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2 years ago 07/13/2023 10:58am EDT

re: wejo

Ulster County (NY) adopts COVID vaccine ‘freedom of choice’ resolution

The resolution, No. 134, was adopted by a vote of 12 to 10, with six Democrats joining six of the seven Republicans in the legislature (one was absent). Memorializing resolutions carry no official weight; they’re just opinions shared publicly. No. 134 simply states that a majority of the legislature opposes “policies of mandatory COVID-19 shot (sic) by any local, state, or federal government that affect citizens’ rights to make their own health care choices.” It also gives a supportive nod to parents’ right to make health care decisions for their children.

timesunion.com

Link:www.timesunion.com/hudsonvalley/news/a...

This post was edited 4 minutes after it was posted.

2 years ago 07/13/2023 11:14am EDT

re: 2Looney,

2Looney, wrote:
antivaxxers killing democracy - - - - - - - - - wrote:
It's over, antivaxxers lose. The vaccines ended the pandemic and have relegated covid to a flu. Antivaxxers are so mad they'd rather us return to the days of thousands of people dying a day in the US in order to cope and alleviate the seething they feel at the success of the vaccines they've had a hard on for for so long. Sad!
- So the reason they are ignored at FDA advisory committee meetings is their data is sh*t and it’s never anything that’s from a properly designed RCT. so they will just say “big pharma” controls so that’s why.
- Or …doctors risk losing licensure if they don’t push the vaccines, because again, “big pharma.” But you only have like 17000 in the world (very small number)out of all of the medical doctors thinking the vaccines are dangerous and speaking out about it. For this to be true you have to start believing medical doctors didn’t actually get the actual vaccines in their arms - because they fear the jab themselves - some wackos do but not many- and possibly that they are holding some big secret such as 🤫 “shh… we know the vax is dangerous but we can’t say anything- or we can try to post anonymously online about it to podcasters - because we need our six plus figure incomes and we’re afraid of losing a license/wrecking career.” Again crazy but I guess that’s what they think? Why not actually give arguments to the FDA as to why they’re dangerous instead of spreading stuff on social media?

Australian data shows the Covid jab is very dangerous

YouTube.com

Quality Australian vaccine data

Dr. John Campbell

Western Australian Vaccine Safety Surveillance – Annual Report 2021 https://www.health.wa.gov.au/~/media/Corp/Documents/Health-for/Immunisation/Western-Austr...

Video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l6Q2r5VWLo

2 years ago 07/13/2023 12:28pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
2Looney, wrote:
- So the reason they are ignored at FDA advisory committee meetings is their data is sh*t and it’s never anything that’s from a properly designed RCT. so they will just say “big pharma” controls so that’s why.
- Or …doctors risk losing licensure if they don’t push the vaccines, because again, “big pharma.” But you only have like 17000 in the world (very small number)out of all of the medical doctors thinking the vaccines are dangerous and speaking out about it. For this to be true you have to start believing medical doctors didn’t actually get the actual vaccines in their arms - because they fear the jab themselves - some wackos do but not many- and possibly that they are holding some big secret such as 🤫 “shh… we know the vax is dangerous but we can’t say anything- or we can try to post anonymously online about it to podcasters - because we need our six plus figure incomes and we’re afraid of losing a license/wrecking career.” Again crazy but I guess that’s what they think? Why not actually give arguments to the FDA as to why they’re dangerous instead of spreading stuff on social media?
Australian data shows the Covid jab is very dangerous
Video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l6Q2r5VWLo

But, wait, it’s just a nurse PhD, not a real doctor…

But, wait, it’s just a YouTube grift…

But, wait, clearly the data is opaque…

It’s funny Russian roulette was brought up here a couple days ago, because, the Australian government data clearly shows that’s exactly what it was if you took the “vaccine” as a non-high risk person. And, as I suggested, 2600bro’s math was way off.

Note the rates of myocarditis, pericarditis, and chest pain. Not a good look. Thankful for the, finally, transparent W Australian government surveillance though.

Djokovic is a genius and a man of honor.

2 years ago 07/13/2023 12:37pm EDT

re: Harambe

Harambe wrote:
bidenfixedcovid wrote:
More projection from that gift to society Harambe, 615 pages of posting incessently, calls others blowhard attention seekers.
The bad doctor defender has logged on
Hit a nerve, haven’t I?
Read some Kahneman and stop whining

Please find one example of me beign a "bad doctor defender". I'll wait.

"biden fixed covid" (80 year old geriatric that finished near the bottom of his law school class) - Harambe

2 years ago 07/13/2023 1:28pm EDT

re: bidenfixedcovid

Note the rates of myocarditis, pericarditis, and chest pain. Not a good look. Thankful for the, finally, transparent W Australian government surveillance though.

I cannot watch a 15 minute YouTube video of a guy in his living room.
Why can these people not write 1-2 pages?? It's because you dont get paid per view for a pdf?

NB: Look at the rates of cardiac issues, chest pain, and flu like symptoms from control group in the Ph3 clinical trials.
NB+: You got vaccinated! You're playing with the 500M chamber revolver... no need to worry :)

This post was edited 55 seconds after it was posted.

2 years ago 07/13/2023 1:31pm EDT

re: Covidiocy

Also loving that my Russian Roulette post has triggered so many people.

I know it’s annoying to have your self inconsistency laid out before you… but maybe this YouTube video will fix it 😂😂

2 years ago 07/13/2023 2:42pm EDT

re: 2600 bro

Set reasonable prices. As if anybody still wants the thing. What a joke.

yahoo.com

US govt tells vaccine makers to price updated COVID shots reasonably

The U.S. government will also launch a $1 billion "Bridge Access Program" for this fall, to help those without insurance and the underinsured to continue getting vaccines and treatments at no cost. The appeal from the HHS to...

Link:www.yahoo.com/news/us-health-departmen...

2 years ago 07/13/2023 2:50pm EDT

re: Smothson

Smothson wrote:
Harambe wrote:
I gave a conservative estimate off of 2600 bros numbers.
1:5000 is much much higher than the 1:millions risk from the vaccine.
So the calculus comes out far in favor of the vaccine even with my very conservative estimate.
Thus, Djokovic is a moron.
According to the data, you wouldn’t agree that the risk of him experiencing long Covid or death is much higher than the 0.02% you cited?

My data said nothing about death. It could be higher but interpreting survey data for something like long COVID is prone wide measurement errors.

Thus we stick to a highly conservative estimate that still shows the vaccine is a much much wiser choice.

Remember, we only really care about the direction of the inequality here to make a decision

2 years ago 07/13/2023 2:51pm EDT

re: Covidiocy

Covidiocy wrote:
I’ll be darned… Djokovic, the intelligent poster boy for natural immunity among the nonelderly, nonobese, nondiabetic, nonimmunocompromised was vexed after all.
Link:www.hindustantimes.com/sports/tennis/n...

Vex and vaxxed, most likely.

good joke though - made me laugh

2 years ago 07/13/2023 2:52pm EDT

re: bidenfixedcovid

bidenfixedcovid wrote:
Harambe wrote:
The bad doctor defender has logged on
Hit a nerve, haven’t I?
Read some Kahneman and stop whining
Please find one example of me beign a "bad doctor defender". I'll wait.
"biden fixed covid" (80 year old geriatric that finished near the bottom of his law school class) - Harambe

Ok, you, in the post I responded to, were defending bad doctors.

This post was edited 17 seconds after it was posted. Reason provided: Typo defender

2 years ago 07/13/2023 3:59pm EDT

re: Harambe

Harambe wrote:
Smothson wrote:
According to the data, you wouldn’t agree that the risk of him experiencing long Covid or death is much higher than the 0.02% you cited?
My data said nothing about death. It could be higher but interpreting survey data for something like long COVID is prone wide measurement errors.
Thus we stick to a highly conservative estimate that still shows the vaccine is a much much wiser choice.
Remember, we only really care about the direction of the inequality here to make a decision

I’ve said nothing of vaccine comparison. I simply stated your estimation was way off per the data.

Also, many consider death a career altering event, yes?

2 years ago 07/13/2023 4:07pm EDT

re: 2600 bro

2600 bro wrote:
Note the rates of myocarditis, pericarditis, and chest pain. Not a good look. Thankful for the, finally, transparent W Australian government surveillance though.
I cannot watch a 15 minute YouTube video of a guy in his living room.
Why can these people not write 1-2 pages?? It's because you dont get paid per view for a pdf?
NB: Look at the rates of cardiac issues, chest pain, and flu like symptoms from control group in the Ph3 clinical trials.
NB+: You got vaccinated! You're playing with the 500M chamber revolver... no need to worry :)

The Australian report is linked below. In a quick read through I don't see anything here that's remarkably different than that forming the basis of risk ratio studies that have been published previously.

health.wa.gov.au

Link:www.health.wa.gov.au/~/media/Corp/Docu...

2 years ago 07/13/2023 5:56pm EDT

re: 2600 bro

2600 bro wrote:
Note the rates of myocarditis, pericarditis, and chest pain. Not a good look. Thankful for the, finally, transparent W Australian government surveillance though.
I cannot watch a 15 minute YouTube video of a guy in his living room.
Why can these people not write 1-2 pages?? It's because you dont get paid per view for a pdf?
NB: Look at the rates of cardiac issues, chest pain, and flu like symptoms from control group in the Ph3 clinical trials.
NB+: You got vaccinated! You're playing with the 500M chamber revolver... no need to worry :)

Dear FDA,
Me anti vax. Me no mask, me no vax. Me no Covid. N=1. Friend no Covid, so n=5. Therefore vax bad and Fauci need be brought to trial. Why no FDA listen to me study design? “Big pharma” so evil
Signed,
Dr. Dan M
Dr. Newname
Dr. John Campbell, YouTuber

2 years ago 07/13/2023 6:18pm EDT

re: 2looneyzz

2looneyzz wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Note the rates of myocarditis, pericarditis, and chest pain. Not a good look. Thankful for the, finally, transparent W Australian government surveillance though.
I cannot watch a 15 minute YouTube video of a guy in his living room.
Why can these people not write 1-2 pages?? It's because you dont get paid per view for a pdf?
NB: Look at the rates of cardiac issues, chest pain, and flu like symptoms from control group in the Ph3 clinical trials.
NB+: You got vaccinated! You're playing with the 500M chamber revolver... no need to worry :)
Dear FDA,
Me anti vax. Me no mask, me no vax. Me no Covid. N=1. Friend no Covid, so n=5. Therefore vax bad and Fauci need be brought to trial. Why no FDA listen to me study design? “Big pharma” so evil
Signed,
Dr. Dan M
Dr. Newname
Dr. John Campbell, YouTuber

Vaxxed people, this ain't good.

Hope all of you are healthy, well and remain that way. I have grave doubts your future.

"Dr. Bob Wachter busted his head open in a fall after passing out at home while sick with the virus, and the injury led to bleeding around the brain and hospitalization. He posted a long thread about his experience Wednesday evening on Twitter."

"Wachter said he received his second 'bivalent' vaccine booster tailored to protect against the more recent omicron variants of the virus in April"

mercurynews.com

UCSF medical chief laid low by COVID after guiding thousands on avoiding the virus

jwoolfolk@bayareanewsgroup.com

A unicorn no more: Dr. Bob Wachter, who chairs the UCSF medical department, avoided COVID-19 during the pandemic with a careful regimen of mask-wearing, crowd avoidance, vaccines and boosters. But …

Link:www.mercurynews.com/2023/07/13/ucsf-me...

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2 years ago 07/13/2023 7:02pm EDT

re: DanM

DanM wrote:
2looneyzz wrote:
Dear FDA,
Me anti vax. Me no mask, me no vax. Me no Covid. N=1. Friend no Covid, so n=5. Therefore vax bad and Fauci need be brought to trial. Why no FDA listen to me study design? “Big pharma” so evil
Signed,
Dr. Dan M
Dr. Newname
Dr. John Campbell, YouTuber
Vaxxed people, this ain't good.
Hope all of you are healthy, well and remain that way. I have grave doubts your future.
"Dr. Bob Wachter busted his head open in a fall after passing out at home while sick with the virus, and the injury led to bleeding around the brain and hospitalization. He posted a long thread about his experience Wednesday evening on Twitter."
"Wachter said he received his second 'bivalent' vaccine booster tailored to protect against the more recent omicron variants of the virus in April"
Link:www.mercurynews.com/2023/07/13/ucsf-me...

old guy falls in the shower

DanM - ITS THE VACCINE!!

The desperation is real

2 years ago 07/13/2023 7:03pm EDT

re: Smothson

Smothson wrote:
Harambe wrote:
My data said nothing about death. It could be higher but interpreting survey data for something like long COVID is prone wide measurement errors.
Thus we stick to a highly conservative estimate that still shows the vaccine is a much much wiser choice.
Remember, we only really care about the direction of the inequality here to make a decision
I’ve said nothing of vaccine comparison. I simply stated your estimation was way off per the data.
Also, many consider death a career altering event, yes?

I’ve explained the adjustments I made and my goal with the numbers. We are interested in different levels of accuracy and upper/lower bounds. That’s ok

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2 years ago 07/13/2023 7:09pm EDT

re: Harambe

Harambe wrote:
DanM wrote:
Vaxxed people, this ain't good.
Hope all of you are healthy, well and remain that way. I have grave doubts your future.
"Dr. Bob Wachter busted his head open in a fall after passing out at home while sick with the virus, and the injury led to bleeding around the brain and hospitalization. He posted a long thread about his experience Wednesday evening on Twitter."
"Wachter said he received his second 'bivalent' vaccine booster tailored to protect against the more recent omicron variants of the virus in April"
Link:www.mercurynews.com/2023/07/13/ucsf-me...
old guy falls in the shower
DanM - ITS THE VACCINE!!
The desperation is real

Wachter is 66.

Desperation is vaxxed people who can never become unvaxxed.

Wishing you all the best.

2 years ago 07/13/2023 7:46pm EDT

re: DanM

DanM wrote:
Harambe wrote:
old guy falls in the shower
DanM - ITS THE VACCINE!!
The desperation is real
Wachter is 66.
Desperation is vaxxed people who can never become unvaxxed.
Wishing you all the best.

For years I’ve been told a 66 year old dying of COVID is fine bc they’re on deaths door anyway. Now they aren’t even old?

Cant have it both ways buddy

2 years ago 07/13/2023 8:42pm EDT

re: Harambe

Harambe wrote:
Smothson wrote:
I’ve said nothing of vaccine comparison. I simply stated your estimation was way off per the data.
Also, many consider death a career altering event, yes?
I’ve explained the adjustments I made and my goal with the numbers. We are interested in different levels of accuracy and upper/lower bounds. That’s ok

I’m still intrigued by your take that omicron was not a significant factor in ending the pandemic.

You never defended that position. Care to take another shot at it?

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