zdf wrote:
The biggest positives (beyond the fun distraction) is the competitors getting exposure, and maybe this opening people's eyes to Emperor Lazarus having no clothes.
Yep!
Not that anybody wants to see that.
zdf wrote:
The biggest positives (beyond the fun distraction) is the competitors getting exposure, and maybe this opening people's eyes to Emperor Lazarus having no clothes.
Yep!
Not that anybody wants to see that.
jesseriley wrote:
It’s rumored that Travis posts as Tron, the fanatically devoted Proctor mouthpiece.
haha...except I completely disagree with their decision....and most my posts on this site have nothing to do with Dave/Ultrarunning
Class action lawsuit wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
It’s rumored that Travis posts as Tron, the fanatically devoted Proctor mouthpiece.
Ha, ha. Tron was already unreasonable last time around.
He has no clue about ultrarunning and he certainly proved this weekend that he should never give an ultrarunning advice again ever.
What a joke.
....oh yeah, what advice did i give this weekend?
i posted about this weekends race after it was all over questioning the DQ on Brunner
Fair enough, but Travis isn’t an ultra runner, either, and he claimed his decision had nothing to do with Proctor! Coincidence?
Also, since Proctor has failed to match the fast stages of his trans-Canada attempt in an actual race, it’s not too late to admit any reasonable person would be skeptical now, Tron. Few within the sport trust Proctor now, it’s not just me.
jesseriley wrote:
Fair enough, but Travis isn’t an ultra runner, either, and he claimed his decision had nothing to do with Proctor! Coincidence?
maybe it is! If it was my call though, I'd have given him a warning and at least discussed with him his side since he obviously thought he did nothing wrong and it could have been a technology issue...
But I thought your whole point in trans-Canada was to trust the technology (Strava & GPS) over someone who’d actually been involved in a trans-Canada record?
jesseriley wrote:
But I thought your whole point in trans-Canada was to trust the technology (Strava & GPS) over someone who’d actually been involved in a trans-Canada record?
yeah, I never said technology is fool proof but it's a good form of evidence in most the case of GPS over the alternative.
Our arguments of the Trans-Canada run were based on that and your thought that Dave was only using technology which wasn't the case as he was posting the pictures/ran with numerous other runners...Basically he was as diligent as you/Al were but with the technology of Strava on top of it as added proof.
I mean just look at this weekends event. It would be basically impossible to do it in the first place without technology but could be used to see if people did the proper distance, etc... in the end i feel the RDs weren't lenient enough for something they were having issues with throughout the weekend
I’m sure you won’t be influenced by someone with firsthand experience, and that’s not a problem. I actually enjoy the sport, watching and participating, and Proctor & his kind come & go. You wouldn’t know, but Proctor has since lost all credibility with a series of relatively poor performances in multi-day races.
Backyard Rules wrote:
But maybe he just got tired and lost his focus. If so, that's the *whole point of the race.* You have to stay disciplined, and it's a race of attrition. And Brunner had company, why did they not warn him? Who knows?
I get this, but I think Laz "yelling" at him to warn him would defeat this purpose then. If the game is to stay focused and maintain concentration, then you shouldn't get a heads-up. It's akin to playing that dumb drinking game "bizz/buzz," except if someone had to warn you before you had to say either of them.
I agree that the rule pretty clearly says that you need to start, but it's not clear to me what that entails. Would a single step have been okay? Did the treadmill actually need to be on, or could he literally have stepped forward on the non-moving treadmill and been in the clear? It feels wrong to DQ someone on a technicality when the rules aren't especially technical. There's clearly no intent to gain advantage, and I don't know how a delay of 90 or so seconds could plausibly even have given him one. And sure, he was standing on the treadmill for a 30th of the time allotted, but it never seemed as though he was deliberately or even consciously delaying. He wasn't standing there like "gimme a minute to psych myself up," he was trying to get his treadmill and iPad ready.
My sneaky suspicion here is that Laz didn't want the world record to be set in a quarantine/treadmill version of the event, which would have led to some asterisks and equivocating. This way the race gets a couple crazy performances, but the world record still stays on the OG loop.
Jeffrey Maier wrote:
My sneaky suspicion here is that Laz didn't want the world record to be set in a quarantine/treadmill version of the event, which would have led to some asterisks and equivocating. This way the race gets a couple crazy performances, but the world record still stays on the OG loop.
There is no World Record for this Nonsense.
The Backyard thing was a nice idea. And this virtual event was great too until the organizers and Laz ruined it. Since everybody was on different loops in different climate zones or at home all around the globe there was no World Record in sight anyway.
jesseriley wrote:
I’m sure you won’t be influenced by someone with firsthand experience, and that’s not a problem. I actually enjoy the sport, watching and participating, and Proctor & his kind come & go. You wouldn’t know, but Proctor has since lost all credibility with a series of relatively poor performances in multi-day races.
...maybe he has, like you said, i wouldn't know since I basically know no one from the ultra world. Since his Trans-Canada attempt, he has mixed results for sure
-12hr and 100mile treadmill world record
- poor showing at 6 days in the Dome
-DNF (3rd with 216miles at Laz big Backyard event)
But, if he lost all credibility, how did he round up this group of competitors for this event? When Bob Hearn was posting in the event, he said Dave was the one giving elites invites. If he had no credibility from the other elites, they wouldn't have signed, would they?
Did I ever tell you guys I’m going to run across Canada...in record time no less.
Fair enough, but “believing” Proctor’s trans-Canada wasn’t what made everyone enter. He’s capable at Backyard, no question (a far shorter event where he already had credibility).
But that war cry of “I’m gonna beat Al Howie by a week!”, that was bs.
I'm surprised no one has called out the guy in the coffee shop, if they were 25m loops as he claimed then he was doing a mile less per hour then anyone else. Go check for yourselves even a plain eye test shows his shuffle was to slow to be doing 6.7k
Class action lawsuit wrote:
zdf wrote:
The biggest positives (beyond the fun distraction) is the competitors getting exposure, and maybe this opening people's eyes to Emperor Lazarus having no clothes.
Yep!
Not that anybody wants to see that.
That would be ugly and worse than hiking his whatever event. The dude is a textbook weirdo.
Jeffrey Maier wrote:
Backyard Rules wrote:
But maybe he just got tired and lost his focus. If so, that's the *whole point of the race.* You have to stay disciplined, and it's a race of attrition. And Brunner had company, why did they not warn him? Who knows?
I get this, but I think Laz "yelling" at him to warn him would defeat this purpose then. If the game is to stay focused and maintain concentration, then you shouldn't get a heads-up. It's akin to playing that dumb drinking game "bizz/buzz," except if someone had to warn you before you had to say either of them.
I agree that the rule pretty clearly says that you need to start, but it's not clear to me what that entails. Would a single step have been okay? Did the treadmill actually need to be on, or could he literally have stepped forward on the non-moving treadmill and been in the clear? It feels wrong to DQ someone on a technicality when the rules aren't especially technical. There's clearly no intent to gain advantage, and I don't know how a delay of 90 or so seconds could plausibly even have given him one. And sure, he was standing on the treadmill for a 30th of the time allotted, but it never seemed as though he was deliberately or even consciously delaying. He wasn't standing there like "gimme a minute to psych myself up," he was trying to get his treadmill and iPad ready.
My sneaky suspicion here is that Laz didn't want the world record to be set in a quarantine/treadmill version of the event, which would have led to some asterisks and equivocating. This way the race gets a couple crazy performances, but the world record still stays on the OG loop.
Yup, it's weird but he really doesn't want anybody to finish his moronic Barkley thing.
Was this the same Laz from the Rob Young Cross Country thread?
Maybe ill re-read that classic over during these quiet times...
Tron, I can’t agree. It’s not “most”, it’s “none” of your posts are about ultrarunning!
Your “ultrarunning” posts are about shorter runs which you believe make you qualified to talk about longer runs.
This is exactly why your alter ego Travis screwed up refereeing Quarantine.
I'm sitting at home
I do not want to receive fines and, God forbid, become infected and infect loved ones