This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Totally fine. The vaccine has been shown to give great protection against severe disease even against novel strains. this is one area where omicron infective immunity falls short. It simply doesn’t confer the appropriate breadth. Without vaccines a new omicron-like strain would be likely quite serious.
You don’t think omicron was quite serious even with vaccines? Granted, it obviously would have been worse without that protection, but I consider the death toll from that wave devastating worldwide.
You really think that with only 17% uptake with the bivalent, the US would be fine with an omicron-like variant emerging? The US wasn’t fine when omicron hit with a 60% vaccination rate.
I think the 3 vaccine series gives great protection that reduces the risk of COVID to be similar to other common respiratory diseases (from much, much worse). I’m comfortable with that, although I hope we keep researching to find even better vaccines, no reason to stop at “very good.”
You don’t think omicron was quite serious even with vaccines? Granted, it obviously would have been worse without that protection, but I consider the death toll from that wave devastating worldwide.
You really think that with only 17% uptake with the bivalent, the US would be fine with an omicron-like variant emerging? The US wasn’t fine when omicron hit with a 60% vaccination rate.
I think the 3 vaccine series gives great protection that reduces the risk of COVID to be similar to other common respiratory diseases (from much, much worse). I’m comfortable with that, although I hope we keep researching to find even better vaccines, no reason to stop at “very good.”
Interesting. No yearly boosters necessary, eh? Enough protection from just 2021 series of shots.
I think the 3 vaccine series gives great protection that reduces the risk of COVID to be similar to other common respiratory diseases (from much, much worse). I’m comfortable with that, although I hope we keep researching to find even better vaccines, no reason to stop at “very good.”
Interesting. No yearly boosters necessary, eh? Enough protection from just 2021 series of shots.
If you feel you’re suitably high risk then yearly jabs are likely going to be worth it? But it’s hard to say and the data are not clear. The majority of people seem to be doing well off the original series.
Interesting. No yearly boosters necessary, eh? Enough protection from just 2021 series of shots.
If you feel you’re suitably high risk then yearly jabs are likely going to be worth it? But it’s hard to say and the data are not clear. The majority of people seem to be doing well off the original series.
What are we at now? 30-35% protection from severe disease/death with initial 2021 2 plus booster?
The “majority” of people seemed to do well with Covid during the entire pandemic, but some 20 million people died from Covid. At this point, would you recommend only high risk get vaccinated or just high risk as you stated earlier?
Scientists are guilty of the above as well, just not nearly as much as doctors because they are trained to avoid it. Was your dad a doctor or something lol?
Let’s be honest. What scientists are fundamentally trained to do is get published or have there patents accepted. That’s really the bottom line driving things, because without this, you won’t have a career to speak of.
This only requires avoiding your biases from being too out in the open and obvious, or having them just be whatever crazy concepts or methods the community accepts (see evolutionary psychology for proof of concept). The amount of times in a lab that I have seen data re-run because the results weren’t what was “expected” (read: publishable) tells you what you need to know.
It’s a business, one the regulatory agencies are a part of. Does that mean that nothing produced is real or safe? Of course not. But it makes distinguishing what is from what isn’t fairly impossible when the tests designed to do that very thing are no longer reliable.
Yeah, definitely long Covid, especially when he set the record for grand slam final singles appearances and you are calling his competition inferior, even though he ultimately lost to the TOP seed.
Epic match. Djokovic makes two routine shots in the second set tiebreak, and he wins the match. But 20 year old legs are younger, now matter how pure Djokovic’s blood is, and multiple SECOND shot winners at 120+ mph and aggressive play won it for Alcaraz. Good for him. Have to admire the way he played.
NoVax is still the goat, has a few more finals titles left, and no one will take his record. Goat. Smart man. Amazing legacy. Victim of Machiavellian tyrants who couldn’t recognize natural immunity as meaningful in a young, athletic person because orthodoxy, dogma, and authoritarianism mattered more. Shameful.
Novak is a great player. But, a GOAT doesn’t fold like a lawn chair when his legacy is on the line. Case closed
We can only imagine how he might have handled the pressure were his cognitive functions at 100%. Long COVID from an unvaxxed infection obviously on display.
You are deliberately dense and myopic. Most grand slam singles titles in history, despite Machiavellian tyrants denying him the chance for two more. Almost beats the #1 seed at Wimbledon but for one miscue in the fifth set to break serve (hint - it was too easy & unexpected, hence the mistake, did you even watch???).
Goat. Epic legacy. You just can’t stand that he refused the vax, argued that his natural immunity conferred from prior infection was good enough. He’s right of course. Showed the way for a great many other young, fit humans.
Novak is a great player. But, a GOAT doesn’t fold like a lawn chair when his legacy is on the line. Case closed
We can only imagine how he might have handled the pressure were his cognitive functions at 100%. Long COVID from an unvaxxed infection obviously on display.
You are deliberately dense and myopic. Most grand slam singles titles in history, despite Machiavellian tyrants denying him the chance for two more. Almost beats the #1 seed at Wimbledon but for one miscue in the fifth set to break serve (hint - it was too easy & unexpected, hence the mistake, did you even watch???).
Goat. Epic legacy. You just can’t stand that he refused the vax, argued that his natural immunity conferred from prior infection was good enough. He’s right of course. Showed the way for a great many other young, fit humans.
2) not even the #1 seed
3) folds like a lawn chair when his legacy is on the line
If you feel you’re suitably high risk then yearly jabs are likely going to be worth it? But it’s hard to say and the data are not clear. The majority of people seem to be doing well off the original series.
What are we at now? 30-35% protection from severe disease/death with initial 2021 2 plus booster?
The “majority” of people seemed to do well with Covid during the entire pandemic, but some 20 million people died from Covid. At this point, would you recommend only high risk get vaccinated or just high risk as you stated earlier?
Those numbers are heavily confounded. The CFR has fallen dramatically to be in line with flu and others. There are plenty of people who would benefit from regular boosting but the primary series lowers the risk to “acceptable” levels for most people. Acceptable being “in line with other common respiratory diseases. Talk to your doctor - as long as they aren’t one of those kooky antivaxx ones trying to kill you for viewers on their bitchute videos.
Goat. Epic legacy. You just can’t stand that he refused the vax, argued that his natural immunity conferred from prior infection was good enough. He’s right of course. Showed the way for a great many other young, fit humans.
2) not even the #1 seed
3) folds like a lawn chair when his legacy is on the line
4) makes an elementary mistake on a pivotal point
This is your GOAT? Take him lol. I’m good
History will be very kind to him. Already cemented his epic legacy. Even more so because he didn’t give in to authoritarian tyrants. Pisses you off to no end. It’s comical. And, of course, he’s correct. He’s the smart one.
3) folds like a lawn chair when his legacy is on the line
4) makes an elementary mistake on a pivotal point
This is your GOAT? Take him lol. I’m good
History will be very kind to him. Already cemented his epic legacy. Even more so because he didn’t give in to authoritarian tyrants. Pisses you off to no end. It’s comical. And, of course, he’s correct. He’s the smart one.
Dude you’re getting trolled by a guy with a gorilla name, about tennis, in a thread about vaccines, on running message board. Just laugh at let it go.
History will be very kind to him. Already cemented his epic legacy. Even more so because he didn’t give in to authoritarian tyrants. Pisses you off to no end. It’s comical. And, of course, he’s correct. He’s the smart one.
Dude you’re getting trolled by a guy with a gorilla name, about tennis, in a thread about vaccines, on running message board. Just laugh at let it go.
Oh I can, but Harambe was so upset that people don’t accept his comparisons to Ray Lewis and Kobe Bryant. That Novax is incredible & even more so because he’s playing at a high level at age 36 despite not getting vaxxed. Brilliant. Goat. Destroys the narrative.
Dude you’re getting trolled by a guy with a gorilla name, about tennis, in a thread about vaccines, on running message board. Just laugh at let it go.
Oh I can, but Harambe was so upset that people don’t accept his comparisons to Ray Lewis and Kobe Bryant. That Novax is incredible & even more so because he’s playing at a high level at age 36 despite not getting vaxxed. Brilliant. Goat. Destroys the narrative.
Only you don’t accept the obvious parallels. Feel free to judge this guy however you want.
There are clearly cardiovascular, processing speed/other cognitive, or possibly autoimmune issues with Novak. Anyone can tell by watching him play.
Sad to see someone shred their legacy over political dogma but I really hope he solves his health issues.
if anything, this pandemic further separated the winners and losers in our society. Wealth and income inequality was already a big problem, and during the pandemic, this just got worse, much worse. The losers, having now lost more ground in climbing the economic ladder, want very much to believe the pandemic was planned, was not real or not a big deal and didn’t need nearly the intervention from government that public health experts thought- at the time- that it did. Service workers and people living in crammed spaces with strangers of unknown Covid status had to wear masks for long shifts/periods during 2020-2021 and understandably were more pissed off/personally affected than white-collar workers and homeowners who had luxury of working from home and did not wear masks…( or only wore them maybe 10mins to 1hour tops per day for curbside pick ups or grocery shopping etc. ).Like it or not there was a time when we observed many businesses refused service to the public if a simple cloth covering was not over the mouth and nose. In Americans’ quest to get ahead in the world, white-collar workers, regardless of stance on vaccines and Covid, had the luxury of going maskless working from home with ample space for social distancing, and existing homeowners were able to refinance their work- from-home places at under 3% or 4% fixed interest rates, sometimes rates as low as ~2.5% on a 30 year fixed. Service workers, and those trapped with consumer debt on the other hand were making bets on cryptocurrencies and meme stocks and likely walked away with no gains and for the majority losses according to many academic papers on the subject. But they look up to irresponsible people like the “prosecute Fauci”-tweeting Elon musk/comedians promoting libertarian coins, who during the pandemic recommended Bitcoin and Dogecoin to libertarian fanboys/worshipers. So if anything, the pandemic further separated the winners and losers. Perhaps that’s why the losers are so upset, cynical and skeptical of medical professionals telling them the truth. The losers in this thing are now angrier, worse off and more pissed off because they lost in more ways than one - they now face inflation and rising costs of the basic necessities (inflation is still too high and economist think it is likely to be a little while before they can get it down), and the anti vax nutbars have failed to produce anything that persuades medical doctors and the worldwide scientific community (the elites they despise so much with Fauci as the big boss man) to take vaccines off or to in any way suggest the vaccines are dangerous. So they are just trapped in an echo chamber on whack job podcasts and blogs. Now we also need society to pay for mental health counseling to try to convince anti-VAX to not be afraid of doctors, and/or not be so angry that they got conned by YouTubers and nutbar sources with massive amounts of misinformation. And that’s going to be tough to do.
So you are upset that The Powers didn’t tell everyone ton lose 50 lbs to avoid COVID risk but apparently these same people don’t have the appropriate responsibility to not drink themselves to death. It’s one or the other, Danny
if anything, this pandemic further separated the winners and losers in our society. Wealth and income inequality was already a big problem, and during the pandemic, this just got worse, much worse. The losers, having now lost more ground in climbing the economic ladder, want very much to believe the pandemic was planned, was not real or not a big deal and didn’t need nearly the intervention from government that public health experts thought- at the time- that it did. Service workers and people living in crammed spaces with strangers of unknown Covid status had to wear masks for long shifts/periods during 2020-2021 and understandably were more pissed off/personally affected than white-collar workers and homeowners who had luxury of working from home and did not wear masks…( or only wore them maybe 10mins to 1hour tops per day for curbside pick ups or grocery shopping etc. ).Like it or not there was a time when we observed many businesses refused service to the public if a simple cloth covering was not over the mouth and nose. In Americans’ quest to get ahead in the world, white-collar workers, regardless of stance on vaccines and Covid, had the luxury of going maskless working from home with ample space for social distancing, and existing homeowners were able to refinance their work- from-home places at under 3% or 4% fixed interest rates, sometimes rates as low as ~2.5% on a 30 year fixed. Service workers, and those trapped with consumer debt on the other hand were making bets on cryptocurrencies and meme stocks and likely walked away with no gains and for the majority losses according to many academic papers on the subject. But they look up to irresponsible people like the “prosecute Fauci”-tweeting Elon musk/comedians promoting libertarian coins, who during the pandemic recommended Bitcoin and Dogecoin to libertarian fanboys/worshipers. So if anything, the pandemic further separated the winners and losers. Perhaps that’s why the losers are so upset, cynical and skeptical of medical professionals telling them the truth. The losers in this thing are now angrier, worse off and more pissed off because they lost in more ways than one - they now face inflation and rising costs of the basic necessities (inflation is still too high and economist think it is likely to be a little while before they can get it down), and the anti vax nutbars have failed to produce anything that persuades medical doctors and the worldwide scientific community (the elites they despise so much with Fauci as the big boss man) to take vaccines off or to in any way suggest the vaccines are dangerous. So they are just trapped in an echo chamber on whack job podcasts and blogs. Now we also need society to pay for mental health counseling to try to convince anti-VAX to not be afraid of doctors, and/or not be so angry that they got conned by YouTubers and nutbar sources with massive amounts of misinformation. And that’s going to be tough to do.
if anything, this pandemic further separated the winners and losers in our society. Wealth and income inequality was already a big problem, and during the pandemic, this just got worse, much worse. The losers, having now lost more ground in climbing the economic ladder, want very much to believe the pandemic was planned, was not real or not a big deal and didn’t need nearly the intervention from government that public health experts thought- at the time- that it did. Service workers and people living in crammed spaces with strangers of unknown Covid status had to wear masks for long shifts/periods during 2020-2021 and understandably were more pissed off/personally affected than white-collar workers and homeowners who had luxury of working from home and did not wear masks…( or only wore them maybe 10mins to 1hour tops per day for curbside pick ups or grocery shopping etc. ).Like it or not there was a time when we observed many businesses refused service to the public if a simple cloth covering was not over the mouth and nose. In Americans’ quest to get ahead in the world, white-collar workers, regardless of stance on vaccines and Covid, had the luxury of going maskless working from home with ample space for social distancing, and existing homeowners were able to refinance their work- from-home places at under 3% or 4% fixed interest rates, sometimes rates as low as ~2.5% on a 30 year fixed. Service workers, and those trapped with consumer debt on the other hand were making bets on cryptocurrencies and meme stocks and likely walked away with no gains and for the majority losses according to many academic papers on the subject. But they look up to irresponsible people like the “prosecute Fauci”-tweeting Elon musk/comedians promoting libertarian coins, who during the pandemic recommended Bitcoin and Dogecoin to libertarian fanboys/worshipers. So if anything, the pandemic further separated the winners and losers. Perhaps that’s why the losers are so upset, cynical and skeptical of medical professionals telling them the truth. The losers in this thing are now angrier, worse off and more pissed off because they lost in more ways than one - they now face inflation and rising costs of the basic necessities (inflation is still too high and economist think it is likely to be a little while before they can get it down), and the anti vax nutbars have failed to produce anything that persuades medical doctors and the worldwide scientific community (the elites they despise so much with Fauci as the big boss man) to take vaccines off or to in any way suggest the vaccines are dangerous. So they are just trapped in an echo chamber on whack job podcasts and blogs. Now we also need society to pay for mental health counseling to try to convince anti-VAX to not be afraid of doctors, and/or not be so angry that they got conned by YouTubers and nutbar sources with massive amounts of misinformation. And that’s going to be tough to do.
Of course it was planned.
The WEF held a meeting in October of 2019 to discuss how to respond to a worldwide pandemic and held a "live simulation exercise"
Oddly, the CIA was included.
Was public health discussed?
No. What was discussed was how to make sure the public complied with what they were told.
Forty-three experts highlight some key insights from the social and behavioural sciences for effective response to the COVID-19 pandemic and point out important gaps researchers should move quickly to fill in the coming weeks...
What are we at now? 30-35% protection from severe disease/death with initial 2021 2 plus booster?
The “majority” of people seemed to do well with Covid during the entire pandemic, but some 20 million people died from Covid. At this point, would you recommend only high risk get vaccinated or just high risk as you stated earlier?
Those numbers are heavily confounded. The CFR has fallen dramatically to be in line with flu and others. There are plenty of people who would benefit from regular boosting but the primary series lowers the risk to “acceptable” levels for most people. Acceptable being “in line with other common respiratory diseases. Talk to your doctor - as long as they aren’t one of those kooky antivaxx ones trying to kill you for viewers on their bitchute videos.
A lot of that credit has to be given to omicron (my initial point long ago). As you stated, Covid has is now relegated to a “bad flu season” by the combination of vaccine rollouts and omicron.
