Official Doha WCs Day 9 (Saturday) Discussion Thread

1 1314 Hellen OBIRI KENKEN 14:26.72 CR

2 1308 Margaret Chelimo KIPKEMBOI KENKEN 14:27.49 PB

3 953 Konstanze KLOSTERHALFEN GERGER 14:28.43

4 722 Tsehay GEMECHU ETHETH 14:29.60 PB

5 1315 Lilian Kasait RENGERUK KENKEN 14:36.05 PB

6 731 Fantu WORKU ETHETH 14:40.47 PB

7 894 Laura WEIGHTMAN GBRGBR 14:44.57 PB

8 721 Hawi FEYSA ETHETH 14:44.92

9 2002 Karissa SCHWEIZER USAUSA 14:45.18 PB

10 880 Eilish MCCOLGAN GBRGBR 14:46.17 PB

11 1996 Elinor PURRIER USAUSA 14:58.17 PB

12 1507 Camille BUSCOMB NZLNZL 14:58.59 PB

13 440 Andrea SECCAFIEN CANCAN 14:59.95 PB

14 1256 Nozomi TANAKA JPNJPN 15:00.01 PB

15 1647 Dominique SCOTT RSARSA 15:24.47

Salazar admitted to using testosterone as an athlete and had another athlete test positive for the same thing.

If he was from any other country you’d be screaming drug coach.

Karissa is now #5 all time I believe, only a little behind Shalane and Molly. What a great first season as a pro.

Ah real monsters wrote:

brighteyes wrote:

Exactly. I recently read where she said Salazar's training was so much more demanding that she didn't think she could maintain when she first started. For years, we have seen NOP athletes doing workouts after major races etc. Years and years of this. I have been coming on letsrun.com since the early 2000's. Salazar was being smeared all the time way back then. The mickey mouse stuff he got charged with is pathetic. Even the report talked about Salazar and his diligence in making sure his athletes were not doping in terms that were damn near apologetic to him! There is nothing about him doping any runner in the report.

Salazar admitted to using testosterone as an athlete and had another athlete test positive for the same thing.

If he was from any other country you’d be screaming drug coach.

You don't know me and have absolutely no idea what I would be doing. Where are the athletes he has doped at NOP?

Hassan going OFF in the BBC interview!

Basically crying about how no one knows her body and that she's always been clean.

My solution, if these people are so confident about being clean - submit to a drug test every day. PROVE IT.

Michael Johnson offering some common sense now - thank you.

12 out of 15 in the 5,000 ran a PB today. Remember when racing used to be about wanting to run fast ? Then Farah came along.

a bloo bloo wrote:

No one should watch this sport without being skeptical given its history.

I'm sceptical of your reasoning, and also of your spelling.

trollism wrote:

Comedy race

She claims to have run angry to prove to everyone she’s not a cheat. Yeah running close to a WR at the WC after destroying the 10K will show everyone.

Nice to see Purrier finish the season on high note. 14:58.17 is a 10 second PB for her. She's improved 25 seconds from her first ever 5000 at PJ in May. I am looking forward to see what she does next year.

rojo wrote:

How big of an asterisk do we put next to KoKo's bronze since that baby wa so watered down?

The exact same size as the ones we put next to all other places in that race, of course. Doing anything else would reveal a somewhat troubling agenda.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Also, no we don't single out Hassan. The entire NOP and Nike team has this insane performance improvements and performing exactly at world's, and it's not even just the top guys like Brazier Hassan or Koko but also runners like Engels who suddenly run like from another planet and easily go through hard first round and semis.

Murphy, the Olympic bronze medalist and NOPer, finished last in the 800. Quite a FALL from 2016. Rowbury didn't even make the US team. Kejelcha, after a fantastic indoor season, has been mediocre outdoors and was lucky to make the Ethiopian team.

Ah real monsters wrote:

brighteyes wrote:

Exactly. I recently read where she said Salazar's training was so much more demanding that she didn't think she could maintain when she first started. For years, we have seen NOP athletes doing workouts after major races etc. Years and years of this. I have been coming on letsrun.com since the early 2000's. Salazar was being smeared all the time way back then. The mickey mouse stuff he got charged with is pathetic. Even the report talked about Salazar and his diligence in making sure his athletes were not doping in terms that were damn near apologetic to him! There is nothing about him doping any runner in the report.

Salazar admitted to using testosterone as an athlete and had another athlete test positive for the same thing.

If he was from any other country you’d be screaming drug coach.

Not only that, but he OPENLY admitted that the only way US athletes could compete for medals with the rest of the world was to dope. Dude was obviously microdosing his athletes with test cream and using TUE exemptions to subvert the system, but knowing how his mind works he thinks this is "within" the rules because they never failed a drug test. For sure Salazar still thinks he did nothing wrong. Dudes a sociopath who treated kids like Rupp as his science project.

It is not fair to blame Farah for the way women are racing ??

Han Solo wrote:

My solution, if these people are so confident about being clean - submit to a drug test every day. PROVE IT.

Do you have any idea how invasive to one's life and privacy regular ooc testing is? And it's not even particularly effective in catching dopers. Why on earth would anyone subject themselves to even more of that?

Les wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Also, no we don't single out Hassan. The entire NOP and Nike team has this insane performance improvements and performing exactly at world's, and it's not even just the top guys like Brazier Hassan or Koko but also runners like Engels who suddenly run like from another planet and easily go through hard first round and semis.

Murphy, the Olympic bronze medalist and NOPer, finished last in the 800. Quite a FALL from 2016. Rowbury didn't even make the US team. Kejelcha, after a fantastic indoor season, has been mediocre outdoors and was lucky to make the Ethiopian team.

That's just another argument for doping. Nike/NOP/Salazar are LIGHTYEARS ahead of doping agencies. They are doing stuff and using substances that might not even be tested/banned yet but will be in a few years. This is not grey area, this is actively trying to use new generation PED's to improve recoverability and athletic performance.

When you are experimenting with your athletes and new substances/methods, you might overdo it at one point, or someone might not respond to it. The thing why everyone is so mad about because Salazar didn't make T&F and improvement about training, but about how to use meds, supps and current/future doping methods in the most efficient way possible. He was trying to game the system, and overcome genetic disadvantages with the help of science and pharmacy. If you think he got a 4-year ban because of rubbing some testosterone gel on his son and Rupp in the massage sessions and injecting a liter of l-carnitine into Magness you are WRONG, he has done MUCH more than that otherwise he wouldn't have got a full 4-year ban.

Its almost time for US mens 4x100 to disappoint again

Does the relay medals count as 4 in the table ?

That really sucks wrote:

a bloo bloo wrote:

No one should watch this sport without being skeptical given its history.

I'm sceptical of your reasoning, and also of your spelling.

wow nice burn dude what does the word scepter sound like?

OMG someone buy an IAAF rule book to the Chinese girls...