We've been duped! wrote:
when the medical cartel working through the government has the masses paralyzed in fear, it's easy to dupe the people! And that also explains all the paid trolls here continually fear-mongering.
In addition to the usual ones.
Fortunately, most of the public is wise to it and/or is waking up to it now.
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time to move on wrote:
No one is going to read all of that. And no one cares anymore. You are just talking to yourselves at this point.
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Also, neutral observers take note of how much more ‘information’ people on one side dish up in order to make their ‘argument’.
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I read it. Do you all ever get tired of being wrong or learning from it?
So much damn dupping going on -
This documentary tells the bigger picture of how and why dupping is going on -
time to move on wrote:
54,000 people have not been killed by covid disease in the US. It is far less.
So what is the real number then? Please tell us and provide a source. And if no one is in agreement about the number of deaths this entire discussion seems pointless.[/quote]
Take the total number of Covid deaths and sub out the decrease in the number of flu deaths from last year March/April to 2020 March/April and it should put you in the ballpark
This thread will go down in history as the worst of all time and will hopefully finally trigger the demise of this trash message board.
There's a reason I ALWAYS use ad block plus when browsing letsrun.
More inconvenient facts coming in hot:
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1254461322353393666
People are dying. We need real solutions, not denialism. Economic slow down from a freerunning pandemic will be worse than a full or partial lockdown.
These "stat nerds" with no medical expertise have been dead wrong since the beginning. Remember when the death rate was 3.5% and millions were gonna die? How long will you listen to these goalpost movers?
big dave222 wrote:
These "stat nerds" with no medical expertise have been dead wrong since the beginning. Remember when the death rate was 3.5% and millions were gonna die? How long will you listen to these goalpost movers?
I'm sorry that you don't understand the difference between case fatality rate and infection rate.
In the US, millions could still die. Hundreds of thousands will certainly die.
Sure dude. Even the doomsday models have now been revised to drop the "millions" bs.
You forgot to remind me that we're "two weeks!!!" behind Italy.
big dave222 wrote:
Sure dude. Even the doomsday models have now been revised to drop the "millions" bs.
You forgot to remind me that we're "two weeks!!!" behind Italy.
I'm sorry that you're too stupid to understand the science.
Fact Smatter . . wrote:
big dave222 wrote:
Sure dude. Even the doomsday models have now been revised to drop the "millions" bs.
You forgot to remind me that we're "two weeks!!!" behind Italy.
I'm sorry that you're too stupid to understand the science.
The "science" you flailing bugman have been dumping on us for weeks all turned out to be false. Why is this "science" correct?
You have such confidence in stating that the official published statistics are absolutely false. If you want absolutely false, then start investigating the official statistics in dictatorial countries and principalities where the death toll is implausibly low. The United States death toll at present, although implausibly low in some Republican-run states that refuse to count non-resident deaths in the state, etc., is very high but still much lower than in places like Italy, Spain, France, and Belgium, and so I find it eminently reasonable in the not all that precise world of cause of death statistics. These are the very statistics, by the way, that you are pointing to in comparing flu deaths to covid deaths. So, if COVID deaths are overstated, which they are not (in fact, they have been undercounted, especially early on before they realized they were occurring and attributed them to flu), then flu deaths are too. When we have 55,365 deaths attributed to COVID-19, and when overall U.S. mortality, esp. mortality in places like NYC, is WAY UP, that tells me all the numbers are going in one direction. This is big, already more than 18 times the death toll over 9/11, and almost equal to that of U.S. deaths in Vietnam over a ten year time period, all basically in one month.
time to move on wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
That is absolutely false. Full stop. Come back from that alternate universe where people who die of other things are dying of covid-19 just because they happen (or are suspected or assumed) to be infected with sars-cov2.
54,000 people have not been killed by covid disease in the US. It is far less.
So what is the real number then? Please tell us and provide a source. And if no one is in agreement about the number of deaths this entire discussion seems pointless.
Amazing how hard you guys have committed to the apocalypse LARP. Sorry, but one day you will have to go outside again.
Bad Wigins wrote:
54,000 people have not been killed by covid disease in the US. It is far less.
More like 2600 deaths?
I didn't say that the Coronavirus has killed twice as much as any flu in recent memory, just the typical flu season. The biggest year recently was 61,000 in 2017-18, while you cite 1957 and a year in the 1960s as 100,000 and 116,000. Those are huge tolls but those aren't typical years. Moreover, those involved a toll over roughly October to May, an 8 month period. Coronavirus has already killed 55,371 in the U.S., with 54,000 deaths coming in the last month. We will reach 60,000 on Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest, and then even if the death toll falls by 30-40% in May per day, we'll be around 100,000 by June. That will be the first two and a half months of Coronavirus. What then will happen, I do not know. But it will have reached 100,000 with vast shutdowns throughout the country, whereas those flus reached 100k+ in 8 months with no shutdowns. If we allow coronavirus to spread throughout society, perhaps in the summer and fall, we are likely to see much higher death tolls. Indeed, with no virus and assuming the coronavirus starts to spread again in the fall with no deaths in the summer, we would see a far greater toll.
In sum: this is on a scale far greater than any flu we've had since the Spanish flu.
I'm outside on my feet 2-3 hours a day. What are you on?
Yes, a great proportion of the people (uncertain exactly what this is) who get covid are asymptomatic or have minor illness. But a very large number of people die and have died, and that has radically increased the mortality rate in every country and city where it has been widespread. What kind of a fake illness is creating a new cause of death that is as large or larger than any other cause of death in the system? 54k in one month is a myth? You were saying that car crashes and accidental hospital deaths would dwarf this. COVID-19's killing people at a rate 8 times as high as car crashes and more than 6 times as high as hospital mistakes.
Which countries are cooking the books?
COVID-19 death rates per million in selected countries:
USA 167
Italy 441
Spain 496
France 350
Germany 71
Russia 5
Belgium 612
Netherlands 261
Switzerland 186
Ireland 220
Sweden 217
Saudi Arabia 4
Belarus 8
Qatar 3
Kazakhstan 1
I'm sure those countries with low numbers and thousands of cases just have spectacularly good health care systems that have solved the riddle of the disease treatment, right?
Do you think this under-reporting makes up for the gross OVER-reporting (ie those dying with COVID being marked as dying from COVID)??
In any event, the antibody tests are now revealing scores of asymptomatic people. Death rate is well under 1%.
Fact Smatter . . wrote:
big dave222 wrote:
Sure dude. Even the doomsday models have now been revised to drop the "millions" bs.
You forgot to remind me that we're "two weeks!!!" behind Italy.
I'm sorry that you're too stupid to understand the science.
The overwhelming science points to a massive overreaction to poorly constructed models.
The beaches in California are opening and people are out enjoying the sun. The REAL science is winning, not the pseudoscience of models and projections.