit of it wasn't on Strava. If he were being secretive, he wouldn't have recounted the whole week's training on the podcast. See how that works?
And to the guy who said "it's not just one or two things but all the things," I'll repeat: there haven't been a bunch of things except in the feverish minds of the posters on here. Like I said, come back with something real. If there is real evidence of "fraud" and "lies," I'm not going to defend the guy (believe it or not).
Nothing has been “debunked.” For you to say there’s nothing here is totally false. You actually haven’t dug into the criticisms. Dismissing them doesn’t make them untrue. People with direct experience and encounters with the Roches have commented. Words from the Roches’ very own mouths have actually been uttered and NEVER backed up by performance.
It’s stupid that you are unwilling to see the manipulation behind using Strava app outside and his watch for the treadmill. Everyone else knows why he does that. Do you really think it’s fair that they never once have said they were wrong about anything?
It’s also stupid for you to think that it’s just fine to make big bold claims about transparency and NO SECRETS! But then they are very secretive about how much they actually train. They tell their athletes and followers one thing and do another. How insulting to their audience for them to give them the message that they can’t handle the necessary training, or that the honest truth is you need way more hours to be an elite.
Cheating on Zwift is rampant, but as good athletes committed to training, they shouldn’t. If Megan didn’t want to change her weight on Zwift (she’s more than 110 lb pre pregnancy btw), that’s fine. But she makes posts bragging about her times (based on w/kg). Nothing to see there? Really? If they weren’t public figures, people would think they’re dumb but not care. But they want people to follow and trust them.
Their behavior does not support what they’re selling. They actually distort the truth for personal gain. That’s NOT a good quality in a coach or an influencer. People have a right to know about all of that and make a choice for themselves, and not have mean people like you, who say “nothing to see here.” And yes, you are a f-ing a**hole for how you’ve treated people here. You are mean. No wonder you like the Roches.
Pretty sure I've debunked every accusation made throughout the course of this thread. Like I said, I've checked in every week or so. It's not worth my or your time for me to rehash every single one. I haven't changed my handle so go back and look.
And your comment that "everyone else knows why he does that" is exactly the stuff i'm talking about. You have your theories, but, no, none of you knows why he does that. If he were carrying both watch and phone, maybe one's GPS glitched (it happens). Maybe he thought one was more accurate than the other. Maybe one's battery died. Sure, it could be as you have accused him, but you don't *know* that. Plus this is peanuts-level stuff. Even if it were true, it's a so-what.
Oh, it's absurd for you to think there's some "gotcha" that they're somehow secretive about how they train. One recent podcast he recounted the whole week's training and a small bit of it wasn't on Strava. If he were being secretive, he wouldn't have recounted the whole week's training on the podcast. See how that works?
And to the guy who said "it's not just one or two things but all the things," I'll repeat: there haven't been a bunch of things except in the feverish minds of the posters on here. Like I said, come back with something real. If there is real evidence of "fraud" and "lies," I'm not going to defend the guy (believe it or not).
if you don't know what a lie is and/or you're being willfully ignorant, then that's on you. But don't expect us to believe your stupid bullsh*t