Comeback journey to sub 20 min 5 k at age 66....

Oh, i forgot… lol

Pity the quoted post has been removed.

No idea what was removed but this is the problem with elite level running where a lot of they know and does not translate to those that are not elite.

so those returning to running as a master runner would be better doing hobby jogger training and testing and benchmarks as the performance gains are far different then if you can run those times as your aerobic power is very much declined as well as muscle strength to maintain that pace

I see you write a lot of crap. Not so strange much of it gets removed. Good of you mods!

I'm so sorry most people here don't understand your greatness and deep experience of proper training mr Wizard. But just keep on your good work . You are a great asset to this site. Thank you.

Yes it’s true, it was a lot of crap the wizard posted, so it got removed. good of you mods! 👍🏻

Definitely sarcasm right?

Jakob has more information than you. he's been doing the same workouts every year, for several years. he knows what his performances look like compared to his workouts because he is consistent, year after year.

I’ve been doing that for years, but then I stumbled across someone who skips most of the “abracadabra” and just uses common sense for us mere mortals.
Maybe you’ve heard of him? Sirpoc84? Yeah, that’s right—you’re one of his Strava disciples.
Now I take easy days easy. I know, radical concept.
And annoyingly… it turns out that actually works

And from the NSM thread that Jan frequently reads.

In that same vein Filip Ingebrigtsen was on a Norwegian podcast recently, where he was asked about his hills training.
Which he proceed to describe, but then goes:
But you know what .. Hills are the first workout I'd ditch, if I was a hobby jogger. When you're time constrained you want work outs that gives the most effect. If you only have 6-8 sessions a week then it's a waste of a session [...] Mileage is the most important thing. Threshold is great as it gives you a mix the best mix mileage and training harder
[...] The fewer sessions you do in a week the harder you can train
(Paraphrased and translated from memory)
Also mentions that Jakob is so strong and effective in his running form that his threshold training is practically indistinguishable from VO2max training

You are both right and wrong in that claim I think.He has of course the very best control of his own training and progress over many years . I have the same perfect control over my own consistent individual training now and before when younger during 30 years as a serious runner inclusive national elite runner.Then I have something Jakob don't have, being coached hundreds of runners at all levels now for 11 years. Still Jakob and I have the same basic believe when it comes to the easy runs , they need to be more than just jogging around to be at most effective. 🧙‍♂️

That’s a bit naive of you Jan, I wish you well and only trying to help but you can’t coach stubborn athletes that don’t listen, you need to let them repeat their mistakes and hope they learn.

If you ever complete your challenge whether succeeding or failing, I recommend you re-read the comments and start to understand what others have said

I don't disagree with Filip.I almost never ran hills when at my prime as a national elite runner. The same to the many hundreds of runners at different levels from hobby joggers to elite I have coached . In this my comeback I used some fast hlllsprints to help getting in better shape before my serious comeback started . Mileage is of course important , but in my philosophy more HOW the mileage is performed and not mainly how MUCH of it. Just ENOUGH of it .

Of course I agree what you say you can't coach stubborn athletes that don't listen and don't follow what you give them .That kind of rare coach/ runner relations ends quickly of course.🧙‍♂️

I think he is talking about you right?

Being the stubborn one that doesn’t listen?

🤣🤣🤣 👍🏻

Today a new training week. Did 20 x 200m @ 4:08 pace, easy walkrest back to 120 bpm in 60- 90 sec . Feeling great!

I'm amazed my clip in the stride is still so rapid and smooth. Sub 20 5k , here I come ! Yippeee! )) 🇸🇪🧙‍♂️🇸🇪

You're pretty delusional, sir. 49.5 for 20 x 200. That puts you in sub-24 5000 shape if everything goes perfrctly.