when he was in his thirties and convincingly beaten by Vasala at Munich.
If we take modern references Vasala would be considered as an obvious doper. In all his carrer he has a single result in 1972 and seems to have peaked only for 1 month half that year.
Exactly. If, according to Coevett and the ignorant Armstrong, Keino was an obvious doper, then so was Vasala.
If we take modern references Vasala would be considered as an obvious doper. In all his carrer he has a single result in 1972 and seems to have peaked only for 1 month half that year.
Exactly. If, according to Coevett and the ignorant Armstrong, Keino was an obvious doper, then so was Vasala.
What a compelling argument. And the similarities between them are?
You talk unbelievable cr*p. Keino was "just getting into his stride in '72" - when he was in his thirties and convincingly beaten by Vasala at Munich. Keino peaked in '68. His best times over the 1500/mile were nowhere near what Bayi and Walker were achieving by '76 and he would have stood no chance in the longer distances against Viren - or even Quax. You are a fantasist of the highest order.
You are so stupid you can't tell that's Coevett you're replying to. Just one of his usual, unoriginal "satires".
It wasn't satirical. It was indistinguishable from the utter garbage you continue to post.
If we take modern references Vasala would be considered as an obvious doper. In all his carrer he has a single result in 1972 and seems to have peaked only for 1 month half that year.
Exactly. If, according to Coevett and the ignorant Armstrong, Keino was an obvious doper, then so was Vasala.
You think I've ever defended the dirty Finns of the 70's? Still, they demonstrated that even a tiny European country like Finland doping like the Kenyans, were better than the Kenyans.
when he was in his thirties and convincingly beaten by Vasala at Munich.
If we take modern references Vasala would be considered as an obvious doper. In all his carrer he has a single result in 1972 and seems to have peaked only for 1 month half that year.
Tell us what you know about Vasala's career that leads to a conclusion of doping?
If we take modern references Vasala would be considered as an obvious doper. In all his carrer he has a single result in 1972 and seems to have peaked only for 1 month half that year.
Exactly. If, according to Coevett and the ignorant Armstrong, Keino was an obvious doper, then so was Vasala.
Is that also meant to be a defence of Keino? A "whataboutism"?
Nothing in the arguments of the Kenyan apologists explains why a country they claim is so naturally gifted at running and so "successful" has turned to doping as a commonplace. Why would they succumb to what they so obviously don't need? Maybe they weren't so naturally gifted after all.
Dear me. I am not Coevett. Never have been. I did meet Ovett at a track meet in 1981 (i was running a invitee marathon that started and finished as bookends to the events). Mickey Mouse sweatshirt on. Classic. As for your comments. Yes, doping is a global problem, but the Kenyans are way worse than any other country by far. Look at the figures. They cheat. A lot.
If you are really not Coevett (I'm sceptical) why are you adressing such nonsense ( "Still no comment about the 'genetic superiority' of Kenyan distance running") to me?
Have you asked me something? Genetics are obviously important, the genes of a cheetah might differ from yours.
For sure Boit could have beaten Juantorena in Montreal. He has beaten Van Damme after the games in Zürich and ended the season just 0.07 seconds behind Juantorena in the all-time list. But I know you are not interested in facts.
Realistic chances for Gold would have been 76 800m, 80, 5000m, 10000m, steeple. Most realistic scenario, Kenya would have won 1 or 2 Golds at these two games as well as around 7 medals.
But Kenya has boycotted so they won zero medals.
But you can't count above two. And you prefer lying. Your next posts will show this again.
More garbage. Boit wouldn't have beaten Juantorena or Van Damme in Montreal - he was only a place-getter against his own countrymen at Christchurch in '74. That's all Boit ever was - a mere place-getter, beaten at Munich and Christchurch and regularly losing to the best in the late '70's.
None of your imaginary Kenyans - who? - would have beaten the gold medallists of Juantorena, Walker, Viren, Ovett, Coe, Yifter or Cierpinski in '76 or 80.
In 72 Boit's SB was 1:45.87 - Olympic Bronze
In 74 Boit's SB was 1:44.18 - Commonwealth Silver in January
In 76 Boit's SB was 1:43.57. He won the biggest race of the season after the Olympics in Zürich against Van Damme , Wohlhuter, Susanj, Ovett.
Dear me. I am not Coevett. Never have been. I did meet Ovett at a track meet in 1981 (i was running a invitee marathon that started and finished as bookends to the events). Mickey Mouse sweatshirt on. Classic. As for your comments. Yes, doping is a global problem, but the Kenyans are way worse than any other country by far. Look at the figures. They cheat. A lot.
If you are really not Coevett (I'm sceptical) why are you adressing such nonsense ( "Still no comment about the 'genetic superiority' of Kenyan distance running") to me?
Have you asked me something? Genetics are obviously important, the genes of a cheetah might differ from yours.
Are you really comparing the alleged genetic differences between Kenyans and Europeans, with the genetic differences between a cheetah and a human.??? Dear God.
If you are really not Coevett (I'm sceptical) why are you adressing such nonsense ( "Still no comment about the 'genetic superiority' of Kenyan distance running") to me?
Have you asked me something? Genetics are obviously important, the genes of a cheetah might differ from yours.
Are you really comparing the alleged genetic differences between Kenyans and Europeans, with the genetic differences between a cheetah and a human.??? Dear God.
I have nothing said about different genes of a cheetah and a human...
But, yes, different ethnic groups differ also in there genes. Look, for example, at the skin color of a Kenyan and a Brit. Can you detect some difference?
More garbage. Boit wouldn't have beaten Juantorena or Van Damme in Montreal - he was only a place-getter against his own countrymen at Christchurch in '74. That's all Boit ever was - a mere place-getter, beaten at Munich and Christchurch and regularly losing to the best in the late '70's.
None of your imaginary Kenyans - who? - would have beaten the gold medallists of Juantorena, Walker, Viren, Ovett, Coe, Yifter or Cierpinski in '76 or 80.
In 72 Boit's SB was 1:45.87 - Olympic Bronze
In 74 Boit's SB was 1:44.18 - Commonwealth Silver in January
In 76 Boit's SB was 1:43.57. He won the biggest race of the season after the Olympics in Zürich against Van Damme , Wohlhuter, Susanj, Ovett.
For sure he could have won in Montreal.
It's just a pity that this pointless African boycott avoided such great duels:
Boit - Juantorena in the 800m (in 77 Boit was not as good as he was in 76)
Bayi - Walker in the 1500m
Yifter, Rono, Ngeno and others - Viren, Quax in the long distances
Are you really comparing the alleged genetic differences between Kenyans and Europeans, with the genetic differences between a cheetah and a human.??? Dear God.
I have nothing said about different genes of a cheetah and a human...
But, yes, different ethnic groups differ also in there genes. Look, for example, at the skin color of a Kenyan and a Brit. Can you detect some difference?
It's there for everybody to see you imbecile. As Armstrong said, you really do live in a fantasy world.
And you're the type who have been constantly playing the race card against me in particular, and anyone in general who disagrees with you about Kenyan doping. You literally believe that Kenyans are as genetically distinct from humans as cheetahs are. Your 'scientific racism' would make even a Victorian blush.
I have nothing said about different genes of a cheetah and a human...
But, yes, different ethnic groups differ also in there genes. Look, for example, at the skin color of a Kenyan and a Brit. Can you detect some difference?
It's there for everybody to see you imbecile. As Armstrong said, you really do live in a fantasy world.
And you're the type who have been constantly playing the race card against me in particular, and anyone in general who disagrees with you about Kenyan doping. You literally believe that Kenyans are as genetically distinct from humans as cheetahs are. Your 'scientific racism' would make even a Victorian blush.
The main point about the cheetah went unnoticed by you...
When objectivity and correct statistics do not agree with your will for you it's fantasy.
What do you mean with "disagreeing about Kenyan doping"?
More garbage. Boit wouldn't have beaten Juantorena or Van Damme in Montreal - he was only a place-getter against his own countrymen at Christchurch in '74. That's all Boit ever was - a mere place-getter, beaten at Munich and Christchurch and regularly losing to the best in the late '70's.
None of your imaginary Kenyans - who? - would have beaten the gold medallists of Juantorena, Walker, Viren, Ovett, Coe, Yifter or Cierpinski in '76 or 80.
In 72 Boit's SB was 1:45.87 - Olympic Bronze
In 74 Boit's SB was 1:44.18 - Commonwealth Silver in January
In 76 Boit's SB was 1:43.57. He won the biggest race of the season after the Olympics in Zürich against Van Damme , Wohlhuter, Susanj, Ovett.
For sure he could have won in Montreal.
If Juantorena had broken a leg. Boit never won a major championship or set a world mark. He was in the mix but not the best.
Are you really comparing the alleged genetic differences between Kenyans and Europeans, with the genetic differences between a cheetah and a human.??? Dear God.
I have nothing said about different genes of a cheetah and a human...
But, yes, different ethnic groups differ also in there genes. Look, for example, at the skin color of a Kenyan and a Brit. Can you detect some difference?
You said nothing about the difference in genes between a cheetah and a human? That is exactly the example you gave.
Are you really comparing the alleged genetic differences between Kenyans and Europeans, with the genetic differences between a cheetah and a human.??? Dear God.
I have nothing said about different genes of a cheetah and a human...
But, yes, different ethnic groups differ also in there genes. Look, for example, at the skin color of a Kenyan and a Brit. Can you detect some difference?
"Genetics are obviously important, the genes of a cheetah might differ from yours."(quote)
My point is that despite any genetic, geographic or cultural gifts the Kenyan distance runners still feel the need to dope with intent to cheat. Why do you think they find it necessary to cheat at such a high level? (I'm not interested in the 'everyone's doing it' argument. Merely that you may have an opinion rather that rhetoric and vitriol).