Thanks for all the feedback. We have been meaning to do it for a while so it was good to get it recorded. We do indeed plan on making it monthly. I will have other guests as there are lot of people I would love to interview but I am hoping for James to be Monthly... our next one should be early May after London. Will aim to get my microphone updated too as his sound quality was way better than mine!
Newest Floberg video starts with reversed footage of him running meant to represent going back to Boston, but it unintentionally encapsulates what this series is really about: his fitness going backwards.
The “winter of speed” hasn’t raised his ceiling. It’s just gotten him used to running above LT2 so he’s even better at overcooking his workouts. He does NOT need to “pull from above”. He still needs to “push from below” because even though he’s done a ton of “push from below” workouts, he chronically overcooks them! He’s only exacerbated this issue.
He races at the end of long runs. He takes extra rest between reps so that he can run paces that are too fast.
After the workout is done, he takes pride that the stimulus is in and assumes improved fitness should follow. First, it’s the wrong stimulus. Lactate too high. Second, his body is clearly in “survival mode” not “adaptation mode”. It’s prioritizing surviving the next workout and has no spare energy to make adaptations. That’s how he’s trained it to respond.
Look at the 8k. He did a workout that same night! Dude, Floberg, you have to coax your body into these kinds of things for them to be beneficial.
He lists excuses. Great! Actually a good thing to have your excuses in order as long as you actually use them to slow down the pacing from the start. Instead it’s the same thing every time with him: go too fast at the start and excuses are there to explain why the end didn’t go well.
The whole overtrain + ”im a busy dad” + toxic positivity schtick is disgusting. It works when you have newb gains to make. And then you plateau far short of your potential. Not because of your busy life but because you don’t know what you’re doing.
Proper training isn’t having the discipline to complete workouts on pace no matter how difficult the conditions or counterproductive your lifestyle. Proper training is adjusting workouts for the conditions and lifestyle to create a stimulus you can actually benefit from.
If he had any wisdom and any bravery, he’d train easier. Honestly a perfect candidate for NSM.
”I’m a realist about my fitness.” Hahahahaha
Boston is going to destroy him. He will try to run 2:32:30 or so and fade hard. He’ll fail to go sub 2:35 which will mean he will fail to achieve his goal from 2 years ago. This has been the dumbest training to prepare for Boston. The only thing he’s “improved”, if anything, is his VLaMax, which is bad for the marathon and especially bad for a hilly marathon. Newton will take the last of this man’s glycogen and the finish will not be pretty.
Would think Matt is referring to Luke. Has run 2:24 and obviously they no longer speak now and stopped the podcast? Maybe it’s that? Not sure if Luke aimed for sub 2:20 though.
Newest Floberg video starts with reversed footage of him running meant to represent going back to Boston, but it unintentionally encapsulates what this series is really about: his fitness going backwards.
The “winter of speed” hasn’t raised his ceiling. It’s just gotten him used to running above LT2 so he’s even better at overcooking his workouts. He does NOT need to “pull from above”. He still needs to “push from below” because even though he’s done a ton of “push from below” workouts, he chronically overcooks them! He’s only exacerbated this issue.
He races at the end of long runs. He takes extra rest between reps so that he can run paces that are too fast.
After the workout is done, he takes pride that the stimulus is in and assumes improved fitness should follow. First, it’s the wrong stimulus. Lactate too high. Second, his body is clearly in “survival mode” not “adaptation mode”. It’s prioritizing surviving the next workout and has no spare energy to make adaptations. That’s how he’s trained it to respond.
Look at the 8k. He did a workout that same night! Dude, Floberg, you have to coax your body into these kinds of things for them to be beneficial.
He lists excuses. Great! Actually a good thing to have your excuses in order as long as you actually use them to slow down the pacing from the start. Instead it’s the same thing every time with him: go too fast at the start and excuses are there to explain why the end didn’t go well.
The whole overtrain + ”im a busy dad” + toxic positivity schtick is disgusting. It works when you have newb gains to make. And then you plateau far short of your potential. Not because of your busy life but because you don’t know what you’re doing.
Proper training isn’t having the discipline to complete workouts on pace no matter how difficult the conditions or counterproductive your lifestyle. Proper training is adjusting workouts for the conditions and lifestyle to create a stimulus you can actually benefit from.
If he had any wisdom and any bravery, he’d train easier. Honestly a perfect candidate for NSM.
”I’m a realist about my fitness.” Hahahahaha
Boston is going to destroy him. He will try to run 2:32:30 or so and fade hard. He’ll fail to go sub 2:35 which will mean he will fail to achieve his goal from 2 years ago. This has been the dumbest training to prepare for Boston. The only thing he’s “improved”, if anything, is his VLaMax, which is bad for the marathon and especially bad for a hilly marathon. Newton will take the last of this man’s glycogen and the finish will not be pretty.
Flogborg has too much ego to train correctly, he cares too much about what the pace says on Strava, partially I’m sure because it’s his job. He doesn’t even manual lap on a track for f***’s sake, relies on “track mode”. He also makes sure his standing rest doesn’t show up on his moving time so his sheep are very impressed with the moving pace. I try not to be a hater often, but he makes it so hard not to be. It will be quite enjoyable to see 2:35+ and see him continue to avoid eating humble pie.
It's not hard to run sub-15:00 for a 5k/5000m with a full-time. When I ran for a club in England (and a Southern League one, but British League at that) about 40 years, we had several sub-15:00 guys with full-time jobs.
I wasn't that far out as an 800m runner, running about 50 miles per week (although a lot of it hard).
I think it’s the trifecta of being able to run a sub-15 5k, hold down a full-time job and write all the words in sentences so that people can what the hell you are on about that is really difficult.
Fair point. I hadn't had my first coffee of the morning, and should have proof read.
What I meant was, we weren't a major club, just regional (Southern League) not National League, and strictly amateur. We still had, at any one time, at least half a dozen guys that could run sub-15 for 5000m, and a bunch more that could run sub 15:30...
Back 40 years ago, before jogging clubs, 15:00 5000m wasn't that fast.
That’s what makes Mr Besters running results so impressive (and his times are a lot quicker than the Dental Hobby jogger btw)
Not only does he have multiple children but he runs a fitness business empire, whilst being well over peak running age.
Hes similar age to the likes of FOD and SirPoc I believe. His marathon time is quicker than Fentons despite being more than a decade his senior and starting later due to his previous life as a beer swilling, Ciggie smoking, city trader LAD!!
He lived his best life whilst young and then moved on to the running achievements
There was a moment in the FOD podcast with SirPoc where Mr Raynor mentions Battersea park and Nick Bester. You can literally see the fear in Sirpocs eyes when he says it and there’s an awkward silence before they chance the subject. The only runner to ever get the better of Mr Poc (other than that wonderful, sweltering London marathon last year where Mr Poc did the unthinkable and finally got a victory over Nick. Something us hobby joggers celebrated like a Geoff Hurst Hattrick) but Nick soon made the decisive blow in this gargantuan rivalry when he decimated Mr Poc at the big southern windfest.
Forget Cole, Fenton, Floberg, Donato RTJ, Dental, Hugo, Bowden, Woods etc etc - all these incredibly trendy, fashionable, good looking influencer types
The real hero’s and impressive runners are the working, older Dads still smashing out amazing times. Sir Bester, Raynor, Poc take a bow. You three are the true darlings of this thread.
This is a weird amount of glazing. And the shade thrown at other runners in defense of said glazee is also weird.
Newest Floberg video starts with reversed footage of him running meant to represent going back to Boston, but it unintentionally encapsulates what this series is really about: his fitness going backwards.
The “winter of speed” hasn’t raised his ceiling. It’s just gotten him used to running above LT2 so he’s even better at overcooking his workouts. He does NOT need to “pull from above”. He still needs to “push from below” because even though he’s done a ton of “push from below” workouts, he chronically overcooks them! He’s only exacerbated this issue.
He races at the end of long runs. He takes extra rest between reps so that he can run paces that are too fast.
After the workout is done, he takes pride that the stimulus is in and assumes improved fitness should follow. First, it’s the wrong stimulus. Lactate too high. Second, his body is clearly in “survival mode” not “adaptation mode”. It’s prioritizing surviving the next workout and has no spare energy to make adaptations. That’s how he’s trained it to respond.
Look at the 8k. He did a workout that same night! Dude, Floberg, you have to coax your body into these kinds of things for them to be beneficial.
He lists excuses. Great! Actually a good thing to have your excuses in order as long as you actually use them to slow down the pacing from the start. Instead it’s the same thing every time with him: go too fast at the start and excuses are there to explain why the end didn’t go well.
The whole overtrain + ”im a busy dad” + toxic positivity schtick is disgusting. It works when you have newb gains to make. And then you plateau far short of your potential. Not because of your busy life but because you don’t know what you’re doing.
Proper training isn’t having the discipline to complete workouts on pace no matter how difficult the conditions or counterproductive your lifestyle. Proper training is adjusting workouts for the conditions and lifestyle to create a stimulus you can actually benefit from.
If he had any wisdom and any bravery, he’d train easier. Honestly a perfect candidate for NSM.
”I’m a realist about my fitness.” Hahahahaha
Boston is going to destroy him. He will try to run 2:32:30 or so and fade hard. He’ll fail to go sub 2:35 which will mean he will fail to achieve his goal from 2 years ago. This has been the dumbest training to prepare for Boston. The only thing he’s “improved”, if anything, is his VLaMax, which is bad for the marathon and especially bad for a hilly marathon. Newton will take the last of this man’s glycogen and the finish will not be pretty.
Flogborg has too much ego to train correctly, he cares too much about what the pace says on Strava, partially I’m sure because it’s his job. He doesn’t even manual lap on a track for f***’s sake, relies on “track mode”. He also makes sure his standing rest doesn’t show up on his moving time so his sheep are very impressed with the moving pace. I try not to be a hater often, but he makes it so hard not to be. It will be quite enjoyable to see 2:35+ and see him continue to avoid eating humble pie.
Bang on. I can’t believe how many sheeple idolize him. It’s insanity and I wonder if some are bots honestly. Floberg is legitimately delusional - I truly don’t even know if he’s purposely being deceiving and knows how cringey he comes off at trying to say he’s aware of his training and other things he says, or if he really is just that unintelligent. Clearly the guy has marketing chops to spin the entire YouTube into a money maker and continue to con people for run coaching since they oooh and ahhh at every corny artsy running video he uploads. But at this point I just think the guy is an actual moron when it comes to logically reasoning through training and understanding things.
That or he’s also too far up his own arse and that narcissistic to be oblivious to how much of a tool he comes off as to any legit runners and people who are running similar or faster times. I still cannot believe he forced his family to be part of a video watching him run a mile on a treadmill. Basically has 5 paid actors in his household who probably are all miserable when the camera whips out.
I hate that he’s profiting six figures off of running and social media but I take solace in the fact he is too foolish to figure out how to break 2:30 and is starting to look more and more embarrassing to any serious folk with every video and post he continues to make at this point. It’s a train wreck I can’t look away from. I just wish his coaching would dry up as the man doesn’t deserve to be pocketing $1k+ per head for what is likely rubbish “coaching” and nothing sauce he’s providing
Flogborg has too much ego to train correctly, he cares too much about what the pace says on Strava, partially I’m sure because it’s his job. He doesn’t even manual lap on a track for f***’s sake, relies on “track mode”. He also makes sure his standing rest doesn’t show up on his moving time so his sheep are very impressed with the moving pace. I try not to be a hater often, but he makes it so hard not to be. It will be quite enjoyable to see 2:35+ and see him continue to avoid eating humble pie.
Bang on. I can’t believe how many sheeple idolize him. It’s insanity and I wonder if some are bots honestly. Floberg is legitimately delusional - I truly don’t even know if he’s purposely being deceiving and knows how cringey he comes off at trying to say he’s aware of his training and other things he says, or if he really is just that unintelligent. Clearly the guy has marketing chops to spin the entire YouTube into a money maker and continue to con people for run coaching since they oooh and ahhh at every corny artsy running video he uploads. But at this point I just think the guy is an actual moron when it comes to logically reasoning through training and understanding things.
That or he’s also too far up his own arse and that narcissistic to be oblivious to how much of a tool he comes off as to any legit runners and people who are running similar or faster times. I still cannot believe he forced his family to be part of a video watching him run a mile on a treadmill. Basically has 5 paid actors in his household who probably are all miserable when the camera whips out.
I hate that he’s profiting six figures off of running and social media but I take solace in the fact he is too foolish to figure out how to break 2:30 and is starting to look more and more embarrassing to any serious folk with every video and post he continues to make at this point. It’s a train wreck I can’t look away from. I just wish his coaching would dry up as the man doesn’t deserve to be pocketing $1k+ per head for what is likely rubbish “coaching” and nothing sauce he’s
Have you watched a Floberg video recently? Were you, too, embarrassed watching a grown man hide his stopped time on his Strava. Did you cringe, furrow your brow, or excessively sigh as an adult sat on a tree branch and explained life to you. Is your name Sabria? If so, you may be entitled to compensation.
Someone commented on Flobergs 10 miles at "goal pace" (which was about 2;29 pace) on Strava saying why are you running this pace when every race you've ran indicates you're in 2:35 shape and the man responded "My top end usually never translates to my marathon prediction. I think I'm within PB striking distance again."
He never races. When he does, he says he was untapered. When he does race his times indicate he is not in 2:30 shape and this is proven on race day. When does he ever look at "top end speed"? Don't the usual VDOT style calculations work for this man? Is he special?
Doesn't believe in US education system and thinks he knows better. Doesn't believe in the coaches guidance and thinks he knows better. Doesn't believe in VDOT calculators and thinks he knows better.
Thanks for all the feedback. We have been meaning to do it for a while so it was good to get it recorded. We do indeed plan on making it monthly. I will have other guests as there are lot of people I would love to interview but I am hoping for James to be Monthly... our next one should be early May after London. Will aim to get my microphone updated too as his sound quality was way better than mine!
I agree with another poster. You should try and get him on all the time. Even when you have other guests on. It's a risk, because I feel you might have one of the characters on from here for example and sirpoc might call them a tw*t or something - but I don't think people really understand how switched on he is, he almost deliberately plays it down, which I totally get so he doesn't have to get involved in the endless debates online. It would be great to hear him talk to other people about their training, even unpick it.
Within half a year you guys could easily actually have a good podcast, good product. There's so much drivel out there you are already winning from day 1.
Maybe it's a bit NSM niche, but even get guys on like cheetodust and talk to him. I follow him on Strava and i don't think people realise his background etc. people wgo have been through a high level of the college system and even why they choose to train now like this.
Anyway rambling on now, but I know you read these posts and just thought I would post up my thoughts, especially as someone who consumes mostly podcast only content.
Just watched a few minutes of Fenton on Godard’s podcast. I really do think he needs a different host on his own podcast. You can immediately tell he has no idea what Fentons talking about. Also, he can’t go a minute without talking about himself or his own “accomplishments”
Ben parkes? Whats he up to? Did he get married in the end?
Mountain egg guy? Cant remember name? Nice guy
Scullion? Was trying to run 30 min 10k?
Philly doesnt she literally race every 2 years? All talk
South african in full strip has achilles issue. Cant remember name? Pretty annoying
I do watch Total running productioms still
That old guy with the young bird did a video how hes on testosterone for rest of his life, stopped watching
Alfie manthorpe, good bit out of my ability science wise
Anyone worth watching?
Fenton? He just posted something about walking around sports direct and then went on an interesting new style of running called "gravel running" where you run on a road for bits and also venture onto gravel trails.
Just watched a few minutes of Fenton on Godard’s podcast. I really do think he needs a different host on his own podcast. You can immediately tell he has no idea what Fentons talking about. Also, he can’t go a minute without talking about himself or his own “accomplishments”
I normally enjoy the podcasts despite Godard's questionable hosting skills if he gets a decent guest on, or just someone hilarious like Bester. But this one I couldn't get past about 10 minutes, incredibly dull.
Someone commented on Flobergs 10 miles at "goal pace" (which was about 2;29 pace) on Strava saying why are you running this pace when every race you've ran indicates you're in 2:35 shape and the man responded "My top end usually never translates to my marathon prediction. I think I'm within PB striking distance again."
He never races. When he does, he says he was untapered. When he does race his times indicate he is not in 2:30 shape and this is proven on race day. When does he ever look at "top end speed"? Don't the usual VDOT style calculations work for this man? Is he special?
Doesn't believe in US education system and thinks he knows better. Doesn't believe in the coaches guidance and thinks he knows better. Doesn't believe in VDOT calculators and thinks he knows better.
The man is an absolute idiot
He's constantly maxing himself out in his workouts as evidenced in the long run you mentioned and the other 2mi repeats he did earlier in the week. The paces he's hitting for the amount of effort he's putting in clearly show that he's in for a really unpleasant day if he goes out at 3:30/km pace at Boston. I suspect a blow up is on the horizon with a "just not my day" excuse and a "I freaking love this community" with the rock on emoji to close out the caption.
Just watched a few minutes of Fenton on Godard’s podcast. I really do think he needs a different host on his own podcast. You can immediately tell he has no idea what Fentons talking about. Also, he can’t go a minute without talking about himself or his own “accomplishments”
I think you can tell the level of insights you'll be getting when he says Ben recently ran 64:50, which is under 65:00. Like cheers bud, do you think your followers are unfamiliar with how time works?