I give you props for beating the Wuhan virus AND for admitting you run 25/30 mpw. Ya know everyone else here runs 120mpw!
I give you props for beating the Wuhan virus AND for admitting you run 25/30 mpw. Ya know everyone else here runs 120mpw!
I can see that you are upset. Don't worry, the US taxpayer will bail you out for the busboy job you lost.
The good news is that the US will never rely on the China supply chain for critical medical supplies in the future. The bad news is that a busboy is your only future.
According to the current severe coronavirus spreading situation, you need at least a box of n95 for you and your family. now I have some factory resources to get the n95 masks....contact me.
RealityWuhan wrote:
The sad thing is that the US tax payer will now have to pay for the failures in the Chinese communist policy/health system, the EU lack of border control, culture norms and public health & policy systems.
Swine flu originated in Central and North America, thanks
https://money.cnn.com/2016/03/08/news/economy/donald-trump-trade/https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/06/ivanka-trump-gets-initial-approval-from-china-for-16-trademarks.htmlRealityWuhan wrote:
I can see that you are upset. Don't worry, the US taxpayer will bail you out for the busboy job you lost.
The good news is that the US will never rely on the China supply chain for critical medical supplies in the future. The bad news is that a busboy is your only future.
Dumb easily manipulated incel.
The 2009 Swine flu was believed to have originated in Mexico. It is considered to have dangers similar to seasonal flu. Thanks.
RealityWuhan wrote:
The 2009 Swine flu was believed to have originated in Mexico. It is considered to have dangers similar to seasonal flu. Thanks.
mmmh, Mexico is in Central/Nth America right/ How's the border?
how do you think the rest got it...from the fewre Mexican travellers or the USA?
Stop making Covid-19 into a blame game because you cannot manage it
This is why testing is important.
Warning...useful and important facts to follow:
Testing statistics per country:
Australia has done the 6th most tests (124K) They have the 6th least positives per tests.
Australia 8.6 out of 1,000 tests vs UK 67K and 60/1000 Italy 207K and 227/1000 !!!
Figures for some other relevant nations, so you can picture if you're in the crap or not.
Country/Population/Tests/Positives/Positives per 1,000/Tests per 1M people/pos per 1M
Australia/25.5M/124K tests/1,072 +ves/8.6 per K tests/4,862 tests per M/42 +ve per M
Italy/60.5M/207K tests/47,021+ves/227 per K tests/3,421 tests per M /777 +ve per M
Spain/46.8M/355K tests/24,926 +ves/70 per K tests/7,596 tests per M/534 +ve per M
S Korea/51.3M/332K tests/8,897 +ves/27 per K tests/6,416 tests per M/173 +ve per M
UK/67.9M/67K tests/3,983 +ves/60 per K tests/992 tests per M/59 +ve per M
USA/331M/183K tests/23,203 +ves/127 per K tests/557 tests per M/70 +ve per M
Opinion:
The top four listed here are testing a lot.
Australia shows a different picture to the next two.
They are testing more negative people, and indication that they are able to be more liberal with testing because the number of obvious symptoms/suspects are lower. I think they are on track to flatten, should show up in next two weeks. They should follow S Korea pattern, or better it.
UK and USA are under testing and will play catch up like Spain and Italy etc. You need to test more than 4 to 5 thousand per million, and thus the positives are under reported. USA more son given the +ve per test with low testing.
Sources are Worldometer andWikipaedia etc. Data is fluid and above is static and already 24hrs old
Any errors typos please 'kindly' point out, and feel free to analyse (not troll please)
nope wrote:
F all this and take it off the front page immediately. 100% hearsay and unverified. Shut this thread down. Stick to the peer reviewed medical journals.
Did you miss the bit about 'no trolling', or are the facts uncomfortable that USA is behind 8 ball?
Please check the above stats against the official figures, like I have done, or 'kindly' point out mistakes as I have 'kindly' requested
Bet you got a Flu shot. 2017 Military study found 37% more chance of getting a Corona virus after getting a flu shot.
A recent military study shows military personnel evaluated who received the flu vaccine were at 36 percent increased risk for coronavirus with varied benefit in preventing some strains of the flu.
“Examining noninfluenza viruses specifically, the odds of both coronavirus and human metapneumovirus in vaccinated individuals were significantly higher when compared to unvaccinated individuals (OR = 1.36 and 1.51, respectively) (Table 5).”
The flu vaccine studied demonstrated varied benefit in flu prevention – – some strains showed significant benefit while others did not.
Titled, Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017–2018 influenza season, the report on the study addresses the phenomena of vaccine virus interference of the influenza vaccine.
Flu Vaccine Interference
Paraphrasing, the study highlights the value of the human body’s ability to fight against viruses. Apparently, by contracting influenza, the body naturally “may reduce the risk of non-influenza respiratory viruses…”
Due to the flu vaccine’s “interference” with the naturally occurring biological process, there may be an increased risk of contracting non-influenza viruses:
“While influenza vaccination offers protection against influenza, natural influenza infection may reduce the risk of non-influenza respiratory viruses by providing temporary, non-specific immunity against these viruses. On the other hand, recently published studies have described the phenomenon of vaccine-associated virus interference; that is, vaccinated individuals may be at increased risk for other respiratory viruses because they do not receive the non-specific immunity associated with natural infection.”
Why This Topic?
I started digging into this topic on the Department of Veterans Affairs’ (VA) advice two weeks ago when I noticed the agency’s top advice about coronavirus was to “get a flu shot”.
This advice seemed a bit too simplistic when given to a population of largely elderly veterans with significant disabilities, vaccine histories, and exposures to various pathogens worldwide.
After writing about it, one reader sent an email citing this study in PubMed.
I was later provided a copy of the full study and reviewed it with an expert to verify my own conclusions based on the information in that report.
Informed Consent For Flu Vaccine
Now, the feedback I received that really caught my attention was mainly in a question: Is the heightened risk of coronavirus and other pathogens worth the benefit of the influenza vaccine based on this study as broken down in Table 5 above?
The column to focus on is “OR” in Table 5.
Coronavirus is 1.36 meaning 36% higher risk.
The influenza virus overall is 0.57 meaning the risk of contracting the flu was reduced overall. Three variants of flu did not receive a statistically significant reduction in risk.
Three of 8 evaluations noted a statistically insignificant benefit for the flu shot. Meanwhile, shot takers were at increased risk for coronavirus of 36%. I would bet $1 that this year, many Americans would likely rethink taking the vaccine with that bit of information.
LRC note: We found the link to the study above but it was talking about coronaviruses in general and not COVID-19
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X19313647?via%3Dihub
pleasethink wrote:
still here? wrote:
The right dosage of what? As other posters have noted, there is no identified cure or therapy at the moment. Need just to isolate to prevent spread, and let the bug run it’s course. I don’t see the benefit of testing at that stage (exhibiting symptoms), as a positive result shouldn’t really have any bearing on what you should do
Must be a troll; nobody could be so stupid. Well, except I guess the demented turnip theoretically running the country.
Ok, for the really dumb, here's why testing helps:
If you test and you're not infected, you can go back to work -- if you're in health care, or emergency services, this is especially helpful.
If you test and you're infected, ISOLATE!!
You’re quite stilted in thinking yourself.
You test today and come up negative. So fine.
You get infected tomorrow. Are you still good to go? Do we test you again? And then again the day after?
That's an interesting find, but I would bei hesistent to extrapolate the results from the coronaviruses they are taking about (which our immune system knows) to a noval virus.
Could you provide a link to this paper?
Already found it, thank you.
Here's a link to another compelling story from person who says he's a 42-year-old runner who has been diagnosed and now in the hospital. It's lengthly but shows how this disease can come on slowly and eventually progress to something where you need hospital care.
"When am I going to turn the corner? When is this all going to end? To everyone who said it was just a bad cold or like the flu, or that people were far more likely to be asymptomatic: f**k you. You have no idea what you’re talking about. This is not the cold. This is worse than the worst flu I’ve had. This is the Grim Reaper knocking on my door. I imagine him floating outside my window and flip him the bird. There’s more fear than bravado behind it. I cry some more, until a coughing episode forces me to get it under control.
"Two weeks ago, I did 13 pullups and ran a sub-seven mile. I ran 6 miles of a marathon with a partially torn tendon in my foot. I fractured my ankle and walked around on it for two weeks before bothering with the doctor. I am in shape. I am a tough guy. I tell myself these things as I gear up for my next, big challenge. I grit my teeth and roll to my side. I grab the water and take several large gulps. The icy liquid hitting my empty stomach is a shock, but I keep drinking. Okay. I did it. I have something to build on. Not dead yet.
12:00 pm – I feel great. I think I’ve turned a corner.
2:00 pm – I have not turned a corner."
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10218176292732695&set=a.1313909561727&type=3&theater
Update on "justthefacts" herehttps://www.letsrun.com/news/2020/03/update-letsrun-com-visitor-with-covid-19-continues-to-recover-his-fever-is-gone/ And the post below reminds us the situation doesn't get as good for everyone:
Unknown virus wrote:
Here's a link to another compelling story from person who says he's a 42-year-old runner who has been diagnosed and now in the hospital. It's lengthly but shows how this disease can come on slowly and eventually progress to something where you need hospital care.
"When am I going to turn the corner? When is this all going to end? To everyone who said it was just a bad cold or like the flu, or that people were far more likely to be asymptomatic: f**k you. You have no idea what you’re talking about. This is not the cold. This is worse than the worst flu I’ve had. This is the Grim Reaper knocking on my door. I imagine him floating outside my window and flip him the bird. There’s more fear than bravado behind it. I cry some more, until a coughing episode forces me to get it under control.
"Two weeks ago, I did 13 pullups and ran a sub-seven mile. I ran 6 miles of a marathon with a partially torn tendon in my foot. I fractured my ankle and walked around on it for two weeks before bothering with the doctor. I am in shape. I am a tough guy. I tell myself these things as I gear up for my next, big challenge. I grit my teeth and roll to my side. I grab the water and take several large gulps. The icy liquid hitting my empty stomach is a shock, but I keep drinking. Okay. I did it. I have something to build on. Not dead yet.
12:00 pm – I feel great. I think I’ve turned a corner.
2:00 pm – I have not turned a corner."
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10218176292732695&set=a.1313909561727&type=3&theater
Sure it's your choice to mask/isolate but if I could do it over again I sure as hell would.
Six point vo2max/vdot loss ten weeks later. Think about that.
Yeah it's anecdotal but I'm willing to bet other stories will eventually emerge.
This thing stiffens your lungs or heart or something even if you seem to recover fine or mild symptoms.
your choice wrote:
Sure it's your choice to mask/isolate but if I could do it over again I sure as hell would.
Six point vo2max/vdot loss ten weeks later. Think about that.
Yeah it's anecdotal but I'm willing to bet other stories will eventually emerge.
This thing stiffens your lungs or heart or something even if you seem to recover fine or mild symptoms.
I'm not running with a mask unless forced to or the number of cases where I live goes sky high, but I'm taking all other prudent social distancing measures. Losing years of fitness for a 2 week sickness isn't something to take lightly.
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