Official Covid Vaccine thread

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

Valid Username wrote:

Let me explain to you how drugs are tested for safety. To be safe, drugs must do less harm than the benefit they are meant to provide. This is done by conducting a large, long duration, often 5 years, double blind, placebo controlled drug trial. Placebo control means that a group of test subject of equal size to other test groups must be give saline. Saline is used because it is known with certainty to not harm humans in any way. Double blind means that neither the doctors conducting the trial nor the test subjects can know if they are getting saline (placebo) or the drug being tested. Such a study has never been done for any vaccine. If you doubt me, post a link to the study. Otherwise, STFU and let the people that understand science do the talking.

Let me tell you that mortality rates are lowest among the unvaccinated:

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Valid Username wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Good news. They are safety tested!

He should be satisfied

Let me explain to you how drugs are tested for safety. To be safe, drugs must do less harm than the benefit they are meant to provide. This is done by conducting a large, long duration, often 5 years, double blind, placebo controlled drug trial. Placebo control means that a group of test subject of equal size to other test groups must be give saline. Saline is used because it is known with certainty to not harm humans in any way. Double blind means that neither the doctors conducting the trial nor the test subjects can know if they are getting saline (placebo) or the drug being tested. Such a study has never been done for any vaccine. If you doubt me, post a link to the study. Otherwise, STFU and let the people that understand science do the talking.

Valid Username wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Link:www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa20...

Literally the first trial I found.

5 years definitely not a standard for trials. That's a number you made up.

Not even 120 days. In actual science, to prove safety, the trial must be “long term”. Less than four months is not long-term and no other drug on the market has been approved for use in humans after such a short period with the possible exception of a few drugs that showed benefit in late stage terminal cancer patients. But even this is exceptionally. Vaccine don’t remotely fall into this category.

fisky wrote:

I've been away from this thread for about a week. Since the current topic seems to be vaccine safety and there may be some readers that are still undecided on this issue, let me point out that there has been no random, long term clinical trial on the Pfizer mRNA Covid-19 vaccine... nor will there ever be.

1. First, it was not a random selection of the general population. Children, pregnant women, certain pre-existing conditions, and subjects who had previously had covid were excluded. Yet the vaccine was eventually given EUA for all these populations.

2. Subjects were followed for an average of only two months before the vaccine was given EUA.

3. The clinical trial was unblinded shortly after the vaccine received EUA. There won't be any long term clinical trial results because there is no longer a control group.

Finally, there have been hundreds if not thousands of anecdotal reports of alledged vaccine adverse events. These include turbo cancer, a rise in cancer, resurgence of cancers previously in remission shortly after vaccination, sudden adult death syndrome, heart attacks, heart attacks among young people, blood clots, and neurological disorders.

Everything above this line is a fact. Points 1 and 2 are in Pfizer's clinical trial report. The unblinding of the clinical trial is a fact. That thousands of anecdotal reports of alleged adverse events exist is a fact.

Now, my opinion. As I have argued over and over on this thread, the CDC has the data, or could quickly generate the data, to prove or disprove these allegations of adverse events. If the vaccine was not causing these adverse events, the CDC could refute each of those allegations by publishing compelling data to prove that the vaccine does not cause those events.

The CDC has not done this. The CDC has refused to give the public and even the general medical profession the facts upon which to made informed medical decisions.

This is not medicine by science. This is medicine by edict.

Harambe wrote:

fisky wrote:

I've been away from this thread for about a week. Since the current topic seems to be vaccine safety and there may be some readers that are still undecided on this issue, let me point out that there has been no random, long term clinical trial on the Pfizer mRNA Covid-19 vaccine... nor will there ever be.

1. First, it was not a random selection of the general population. Children, pregnant women, certain pre-existing conditions, and subjects who had previously had covid were excluded. Yet the vaccine was eventually given EUA for all these populations.

2. Subjects were followed for an average of only two months before the vaccine was given EUA.

3. The clinical trial was unblinded shortly after the vaccine received EUA. There won't be any long term clinical trial results because there is no longer a control group.

Finally, there have been hundreds if not thousands of anecdotal reports of alledged vaccine adverse events. These include turbo cancer, a rise in cancer, resurgence of cancers previously in remission shortly after vaccination, sudden adult death syndrome, heart attacks, heart attacks among young people, blood clots, and neurological disorders.

Everything above this line is a fact. Points 1 and 2 are in Pfizer's clinical trial report. The unblinding of the clinical trial is a fact. That thousands of anecdotal reports of alleged adverse events exist is a fact.

Now, my opinion. As I have argued over and over on this thread, the CDC has the data, or could quickly generate the data, to prove or disprove these allegations of adverse events. If the vaccine was not causing these adverse events, the CDC could refute each of those allegations by publishing compelling data to prove that the vaccine does not cause those events.

The CDC has not done this. The CDC has refused to give the public and even the general medical profession the facts upon which to made informed medical decisions.

This is not medicine by science. This is medicine by edict.

1) There were trials of the mRNA vax in pregnant women and children. They just came later

2) Lots of non scientists seem to think that most clinical trials follow people for years to determine if drugs are safe. This is not true, especially if the drug is a single dose that rapidly clears the body (I.e. vaccines). Even the people lying about tons of cardiac deaths usually claim they happen within a few months of the last dose!

3. Obviously the trial was unblinded. You can’t force people to stay on the placebo control when it’s demonstrated that the vaccine works so well. That’s highly, highly unethical. You’re basically demanding that people 10X their COVID risk to satisfy your extreme vaccine skepticism.

The CDC has published many reports about risk of adverse events after mRNA vaccines. Independent scientists have as well. For example, there was a recent report showing again that myocarditis is less common after vaccination that COVID infection for all ages.

Did you read it and change your mind? No.

Harambe wrote:

fisky wrote:

I've been away from this thread for about a week. Since the current topic seems to be vaccine safety and there may be some readers that are still undecided on this issue, let me point out that there has been no random, long term clinical trial on the Pfizer mRNA Covid-19 vaccine... nor will there ever be.

1. First, it was not a random selection of the general population. Children, pregnant women, certain pre-existing conditions, and subjects who had previously had covid were excluded. Yet the vaccine was eventually given EUA for all these populations.

2. Subjects were followed for an average of only two months before the vaccine was given EUA.

3. The clinical trial was unblinded shortly after the vaccine received EUA. There won't be any long term clinical trial results because there is no longer a control group.

Finally, there have been hundreds if not thousands of anecdotal reports of alledged vaccine adverse events. These include turbo cancer, a rise in cancer, resurgence of cancers previously in remission shortly after vaccination, sudden adult death syndrome, heart attacks, heart attacks among young people, blood clots, and neurological disorders.

Everything above this line is a fact. Points 1 and 2 are in Pfizer's clinical trial report. The unblinding of the clinical trial is a fact. That thousands of anecdotal reports of alleged adverse events exist is a fact.

Now, my opinion. As I have argued over and over on this thread, the CDC has the data, or could quickly generate the data, to prove or disprove these allegations of adverse events. If the vaccine was not causing these adverse events, the CDC could refute each of those allegations by publishing compelling data to prove that the vaccine does not cause those events.

The CDC has not done this. The CDC has refused to give the public and even the general medical profession the facts upon which to made informed medical decisions.

This is not medicine by science. This is medicine by edict.

1) There were trials of the mRNA vax in pregnant women and children. They just came later

2) Lots of non scientists seem to think that most clinical trials follow people for years to determine if drugs are safe. This is not true, especially if the drug is a single dose that rapidly clears the body (I.e. vaccines). Even the people lying about tons of cardiac deaths usually claim they happen within a few months of the last dose!

3. Obviously the trial was unblinded. You can’t force people to stay on the placebo control when it’s demonstrated that the vaccine works so well. That’s highly, highly unethical. You’re basically demanding that people 10X their COVID risk to satisfy your extreme vaccine skepticism.

The CDC has published many reports about risk of adverse events after mRNA vaccines. Independent scientists have as well. For example, there was a recent report showing again that myocarditis is less common after vaccination that COVID infection for all ages.

Did you read it and change your mind? No.