Trollminator wrote:
All I can say is good riddance
I'm not entirely sure how one should respond to this. Trumpers will mourn. Left-leaners will come just short of saying "finally." The idea of shrugging one's shoulders (or rejoicing) when somebody passes just doesn't sit well with me. Never has and never will.
welp wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
All I can say is good riddance
I'm not entirely sure how one should respond to this. Trumpers will mourn. Left-leaners will come just short of saying "finally." The idea of shrugging one's shoulders (or rejoicing) when somebody passes just doesn't sit well with me. Never has and never will.
Is it safe to assume that "shrugging one's shoulders (or rejoicing)" like Tump and his rioters did when a police officer was murdered (head bashed in with a fire extinguisher) "doesn't sit well with" you?
vested in wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Interesting that your analogue is the cable provider. I got rid of cable TV several years ago and went with streaming, plus a digital antenna. Presto. No more cable TV bill.
Who provides your internet? You still pay for that regardless of whether a cable company is involved. You only use internet whether it is hardwired or wireless.
In our case, wireless internet is not an option because my wife is an online trainer and content developer and she needs gigabit internet to work from home.
I don't actually pay for internet. I work from home and my company pays.
And yes of course, I still have an internet bill. But it's a lot cheaper than having both internet and cable TV.
It's the same thing with going off grid. If I go off grid I still have to pay for equipment and maintenance on my solar and batteries. But like ditching cable TV, it will eventually be much cheaper do without it.
vested in wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
The same thing is going to happen with the power grid. Many people will opt out. Solar plus batteries can meet all your needs and you can just disconnect from the grid. This will make prices skyrocket for everyone who still uses the old grid.
If you opt out of the power grid you do not qualify any solar incentives. Only grid-tied solar qualifies because the incentives are funded by the grid-providers. I know this because an off-the-grid project I worked on for the a nature center had to stomach they would not get the solar rebate they budgeted for because they were going off the grid. Some donors offered to pony up the cost of the lost incentive.
Depends on the incentive. The federal tax credit does not require a grid-tied system. You get 26% off all panels, batteries, wires, and installation costs.
Fat hurts wrote:
vested in wrote:
Who provides your internet? You still pay for that regardless of whether a cable company is involved. You only use internet whether it is hardwired or wireless.
In our case, wireless internet is not an option because my wife is an online trainer and content developer and she needs gigabit internet to work from home.
I don't actually pay for internet. I work from home and my company pays.
And yes of course, I still have an internet bill. But it's a lot cheaper than having both internet and cable TV.
It's the same thing with going off grid. If I go off grid I still have to pay for equipment and maintenance on my solar and batteries. But like ditching cable TV, it will eventually be much cheaper do without it.
What happens when you stop working? You will have to pay for internet, ... if you want it for more than texting and simple email replies.
BTW: Going off the grid will not work for people who install solar that sets them up as "net" zero electricity (NZE) users. Off-the-grid requires about double the amount of solar panels, plus battery storage is required. The cost of off-the-grid much higher because for a home the worse case is dead of winter when the Sun is low in the sky and daylight hours are the lowest. The solar array (panels) need to be sized for that, and a good rule-of-thumb is to size the battery storage to carry you through 3-4 days of very cloudy weather occurring over the winter solstice (~Dec 20th). The penalty paid for surviving energy-free during the winter is generating a lot of unused solar power in the summer. That excess energy goes to waste when someone decides to go completely off-the-grid.
BTW2: To be completely off-the-grid would also require cutting off natural gas, and having an all-electric home. But most people won't go that far because converting to all electric space heating and water heating is expensive, and not as efficient as natural gas (specifically for water heating), and making those all electric means a larger solar array and larger battery storage.
vested in wrote:
welp wrote:
I'm not entirely sure how one should respond to this. Trumpers will mourn. Left-leaners will come just short of saying "finally." The idea of shrugging one's shoulders (or rejoicing) when somebody passes just doesn't sit well with me. Never has and never will.
Is it safe to assume that "shrugging one's shoulders (or rejoicing)" like Tump and his rioters did when a police officer was murdered (head bashed in with a fire extinguisher) "doesn't sit well with" you?
Rush and Mitch are cut of the same cloth. Two men who chose to use their extraordinary talents to make the world worse.
I do not mourn.
vested in wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I don't actually pay for internet. I work from home and my company pays.
And yes of course, I still have an internet bill. But it's a lot cheaper than having both internet and cable TV.
It's the same thing with going off grid. If I go off grid I still have to pay for equipment and maintenance on my solar and batteries. But like ditching cable TV, it will eventually be much cheaper do without it.
What happens when you stop working? You will have to pay for internet, ... if you want it for more than texting and simple email replies.
Yes, but that's beside the point. It will still be cheaper than having both internet and cable TV.
vested in wrote:
BTW: Going off the grid will not work for people who install solar that sets them up as "net" zero electricity (NZE) users. Off-the-grid requires about double the amount of solar panels, plus battery storage is required. The cost of off-the-grid much higher because for a home the worse case is dead of winter when the Sun is low in the sky and daylight hours are the lowest. The solar array (panels) need to be sized for that, and a good rule-of-thumb is to size the battery storage to carry you through 3-4 days of very cloudy weather occurring over the winter solstice (~Dec 20th). The penalty paid for surviving energy-free during the winter is generating a lot of unused solar power in the summer. That excess energy goes to waste when someone decides to go completely off-the-grid.
BTW2: To be completely off-the-grid would also require cutting off natural gas, and having an all-electric home. But most people won't go that far because converting to all electric space heating and water heating is expensive, and not as efficient as natural gas (specifically for water heating), and making those all electric means a larger solar array and larger battery storage.
Getting rid of gas is great! I don't have gas. My hybrid water heater is very efficient. Everyone should stop burning fossil fuels.
The price and efficiency of solar and batteries is dropping so fast that it will soon be cheaper for millions of homes to go off grid. Yes, you will need excess solar power and some might be wasted. But that's OK.
Off grid won't work for everyone, but the disruption is coming and it will cause higher prices for those who are stuck on the old-fashioned grid system. Government might have to step in and impose some new taxes just to keep the old grid going.
vested in wrote:
welp wrote:
I'm not entirely sure how one should respond to this. Trumpers will mourn. Left-leaners will come just short of saying "finally." The idea of shrugging one's shoulders (or rejoicing) when somebody passes just doesn't sit well with me. Never has and never will.
Is it safe to assume that "shrugging one's shoulders (or rejoicing)" like Tump and his rioters did when a police officer was murdered (head bashed in with a fire extinguisher) "doesn't sit well with" you?
Correct.
One day when someone close to you dies, you'll get it.
Fat hurts wrote:
The price and efficiency of solar and batteries is dropping so fast that it will soon be cheaper for millions of homes to go off grid. Yes, you will need excess solar power and some might be wasted. But that's OK.
Off grid won't work for everyone, but the disruption is coming and it will cause higher prices for those who are stuck on the old-fashioned grid system. Government might have to step in and impose some new taxes just to keep the old grid going.
Off the grid means 2x+ the amount of solar compared to being NZE (Net Zero Energy). Most homes do not have the roof area to do that.
Because the Sun moves around in the sky it makes more sense to stay grid connected. That is the greener solution because any excess energy your system generates can provide energy to homes, and businesses, that could cover their entire property and still not be able to go off the grid.
So, the solution to lifting all energy boats is what I call community solar; a solar farm. That is local grid tied common-use array solar, with some individual homes, with solar panels, that helps everyone in the committee be minimal energy importers (you still want to be connected to the larger grid to avoid what is happening in Texas).
The above is the solution that has been uses in Europe for decades. Here is an image of such a solution in France (called Les Mées). What I like about their solution is that they respected the environmental contours and let the solar panels flow with the terrain. In the U.S. the solution would be to plow the hills flat -- barf. The system below covers 500 acres, and has 110,000 solar panels.
https://offgridworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/solar-farm2-700x400.jpeghttps://www.amusingplanet.com/2015/04/the-les-mees-solar-farm-in-france.htmlagip wrote:
vested in wrote:
Is it safe to assume that "shrugging one's shoulders (or rejoicing)" like Tump and his rioters did when a police officer was murdered (head bashed in with a fire extinguisher) "doesn't sit well with" you?
Rush and Mitch are cut of the same cloth. Two men who chose to use their extraordinary talents to make the world worse.
I do not mourn.
This. I know the man has a family and I feel bad for them. But as to his own loss of life, him being not being around is a gain for the country. He was POS to the bone and until the very end. Much of my shrugging of the shoulders is due to him not giving up on his complete a$$holeness even after knowing he didn’t have much time left.
Will add that I’m thankful he lived just long enough to watch Trump lose and be replaced
https://twitter.com/haymonzp/status/1362156827367137281?s=21
welp wrote:
vested in wrote:
Is it safe to assume that "shrugging one's shoulders (or rejoicing)" like Tump and his rioters did when a police officer was murdered (head bashed in with a fire extinguisher) "doesn't sit well with" you?
Correct.
One day when someone close to you dies, you'll get it.
Really, troll? I don't get it? Try harder. You were close to Rush, your tears flow endlessly ... and you care not one bit about the Capitol police officer Trump's rioters murdered ... I get that.
Trollminator wrote:
Will add that I’m thankful he lived just long enough to watch Trump lose and be replaced
People like Rush lose the will to live when someone close to them turns out to be a loser.
We all deserve a presidential medal for finally being free of this POS
https://twitter.com/rhetoricpj/status/1362089913823461376?s=21
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
Rush and Mitch are cut of the same cloth. Two men who chose to use their extraordinary talents to make the world worse.
I do not mourn.
This. I know the man has a family and I feel bad for them. But as to his own loss of life, him being not being around is a gain for the country. He was POS to the bone and until the very end. Much of my shrugging of the shoulders is due to him not giving up on his complete a$$holeness even after knowing he didn’t have much time left.
I can't lie and say I feel bad that he died because I don't. I guess there is no need for me to post that publicly so I won't post anymore of my thoughts on this.
vested in wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
The price and efficiency of solar and batteries is dropping so fast that it will soon be cheaper for millions of homes to go off grid. Yes, you will need excess solar power and some might be wasted. But that's OK.
Off grid won't work for everyone, but the disruption is coming and it will cause higher prices for those who are stuck on the old-fashioned grid system. Government might have to step in and impose some new taxes just to keep the old grid going.
Off the grid means 2x+ the amount of solar compared to being NZE (Net Zero Energy). Most homes do not have the roof area to do that.
Solar efficiency continues to improve. So you won't need as much roof space for 2x the output. Also, you can use a ground mounted system.
vested in wrote:
Because the Sun moves around in the sky it makes more sense to stay grid connected. That is the greener solution because any excess energy your system generates can provide energy to homes, and businesses, that could cover their entire property and still not be able to go off the grid.
So, the solution to lifting all energy boats is what I call community solar; a solar farm. That is local grid tied common-use array solar, with some individual homes, with solar panels, that helps everyone in the committee be minimal energy importers (you still want to be connected to the larger grid to avoid what is happening in Texas).
Yes, community solar is and will continue to be a great solution for many. The problem comes when prices fall so much that it starts to make more sense to be off grid. And this will happen. It is already happening to some extent in Hawaii where the grid operators will no longer allow solar hookups because there is too much residential power on the grid. Eventually, that's going to happen in many more parts of the country.
vested in wrote:
The above is the solution that has been uses in Europe for decades. Here is an image of such a solution in France (called Les Mées). What I like about their solution is that they respected the environmental contours and let the solar panels flow with the terrain. In the U.S. the solution would be to plow the hills flat -- barf. The system below covers 500 acres, and has 110,000 solar panels.
https://offgridworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/solar-farm2-700x400.jpeghttps://www.amusingplanet.com/2015/04/the-les-mees-solar-farm-in-france.html
Nice.
Trollminator wrote:
We all deserve a presidential medal for finally being free of this POS
https://twitter.com/rhetoricpj/status/1362089913823461376?s=21
Are you sure that is true? It seems if it was that blatant I would have heard about it.
Fat hurts wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
We all deserve a presidential medal for finally being free of this POS
https://twitter.com/rhetoricpj/status/1362089913823461376?s=21Are you sure that is true? It seems if it was that blatant I would have heard about it.
NYT:
In the Limbaugh lexicon, advocates for the homeless were “compassion fascists,” women who favored abortion were “feminazis,” environmentalists were “tree-hugging wackos.” He delivered “AIDS updates” with a Dionne Warwick song, “I’ll Never Love This Way Again,” called global warming a hoax and cruelly ridiculed Michael J. Fox, imitating the tremors that were a symptom of the actor’s Parkinson’s disease.
vested in wrote:
welp wrote:
Correct.
One day when someone close to you dies, you'll get it.
Really, troll? I don't get it? Try harder. You were close to Rush, your tears flow endlessly ... and you care not one bit about the Capitol police officer Trump's rioters murdered ... I get that.
Do your homework. Look back at this thread and you'll figure out what "side" im on. Dopey trumpers are the worst , but holy crap liberals like you give them plenty of material.
I hope the funeral is open casket so that people can line up to take a dump in his mouth. F that guy.
