Official thread to discuss moderation policies

BergLaufer wrote:

tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:

Wasn't there one where he predicted the medalers at the next Worlds or Olympics and every single one of them was white, including people ranked nowhere near the top 20 in their events.

I mean , that post alone is not egregious, just one more idiotic example of racism and race-baiting in a posting history full of them, but it's just funny that this is the guy that Malmo decides to plant his flag behind as a 'victim' on this board of 'false' accusations of racism.

That was here I believe:

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8831674

Yep that's the one.

Your 2020 10,000m gold medal favorite Alex Yee!

Yee is what...25 seconds off the A standard?

And Kyle Langford has reached the A standard what, ....once in his life by 0.04 seconds?

tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:

malmo wrote:

Wejo, I've never seen any of those posts. Can you verify that they are real?

It's much harder to overlook the random racist post and dismiss it as some blowhard, when based on the moderation history, there's every indication that the post may have in fact been created by the site itself.

It's really hard to take a thread like this sincerely. I half suspect this post will be deleted like it is every other time.

Most of the time you eventually explain it away racist posts lamely, 'oh sorry didn't see it, sorry that was up for so long.' Why not remove the moderator responsible for keeping it up and obviously protecting it for so long?

Stop whining. You can go take your snowflake browsing over to Reddit or some other dopey site where everything is bubble wrapped. Part of the fun of Letsrun is that it is anonymous and there is a lot of user freedom. Unfortunately, there are some prejudiced people out in the world and they will post what they will when given the chance. Trying to take actions of certain individuals on this site and pinning that on the BroJos is right out of the whiny Leftist snowflake playbook.

If it was just random people occasionally posting racist stuff it would one thing, but the main issue, as I clearly explained and you chose to completely ignore since apparently you don't have a suitable response, was the obvious and active role of the site moderators in preserving the racist material.

How can you defend that?

tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:

Yep that's the one.

Your 2020 10,000m gold medal favorite Alex Yee!

Yee is what...25 seconds off the A standard?

And Kyle Langford has reached the A standard what, ....once in his life by 0.04 seconds?

Alex Yee is a triathlete who won the British championship 10000m in his first or second race at the distance at age 20. He is also, I think, half Asian.

I'm a hardcore racist for predicting that Kyle Langford and Jakob would win Gold in Tokyo??

When I made that post (which assumed hopefully that Kenya would be suspended before Tokyo and that Ethiopia would have minimal testing introduced, neither of which looks possible now), Kyle had just won silver in the Commonwealth Games less than a year after being cheated out of bronze at the WC by Bett. And still only 21. He then basically missed the next year with injury.

In the same thread I was also mocked by the same people for claiming Jakob would win double gold in Tokyo. Among the claims made by the knowledgeable trolls was that it would either be way to early for Jakob, Jakob was already burnt out, or that it's simply racist to suggest anyone whose skin color isn't black could possibly ever win a global championship in distance running.

Jakob's 1500 pb at the time 3:39.

Furthermore, the trolls had already started labelling me as a 'racist' for claiming correctly that Kenya had a massive doping problem (before the recent slew of busts began) and so, perhaps unwisely, I did make a few posts like that to bait them.

tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:

alea iacta est wrote:

Stop whining. You can go take your snowflake browsing over to Reddit or some other dopey site where everything is bubble wrapped. Part of the fun of Letsrun is that it is anonymous and there is a lot of user freedom. Unfortunately, there are some prejudiced people out in the world and they will post what they will when given the chance. Trying to take actions of certain individuals on this site and pinning that on the BroJos is right out of the whiny Leftist snowflake playbook.

If it was just random people occasionally posting racist stuff it would one thing, but the main issue, as I clearly explained and you chose to completely ignore since apparently you don't have a suitable response, was the obvious and active role of the site moderators in preserving the racist material.

How can you defend that?

You're not smart so stop pretending you are. If you have an issue with LRC, go post somewhere else. No one will miss you.

Looking back at that thread I've got nothing much to be ashamed of there, and a lot to be proud of - particularly my faith in Jakob.

What I do see is fanatical racists screaming at the heresy of claiming that Ethiopians and Kenyans are not on a different planet to the rest of the human race and demanding I be burnt at the stake.

Now we know almost every week with greater clarity that this dominance is a large part the result of rampant doping, these voices are getting ever more desperate and aggressive in their insistence that it's racist to believe a talented young non-African could ever compete at the top of middle and long distance running.

It's as though this board was full of NAZIS claiming that Marita Koch and the rest proved the genetic superiority of aryans and anyone who disputes this is a racist, or Russian neo-nazis insisting that Russian athletes are superior and that every new bust or scandal out of Russia proves that the rest of the world are even dirtier, and deniers ought to be banned for anti-Russian racism.

I said the thread wasn't egregious and called out Yee and Langford, not Jakob. Is there a reason you felt the need to twist my words? It was probably your posts about people anally pleasuring themselves with black dildos that made me think you were racist if you really want to know.

really? that's what they said? Can you show where they said that? maybe they did, i dunno. seems weird though.

well, maybe you shouldn't have done that. Then you wouldn't have to whine about people calling you racist. Is that difficult to understand?

alea iacta est wrote:

tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:

If it was just random people occasionally posting racist stuff it would one thing, but the main issue, as I clearly explained and you chose to completely ignore since apparently you don't have a suitable response, was the obvious and active role of the site moderators in preserving the racist material.

How can you defend that?

You're not smart so stop pretending you are. If you have an issue with LRC, go post somewhere else. No one will miss you.

The thread is about the moderation issues on LRC. If you have a problem with that, go post somewhere else.

Also noticed you had zero answer to my question.

Coevett wrote:

Looking back at that thread I've got nothing much to be ashamed of there, and a lot to be proud of -

are you proud of your black dildo posts?

tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:

well, maybe you shouldn't have done that. Then you wouldn't have to whine about people calling you racist. Is that difficult to understand?

I'm not whining about people calling me racist, I'm complaining about a mentally unhinged stalker - you - threatening to doxx me, break my jaw (even now on threads where I haven't posted on and have nothing to do with me), posting bestiality fantasies etc and actually influencing other people here to believe I'm a racist.

Anyway, this moderation thread isn't about me, so I wont post in here again. It's up to the mods and site owners what to do about this apparently violent and deeply disturbed stalker. As I said, this guy clearly poses a potential risk to me and I do feel the need to protect myself at this point.

One of the capstone solutions to this problem is to have each post evaluated before it even finds its way on a page. By this, I mean truly evaluated. This will allow content violations to be seen before we see them.

For example...I have never met Jamin or Flagpole or Update, etc. However, any new person might join in a negative discussion involving them. This might prompt them to go overboard, which they sometimes do.

Also, many of these athletes are boys and girls. See..Grace Ping, Katelyn Tuohy, Brodey Hasty, etc from previous threads...it should be against any rule to address any aspect of a boy or girl other than training or time. No body evaluation, no appearance evaluation and really....no negative comments.

Moderator privileges should be extended to editing out negative information that will destroy a thread....before the post goes from entered to published.

Moderators should have to have a valid e-mail address by which to communicate with members (all people should have to be a member) regarding their post, possible deletion, possible sanction, etc.

Moderators should not be able to maintain online friendships during the clip of time that they are wearing the moderator flag. The time gradient of their flag should render them impartial and impervious to inside jokes and ribbing posts.....while they have the moderator flag. They become a regular member and subject to all rules of propriety when not wearing the flag.

Egregiously sexual, racist, violent, etc posts should be flagged for possible turnover to regional legal authorities if necessary. As a result, goading someone will carry warnings, suspensions and then an expulsion.

If it seems officious, it is. There's no alternate way other than to sacrifice the "fun" that is slippery slope for the safety of users.

And that's that.

Mike

In addition, each user's e-mail address, as submitted, should have to pass a validation key check for authenticity.

This would be sent to an e-mail....the user would have no posting privileges until validated.

BergLaufer wrote:

I'm sorry, I don't see how this is racist:

It's not the worst thing anyone has written. But fine if you want to analyze it, on what basis does "nimbleness" make something perfect for East Asians? He also says "East Asia might be able to produce a world class but not elite sprinter" and that China might only be able to be successful through weight of numbers or wealth or genetic engineering. These are statements that create or subscribe to stereotypes about the innate abilities of a group of people. Isn't that racist?

Wikipedia's article on racism had this quote, which sums things up for me pretty well: "The ideology underlying racist practices often includes the idea that humans can be subdivided into distinct groups that are different due to their social behavior and their innate capacities as well as the idea that they can be ranked as inferior or superior."

You're also quoting a paragraph of discussion about the history of white sprinters, which I hadn't intended to comment on, but it does support my view that he injects race into discussions. On its own it might not be problematic but when it's half the posts by this individual?

I'm not bringing this up because I have strong opinions about this particular individual (and I think we should try to stop arguing about him here), but rather because I think it illustrates a point about the difficulties of moderating the site. I'm having trouble summarizing my thoughts on the issue, it's something like: 1. There was a thread discussing this issue in January that was deleted. 2. Malmo seems to be supporting it. 3. The employee(s?) seem to be unaware. 4. There isn't a good mechanism in place for handling these sorts of subtle problems, we can't just click "report post" and go through the recaptcha on every post we see when it's a systemic issue. 5. When things *are* brought to the attention of the moderators and staff the current mechanisms for handling them seem to be slow and ineffective.

Sorry if I come across as hyper-critical (believe me I'm more critical of myself than I am of anyone else), I guess I'm just sort of frustrated. I believe the moderation team when they tell us they're filtering out most of the crap, there just seems to be a lot of stuff that still slips by.

Coevett wrote:

tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:

well, maybe you shouldn't have done that. Then you wouldn't have to whine about people calling you racist. Is that difficult to understand?

I'm not whining about people calling me racist, I'm complaining about a mentally unhinged stalker - you - threatening to doxx me, break my jaw (even now on threads where I haven't posted on and have nothing to do with me), posting bestiality fantasies etc and actually influencing other people here to believe I'm a racist.

Anyway, this moderation thread isn't about me, so I wont post in here again. It's up to the mods and site owners what to do about this apparently violent and deeply disturbed stalker. As I said, this guy clearly poses a potential risk to me and I do feel the need to protect myself at this point.

Did it ever occur to you that more than one person might be tired of your race baiting act on this site? I've done none of the things you accuse me of besides the last one "actually influencing other people here to believe I'm a racist," and that I've only done using your own words.

I've responded to you maybe 4 times in my life and usually just quoting yourself back to you when you try to deny that you have ever posted anything racist. I agree though, this thread is getting sidetracked, I've said my piece regarding your posts and don't really think much else is achieved by arguing further. Your record speaks for itself.

please stop making false accusations against me though. I've never threatened you in my life. I've barely even responded to you. It's funny that a guy who bragged openly about beating up a black man in a locker room calls some random stranger on the internet he disagrees with 'violent.'

In sports, discussion of genetics(often talked about in terms of "race" because it is easier to visualize) and preformance is talked about. Read this book for a in depth discussion on the topic:

To call someone racist because they called Asians nimble is just taking away the meaning of the word racist.

tempaccountforsomeBS wrote:

It's funny that a guy who bragged openly about beating up a black man in a locker room calls some random stranger on the internet he disagrees with 'violent.'

This is standard "internet tough guy" talk of the type that a certain wedding DJ was fond, oddly he doesn't mention what his sentence was when this came to court.

BergLaufer wrote:

In sports, discussion of genetics(often talked about in terms of "race" because it is easier to visualize) and preformance is talked about. Read this book for a in depth discussion on the topic:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sports_Gene

To call someone racist because they called Asians nimble is just taking away the meaning of the word racist.

It's not just the one thing, it's the dozens of posts on similar topics (maybe from several posters) about different groups of people.

I'm a geneticist but I'd be happy to chat with you about it in a different thread.

It was pointless to start a discussion thread about "mod policies" because naturally the fanatic complainers took over.

Policy #1 should always be the promotion of free speech, and if anything should be suppressed, it's the demands of the control freaks who spazz out every time anyone says anything bad. Like bad words are gonna burn down the world. Grow up, control freaks!

The sickness crippling the internet is the millions of people who crawl around it deliberately looking for things to be offended by. If not for these habitual troll-feeders, trolling wouldn't even be a thing. Most trolls don't even believe the things they say and are merely playing along with the desperate masochism of their enablers.

Cute - now that you got verified that they were real, what do you say now? Will Coevett disappear for at least one month?

RE 3 - thanks to google, I don't need to waste even more time by also saving the date and thread title. Pointless accusation of yours, but at least this time you didn't delete my post.

FYI, the dildo post was repeated here, after Coevett trolled with