Bernard Lagat runs 2:12:10 to break Meb's US Masters marathon mark. Amazingly now holds EVERY US masters mark 1500 and up!!!

The Chosen Few wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Not everyone is on TRT like you.

Not from the natural source, no. Some folks have a working pair for much longer. That is apparently me and not you. Props for you for having the, I want to say balls, but that doesn't really work does it?

Bragging without proof of accomplishment. You're just as likely to be a short fat fantasist.

simple solution wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

What is an "adverse finding" if not a positive? He escaped a violation because the B sample did not return a positive finding also. He was lucky.

That would be a false positive. Like eating a pile of poppy seeds might trigger an opioid positive.

I wonder what seeds you have to eat to trigger an EPO positive.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Never heard of him. But if I was, would I tell you? I am a former long-time fan of the sport, who has come to see it as a dishonest farce. But then, that is the world of professional sport now.

yawnnnnn you're boring bro

Armstronglivs wrote:

simple solution wrote:

That would be a false positive. Like eating a pile of poppy seeds might trigger an opioid positive.

I wonder what seeds you have to eat to trigger an EPO positive.

Okay. You're right. Happy now?

Armstronglivs wrote:

simple solution wrote:

That would be a false positive. Like eating a pile of poppy seeds might trigger an opioid positive.

I wonder what seeds you have to eat to trigger an EPO positive.

Strawman but likely something like Japanese Knotweed could do the trick.

Much like drinking Mormon Tea can trigger positives.

There's many others that can do this. Only smart folks know this though.

EPO's a hell of a drug

Armstronglivs wrote:

The Chosen Few wrote:

Not from the natural source, no. Some folks have a working pair for much longer. That is apparently me and not you. Props for you for having the, I want to say balls, but that doesn't really work does it?

Bragging without proof of accomplishment. You're just as likely to be a short fat fantasist.

Accusing with no evidence.

Armstronglivs wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

+1

The story should have ended in Oct. 2003, when the IAAF announced:

"The analysis of the B sample of Kenyan middle distance runner Bernard Lagat has failed to confirm the initial result of the anti-doping test conducted in Tubingen, Germany on 8 August 2003, where the analysis of the A sample returned an adverse finding for Erythropoietin (EPO).

The analysis of the B sample was conducted by the IOC-accredited laboratory in Cologne, Germany on 29 September and did not corroborate the original result. Consequently the athlete is able to compete."

In fact, the Kenyan Athletic Federation should not have publicly announced the A-sample finding until after B-sample corroboration.

What is an "adverse finding" if not a positive? He escaped a violation because the B sample did not return a positive finding also. He was lucky.

Incorrect. Again you show that you need to read the report. They retested the A sample, appropriately, and it did not contain rhEPO.

It was all above board, surely. Never has testing been slanted to the athlete's advantage.

I suppose the better question is, what is meant by "positive", because anti-doping uses well defined terms like "Adverse Analytical Finding". When the A-Sample result is an Adverse Analytic Finding, a more accurate layman's description is an "unconfirmed positive". It looks like you actually didn't bother to read the document that was provided to you as a link, and was also posted on "letsrun" way back in 2003. Contrary to your statement, the B-sample also returned a "positive", but it just didn't match the A-Sample measurement, therefore was unable to confirm, or corroborate, the A-sample result. Closer re-inspection showed that the A-sample measurement didn't really match the reference bands either for any of the various forms of synthetic EPO. They concluded that both samples showed signs of degradation due to enzymatic activity, further aggravated by being stored for a lengthy period in a car at 40 deg C, rather than both samples being refrigerated or frozen. I guess he was lucky smart people were analyzing the results of what was then a fairly new test with some bugs in the process. He was unlucky that the Kenyan Federation released the A-Sample result before it could be corroborated, providing fodder for the uninformed.

Armstronglivs wrote:

What is an "adverse finding" if not a positive? He escaped a violation because the B sample did not return a positive finding also. He was lucky.

Duck Pucks wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Bragging without proof of accomplishment. You're just as likely to be a short fat fantasist.

Accusing with no evidence.

Self-description? The evidence is the fact you are bragging but have nothing to back it up. No proof of anything. Bag of wind, without doubt.

craig_c wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Never heard of him. But if I was, would I tell you? I am a former long-time fan of the sport, who has come to see it as a dishonest farce. But then, that is the world of professional sport now.

yawnnnnn you're boring bro

You can go back to sleep now, old fella.

Armstronglivs wrote:

You can go back to sleep now, old fella.

^ So childish. As would be expected from an 8 year old throwing a tantrum.

You sound like OJ's lawyer and the "glove". Whenever you show up to defend against doping accusations the rule of thumb is to take your response as confirmation of "an adverse finding".

What shoes did he wear?

You sound like OJ's lawyer and the "glove". Whenever you show up to defend against doping accusations the rule of thumb is to take your response as confirmation of "an adverse finding".

Armstronglivs wrote:

Duck Pucks wrote:

Accusing with no evidence.

Self-description? The evidence is the fact you are bragging but have nothing to back it up. No proof of anything. Bag of wind, without doubt.

Um, you gave me those attributes by claiming I'm on TRT.

I don't even need evidence if you're complimenting me like that. It's the highest form of praise for a clean athlete with old man strength in spades.

liver wrote:

[quote]Armstronglivs wrote:

You can go back to sleep now, old fella.

^ So childish. As would be expected from an 8 year old throwing a tantrum.[/quote

Don't be so hard on 8 year olds. It's the average mental age here. Like you.

cut gut beaten eaten wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I wonder what seeds you have to eat to trigger an EPO positive.

Okay. You're right. Happy now?

Okay. You' re wrong. Sad now?