Ben's running well. He seems like a nice enough guy but his content is absolutely awful, even without all the shilling, I just don't understand how his channel does well. In the Berlin prep video he talks about how his last session was tinkered due to work stress, which involved going to "a place called Winchester" to shoot content for De'Longhi... you're stealing a living pal!
Does he seem like a nice enough guy though? He seems totally out of touch and he will take money from literally anyone to shill their products. The bloke couldn't care less about the nonsense he dishes out to his subscribers as long as he's getting paid.
Dodgy online therapy? Just last week, Ben was shilling for Better Help, who in 2023 were fined $7.8mil for sharing sensitve customer data with third party advertisers like Facebook and Snapchat (including customer's health data and therapy emails/answers). But apparently this is all good because sometimes Ben gets sad when he has a bad session or whatever.
I'd argue that Ben's one of the worst of all these influencers.
Fully agree but imagine it from Fentons perspective, if it wasn't for running / YouTube - he and his missus were destined to a life of minimum wage coffee shop jobs, I doubt he'd say no to any sponsor offering over £100
Right, so Cole’s just whinged on Insta that he’s injured. Absolute shocker, that. Not sure what Mickey Mouse osteopath the lad has been listening to, but anyone with half a brain could see this coming. He’s been banging out absolutely ridiculous volume lately, and his body language has been dreadful; looking miserable as sin every session, like a bloke marching straight to the gallows.
Let’s hope he finally clocks that slogging through endless junk miles without any actual physiological adaptation is proper bollocks. Running high mileage just for the flex is a mug's game, mate. Sort it out.
Right, so Cole’s just whinged on Insta that he’s injured. Absolute shocker, that. Not sure what Mickey Mouse osteopath the lad has been listening to, but anyone with half a brain could see this coming. He’s been banging out absolutely ridiculous volume lately, and his body language has been dreadful; looking miserable as sin every session, like a bloke marching straight to the gallows.
Let’s hope he finally clocks that slogging through endless junk miles without any actual physiological adaptation is proper bollocks. Running high mileage just for the flex is a mug's game, mate. Sort it out.
Sadly can only agree. Much as I like Cole and think he has big potential he probably does not want to admit it but this was always likely to happen with the sheer volume and intensity of his training. Does not matter how many times you use a massage gun or have physio if you are doing to much you will eventually get injured. Wishing him a speedy recovery and hopefully he learns from this.
Right, so Cole’s just whinged on Insta that he’s injured. Absolute shocker, that. Not sure what Mickey Mouse osteopath the lad has been listening to, but anyone with half a brain could see this coming. He’s been banging out absolutely ridiculous volume lately, and his body language has been dreadful; looking miserable as sin every session, like a bloke marching straight to the gallows.
Let’s hope he finally clocks that slogging through endless junk miles without any actual physiological adaptation is proper bollocks. Running high mileage just for the flex is a mug's game, mate. Sort it out.
Sadly can only agree. Much as I like Cole and think he has big potential he probably does not want to admit it but this was always likely to happen with the sheer volume and intensity of his training. Does not matter how many times you use a massage gun or have physio if you are doing to much you will eventually get injured. Wishing him a speedy recovery and hopefully he learns from this.
I can't help but feel like he still doesn't get it.
He's all like "but I use my massage gun, how did this happen" whilst smashing out Kelvin Kiptum-style weeks.
Cole, you're a likeable lad, but you need to start training based on the level you're at, not the level you wish you were.
Right, so Cole’s just whinged on Insta that he’s injured. Absolute shocker, that. Not sure what Mickey Mouse osteopath the lad has been listening to, but anyone with half a brain could see this coming. He’s been banging out absolutely ridiculous volume lately, and his body language has been dreadful; looking miserable as sin every session, like a bloke marching straight to the gallows.
Let’s hope he finally clocks that slogging through endless junk miles without any actual physiological adaptation is proper bollocks. Running high mileage just for the flex is a mug's game, mate. Sort it out.
Sadly can only agree. Much as I like Cole and think he has big potential he probably does not want to admit it but this was always likely to happen with the sheer volume and intensity of his training. Does not matter how many times you use a massage gun or have physio if you are doing to much you will eventually get injured. Wishing him a speedy recovery and hopefully he learns from this.
Wait what??? Are you saying you can't just do 45 kms the day after a HM pb?
Hopefully nothing serious and a speedy recovery for London!
On the other hand, Ben is begging is off to Mallorca to see Mike Ashley and sit together and look at the books.
I really like Cole and hope he hasn’t got anything serious like a femoral stress fracture. However…. I don’t think his current training levels are sustainable, so it also wouldn’t surprise me if something is wrong. Fingers crossed it’s a quick fix and he gets back on track for London.
Unfortunately, this was correct :( ok he has a stress response rather than fracture but ultimately they’re similar to manage. Gutted for him - but from his latest vid it sounds like he’ll start training smarter going forward.
Genuinely curious; what’s the influencer endgame? What are all these YouTubers and Instagrammers ultimately aiming to achieve?
I do have some empathy, in your twenties, a more traditional career path mostly sucks - working for yourself and getting comped trips and gear would be very very appealing.
The lifestyle seems good. But surely they can’t all be making huge money let alone pensions etc.
What happens when reality hits? Do they just influence indefinitely or run some crappy coaching business?
Genuinely curious; what’s the influencer endgame? What are all these YouTubers and Instagrammers ultimately aiming to achieve?
I do have some empathy, in your twenties, a more traditional career path mostly sucks - working for yourself and getting comped trips and gear would be very very appealing.
The lifestyle seems good. But surely they can’t all be making huge money let alone pensions etc.
What happens when reality hits? Do they just influence indefinitely or run some crappy coaching business?
That's why I think dental athlete has it figured. If for some reason he loses form and is no longer one of the best runners in the country, then he's got his content to fall back on, then if that fails there's the teeth cleaning. Fair play to him
Can someone who knows more about running than me tell me why these guys aren’t progressing? Is Hobdell’s coaching bad? I don’t get it, they’ve had about two good results between them since Rory’s NR in Valencia, but there’s undeniably some talent in the group
Genuinely curious; what’s the influencer endgame? What are all these YouTubers and Instagrammers ultimately aiming to achieve?
I do have some empathy, in your twenties, a more traditional career path mostly sucks - working for yourself and getting comped trips and gear would be very very appealing.
The lifestyle seems good. But surely they can’t all be making huge money let alone pensions etc.
What happens when reality hits? Do they just influence indefinitely or run some crappy coaching business?
Ride the train until it eventually goes off the rails, following which they will sling coffee or running shoes until they are required to enter a low quality, state-subsidized retirement facility.
Flobergs last workout…22 miles. 10 at what he’s guessing is his race pace, 5:40, which gets him home in 2:28:30. I’ll take the over no matter how many times he uses the word “stimulus”. I’m calling it early, he will cite poor weather, wind, and having to weave around people as the reason he falls short of his 2:30 goal. Then he will spin it that it wasn’t his true goal anyways and Berlin is really where he’s trying to run 2:30.
Victor Smangs blow up to 65:30 or so. Matt Fox, blessed unhinged king that he is, did have a point the other week when he critiqued Smangs’ training imo
Victor seems to do everything so “right” - very high mileage, lots and lots of threshold and lactate testing, but in the end he hasn’t really improved that much (at all?) in a few years. Maybe he should adopt a less nordic approach to training. But also, he is over 40 now, so maybe age is just catching up. I do like him, even if a bit of an odd duck
Don't know who he is, but 65:30 is a hell of a run for a 40+ year old.
hard to fully tell, but some of the sessions on the womens side have been weak when you look at their 5k PBs.
Surely training cant be optimal for everyone when youve got a 1500m guy (Callum) through to a marathon guy (Ellis).
Ellis needs to leave the group to focus on marathon training. if I was him id be up north running with Phil S.
Callum, has gone backwards / stagnated whilst the 1500 scene has progressed hugely. How much is this down to his ceiling or the achilles injury we wont know (probably the former).
I think Efrem and Scotts talent has basically gave them some decent results rather then a solid training setup.
Rory seems to DNF alot ....
Im not really sure if Hokas angle with this group is performance or social media coverage.
Genuinely curious; what’s the influencer endgame? What are all these YouTubers and Instagrammers ultimately aiming to achieve?
I do have some empathy, in your twenties, a more traditional career path mostly sucks - working for yourself and getting comped trips and gear would be very very appealing.
The lifestyle seems good. But surely they can’t all be making huge money let alone pensions etc.
What happens when reality hits? Do they just influence indefinitely or run some crappy coaching business?
I think its build a viewership/fandom big enough that people still watch and subscribe to whatever content you put out, even if youre not as fast or going for as lofty goals as before.
Genuinely curious; what’s the influencer endgame? What are all these YouTubers and Instagrammers ultimately aiming to achieve?
I do have some empathy, in your twenties, a more traditional career path mostly sucks - working for yourself and getting comped trips and gear would be very very appealing.
The lifestyle seems good. But surely they can’t all be making huge money let alone pensions etc.
What happens when reality hits? Do they just influence indefinitely or run some crappy coaching business?
Endgame is go work in a marketing department for some big company.
These people know how the algorithms work, how to get engagement, how to identify markets, what the market rates are, what metrics to measure. Anyone who thinks they don't have "skills" for the real world is kidding themselves.
hard to fully tell, but some of the sessions on the womens side have been weak when you look at their 5k PBs.
Surely training cant be optimal for everyone when youve got a 1500m guy (Callum) through to a marathon guy (Ellis).
Ellis needs to leave the group to focus on marathon training. if I was him id be up north running with Phil S.
Callum, has gone backwards / stagnated whilst the 1500 scene has progressed hugely. How much is this down to his ceiling or the achilles injury we wont know (probably the former).
I think Efrem and Scotts talent has basically gave them some decent results rather then a solid training setup.
Rory seems to DNF alot ....
Im not really sure if Hokas angle with this group is performance or social media coverage.
Would love to see the Run it Three Ways fellas get back together with Fenton absolutely handing it back to Elson.
hard to fully tell, but some of the sessions on the womens side have been weak when you look at their 5k PBs.
Surely training cant be optimal for everyone when youve got a 1500m guy (Callum) through to a marathon guy (Ellis).
Ellis needs to leave the group to focus on marathon training. if I was him id be up north running with Phil S.
Callum, has gone backwards / stagnated whilst the 1500 scene has progressed hugely. How much is this down to his ceiling or the achilles injury we wont know (probably the former).
I think Efrem and Scotts talent has basically gave them some decent results rather then a solid training setup.
Rory seems to DNF alot ....
Im not really sure if Hokas angle with this group is performance or social media coverage.
They are one "group", yes, but they don't do all their sessions together, all the time.
From what we can see in the videos Ellis and Sarah were doing much of their marathon training, alone. Callum seems to jump in with the 5-10k guys for threshold work, but he also does his own 1500m specific work, you can see this in the videos and the athlete's stravas.
Seems entirely normal for a training group tbh. Shockingly bad results on Saturday, yes, but Hobdell has a good resume, I'd say he knows what he's doing.