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2Looney, wrote:
DanM wrote:
Biden got 5 in 680 days. That wasn't enough. He took Paxlovid when he got sick.
The chair at UCSF dept of medicine recommends taking Paxlovid even if you’re healthy and you catch Covid because it may reduce chances of long Covid. He himself said he would take it should he get Covid, but you know I guess he must be paid off by big Pharma, right?
Novartis, Biogen, Bayer. That's only three of them.
What pharmaceutical company is NOT corrupt to its core ?
Decisions about your health care riding on a lap dance.
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Harambe wrote:
Smothson wrote:
That’s an interesting take and also a very narrow world view.
Narrow and correct
I’m intrigued now. Care to share your view on how omicron did not have a significant impact on ending the pandemic?
Or is your contention that the pandemic is not over. If so, we can discuss that opinion.
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Harambe wrote:
Smothson wrote:
I’m not doubting the veracity of your 0.02% chance of career altering effects of Covid infection for a data point such as Djokovic. However, can you provide data for this?
It’s a reasonable estimate
5% of Americans currently claim to be suffering from long COVID.
I divided by several orders of magnitude bc Mr. Novak is vigorous and healthy.
Seems like it would be much higher according to the data, no?
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2Looney wrote:
Newname wrote:
Are these vax guys actually still taking the recommended boosters?
How many shots have they had by now?
At my annual physical the doctors are still recommending the vaccine. Most anti-VAX though probably can’t afford a physical because they are too worried about surprise billing is my guess, paranoia surrounding medicine, or maybe Medicaid doesn’t cover.
And you are still taking more jabs?
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2Looney, wrote:
DanM wrote:
Biden got 5 in 680 days. That wasn't enough. He took Paxlovid when he got sick.
The chair at UCSF dept of medicine recommends taking Paxlovid even if you’re healthy and you catch Covid because it may reduce chances of long Covid. He himself said he would take it should he get Covid, but you know I guess he must be paid off by big Pharma, right?
Of course UCSF is paid by Big Pharma.
Seems like every politician who took paxlovid came came down with Covid within 2 weeks
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2Looney, wrote:
Newname wrote:
Are these vax guys actually still taking the recommended boosters?
How many shots have they had by now?
Most of the ones I know (medical docs)have had six (probably four of the regular and two of the bivalent, if I am remembering the timeline correctly ) and have yet to catch Covid. So They don’t appear to be dying suddenly. Personal observation is that the ones in my circle (medical docs who have been vaxxed 4-6 times) who eventually came down with Covid (mild case anyway) tend to live and work in high density areas. I don’t really associate with any anti-vax or know any myself IRL except my Uber driver (appear to be a nut job talking about Nuremberg 2.0 trials) and maybe my barber (she’s a democrat and said she only got two….based on false stuff she said to me as she was cutting my hair, I think she got spooked by certain whack job news sources and is skeptical of pharma companies etc).
I know many non vaxxed people and not one of them got hospitalized due to Covid. Ands that's the truth unlike your claim that the docs you know who have had six jabs so far have never gotten Covid
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Smothson wrote:
Harambe wrote:
It’s a reasonable estimate
5% of Americans currently claim to be suffering from long COVID.
I divided by several orders of magnitude bc Mr. Novak is vigorous and healthy.
Seems like it would be much higher according to the data, no?
I gave a conservative estimate off of 2600 bros numbers.
1:5000 is much much higher than the 1:millions risk from the vaccine.
So the calculus comes out far in favor of the vaccine even with my very conservative estimate.
Thus, Djokovic is a moron.
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Harambe wrote:
Smothson wrote:
Seems like it would be much higher according to the data, no?
I gave a conservative estimate off of 2600 bros numbers.
1:5000 is much much higher than the 1:millions risk from the vaccine.
So the calculus comes out far in favor of the vaccine even with my very conservative estimate.
Thus, Djokovic is a moron.
Most of this thread is now antivaxxers crying when the numbers make them look stupid and trying to change the subject.
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Worth a read
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Harambe wrote:
Smothson wrote:
Seems like it would be much higher according to the data, no?
I gave a conservative estimate off of 2600 bros numbers.
1:5000 is much much higher than the 1:millions risk from the vaccine.
So the calculus comes out far in favor of the vaccine even with my very conservative estimate.
Thus, Djokovic is a moron.
According to the data, you wouldn’t agree that the risk of him experiencing long Covid or death is much higher than the 0.02% you cited?
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2600 bro wrote:
Worth a read
Thanks for the link. I’ve seen that paper before. Much higher risk than what the other poster estimated.
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It's over, antivaxxers lose. The vaccines ended the pandemic and have relegated covid to a flu. Antivaxxers are so mad they'd rather us return to the days of thousands of people dying a day in the US in order to cope and alleviate the seething they feel at the success of the vaccines they've had a hard on for for so long. Sad!
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Newname wrote:
2Looney, wrote:
The chair at UCSF dept of medicine recommends taking Paxlovid even if you’re healthy and you catch Covid because it may reduce chances of long Covid. He himself said he would take it should he get Covid, but you know I guess he must be paid off by big Pharma, right?
Of course UCSF is paid by Big Pharma.
Seems like every politician who took paxlovid came came down with Covid within 2 weeks
My understanding is you take Paxlovid immediately after you come down with Covid so that the severity is potentially lessened. It is known though that there is a “rebound effect” where paxlovid can sometimes prolong some of the mild symptoms from Covid a few more days as you’re recovering. Paxlovid was free from the US govt so we all paid for it right? Last year many drug stores were low on stock of Paxlovid-I had to drive around to about 2-3 to find it.
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Newname wrote:
2Looney, wrote:
Most of the ones I know (medical docs)have had six (probably four of the regular and two of the bivalent, if I am remembering the timeline correctly ) and have yet to catch Covid. So They don’t appear to be dying suddenly. Personal observation is that the ones in my circle (medical docs who have been vaxxed 4-6 times) who eventually came down with Covid (mild case anyway) tend to live and work in high density areas. I don’t really associate with any anti-vax or know any myself IRL except my Uber driver (appear to be a nut job talking about Nuremberg 2.0 trials) and maybe my barber (she’s a democrat and said she only got two….based on false stuff she said to me as she was cutting my hair, I think she got spooked by certain whack job news sources and is skeptical of pharma companies etc).
I know many non vaxxed people and not one of them got hospitalized due to Covid. Ands that's the truth unlike your claim that the docs you know who have had six jabs so far have never gotten Covid
Good thing they were mild cases
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It's over, antivaxxers lose. The vaccines ended the pandemic and have relegated covid to a flu. Antivaxxers are so mad they'd rather us return to the days of thousands of people dying a day in the US in order to cope and alleviate the seething they feel at the success of the vaccines they've had a hard on for for so long. Sad!
Omicron ended the pandemic. Ironically countries with higher booster rates post omicron have higher infection rates post omicron.
Keep getting more jabs.
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It's over, antivaxxers lose. The vaccines ended the pandemic and have relegated covid to a flu. Antivaxxers are so mad they'd rather us return to the days of thousands of people dying a day in the US in order to cope and alleviate the seething they feel at the success of the vaccines they've had a hard on for for so long. Sad!
- So the reason they are ignored at FDA advisory committee meetings is their data is sh*t and it’s never anything that’s from a properly designed RCT. so they will just say “big pharma” controls so that’s why.
- Or …doctors risk losing licensure if they don’t push the vaccines, because again, “big pharma.” But you only have like 17000 in the world (very small number)out of all of the medical doctors thinking the vaccines are dangerous and speaking out about it. For this to be true you have to start believing medical doctors didn’t actually get the actual vaccines in their arms - because they fear the jab themselves - some wackos do but not many- and possibly that they are holding some big secret such as 🤫 “shh… we know the vax is dangerous but we can’t say anything- or we can try to post anonymously online about it to podcasters - because we need our six plus figure incomes and we’re afraid of losing a license/wrecking career.” Again crazy but I guess that’s what they think? Why not actually give arguments to the FDA as to why they’re dangerous instead of spreading stuff on social media?
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2Looney, wrote:
Newname wrote:
Of course UCSF is paid by Big Pharma.
Seems like every politician who took paxlovid came came down with Covid within 2 weeks
My understanding is you take Paxlovid immediately after you come down with Covid so that the severity is potentially lessened. It is known though that there is a “rebound effect” where paxlovid can sometimes prolong some of the mild symptoms from Covid a few more days as you’re recovering. Paxlovid was free from the US govt so we all paid for it right? Last year many drug stores were low on stock of Paxlovid-I had to drive around to about 2-3 to find it.
You were vaxxed how many times ?
I'm 63. No vaxxes. No paxlovid. No testing. My only illness since the madness started was a mild 2 day omicron infection in January 2022.
Hope you made the best decision for yourself. I sure made the best decision for myself.
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I’ll be darned… Djokovic, the intelligent poster boy for natural immunity among the nonelderly, nonobese, nondiabetic, nonimmunocompromised was vexed after all.
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