British gold medalist & ‘sports icon’ implicated in blood doping

LoneStarXC wrote:

It has to be Farah. The only “British gold medalists and ‘sports icons’” are Radcliffe and Farah. And, Radcliffe wasn’t competing in London 2012.

The Russians have been claiming Christine Ohuruogu was covered for some time now. Epo works for 400m.

Subway Surfers wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

It has to be Farah. The only “British gold medalists and ‘sports icons’” are Radcliffe and Farah. And, Radcliffe wasn’t competing in London 2012.

The Russians have been claiming Christine Ohuruogu was covered for some time now. Epo works for 400m.

Presuming it is certainly athletics (cycling with Wiggins or Kenny are massive redflags in 2012), we are not led to believe anything else, then they are referring to Mo. Does anyone think that the guys Mo was beating in London were clean? So obviously he was on something.

milermb wrote:

Wiggins? He won the time trial gold, didn't he?

Exactly but cycling would have been all over it, surely?

Subway Surfers wrote:

LoneStarXC wrote:

It has to be Farah. The only “British gold medalists and ‘sports icons’” are Radcliffe and Farah. And, Radcliffe wasn’t competing in London 2012.

The Russians have been claiming Christine Ohuruogu was covered for some time now. Epo works for 400m.

Wasn't there some controversy on her suspension for a "whereabouts" violation vs whether or not she was actually a drug cheat? She's also a MBE recipient which is getting up there in high esteem, isn't it?

Passport Era Doping wrote:

Jejjsjsj wrote:

3 British gold medalists in 2012

Rutherford: LJ. I have never heard of blood doping in the LJ

Ennis: Heptathlon. Again, never heard of blood doping in that event

Mo Farah: 5000/10000

Why did they simply name him by name?

There's one high profile case of a Heptathlete who served a ban for ABP hematological anomalies: Ukrainian Lyudmyla Yosypenko (4th @ London, 2012 EC silver):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmyla_Yosypenko

Wasn't a long jumper also on the good stuff.?

There must be an answer wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

The Russians have been claiming Christine Ohuruogu was covered for some time now. Epo works for 400m.

Wasn't there some controversy on her suspension for a "whereabouts" violation vs whether or not she was actually a drug cheat? She's also a MBE recipient which is getting up there in high esteem, isn't it?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/2325245/Dates-prove-Christine-Ohuruogu-is-no-cheat.html

Hmmm MBE, you can apparently put on you headstone or fancy letters but otherwise no legislative powers or county land to punish peasants with higher rents.

rekrunner wrote:

I already responded to this topic on Page 1.

Note the source of this topic is an email from Balakhnichev in July 2014, which predates the WADA Independent Commission investigation.

Whoever this British icon was, the WADA experts assisting the WADA IC would have reviewed the blood samples independently, and made its own determination whether the IAAF acted appropriately.

That is strange wrote:

Yeah...I haven't heard any of rekrunner's talking points on this issue.

I knew the IAAF would have to run damage control on this one.

There must be an answer wrote:

Wasn't there some controversy on her suspension for a "whereabouts" violation vs whether or not she was actually a drug cheat?

That was a hilarious story, a classical example of what happens when Brits investigate their own international stars.

"Dates prove Christine Ohuruogu is no cheat", lol no they don't. A negative test does not prove that, and furthermore, a negative test "three days after the missed test" does not prove that she would not have tested positive on the day of the missed test. That is a question of the glowing time (and the drug and the amount and the masking etc.).

And another smokescreen:

""There is no suggestion, nor any grounds for suspicion, that the offence may have been deliberate in order to prevent testing. The omissions are too haphazard for any such suspicion to arise."

"too haphazard"? Evidently it led to a smaller punishment (only a one year ban) than a positive test, and a lot less damage to her reputation.

In any case, she didn't win Gold in 2012, but at this point we haven't seen the indictment itself, and it's not 100% clear what's meant with "abnormal blood values of several athletes at the London 2012 Olympics, including a British Gold Medalist".

Subway Surfers wrote:

I knew the IAAF would have to run damage control on this one.

Naturally. As I wrote two days ago, they will use the same procedure again (if pushed):

casual obsever wrote:

Indeed, and that is at the discretion of the IAAF led by Sir Mo's protector Lord Coe.

Worst case scenario for the two of them: the IAAF will be forced to "investigate" the case, and itself, right after Coe declared Mo to be clean, and then the IAAF will compose a long document detailing why they were correct in not acting on Mo's suspicious ABP. Lastly WADA will concur with those "findings", and all is well.

Sounds familiar? Well, same old, same old.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Passport Era Doping wrote:

There's one high profile case of a Heptathlete who served a ban for ABP hematological anomalies: Ukrainian Lyudmyla Yosypenko (4th @ London, 2012 EC silver):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmyla_Yosypenko

Wasn't a long jumper also on the good stuff.?

Yep....Morrocan Yahya Berrabah. NR holder & African champion - tested positive OOC:

"Berrabah failed an out-of-competition drug test for EPO in November 2011 and was initially suspended for two years.[3] The ban was later extended to 4 years, ending 5 January 2016.[4]"

It would seem EPO is an all-purpose PED.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

The Russians have been claiming Christine Ohuruogu was covered for some time now. Epo works for 400m.

Presuming it is certainly athletics (cycling with Wiggins or Kenny are massive redflags in 2012), we are not led to believe anything else, then they are referring to Mo. Does anyone think that the guys Mo was beating in London were clean? So obviously he was on something.

Don't see how Kenny is a red flag for blood doping.

Do more LJ training, get better form, simple ?

Subway Surfers wrote:

milermb wrote:

Wiggins? He won the time trial gold, didn't he?

Exactly but cycling would have been all over it, surely?

It was a French paper referring to the athlete as 'iconic' -- Bradley Wiggins won Gold, won the Tour and is more likely than Mo, and I think he had some questionable incidents, although I do not remember for sure. Jumping to Mo by a process of elimination and completely forgetting about cycling shows that you are not really in the game, you just have an agenda...

I think that there were only a couple of the 100+ posts that thought about cycling.

Cycling had more Gold Medalist wrote:

It was a French paper referring to the athlete as 'iconic' -- Bradley Wiggins won Gold, won the Tour and is more likely than Mo, and I think he had some questionable incidents, although I do not remember for sure. Jumping to Mo by a process of elimination and completely forgetting about cycling shows that you are not really in the game, you just have an agenda...

I think that there were only a couple of the 100+ posts that thought about cycling.

It was from an internal IAAF e-mail. It refers to an athlete. In America we call that T&F.

It looks like Seppelt is double-dipping. Here is a 2+ year old Guardian article discussing the July 2014 email from Balakhnichev:

Cycling had more Gold Medalist wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Exactly but cycling would have been all over it, surely?

It was a French paper referring to the athlete as 'iconic' -- Bradley Wiggins won Gold, won the Tour and is more likely than Mo, and I think he had some questionable incidents, although I do not remember for sure. Jumping to Mo by a process of elimination and completely forgetting about cycling shows that you are not really in the game, you just have an agenda...

I think that there were only a couple of the 100+ posts that thought about cycling.

Tennis player Andy Murray is also considered an icon of his sport, at least in Great Britain. He too won the Olympic gold in 2012.

Some interesting info from London: There were a total of 7 medals (4 gold ) annulled from athletics for hematological anomalies:

Russia - 4

W800 G

WSC G

M50kRW G

W20kRW S

Turkey - 2

W1500 G/S

Ukraine - 1

WHep S

The Russian cases were examined retrospectively after the ARD-recordings. The Ukrainian case was an ABP flag. Not sure on Turkey with Alptekin & Bulut as to whether it was a flag or retrospectively examined. Alptekin had served a previous ban for doping so she was probably under suspicion anyway (she's now lifetimed banned for her third offense. Lol).

Cycling had more Gold Medalist wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Exactly but cycling would have been all over it, surely?

It was a French paper referring to the athlete as 'iconic' -- Bradley Wiggins won Gold, won the Tour and is more likely than Mo, and I think he had some questionable incidents, although I do not remember for sure. Jumping to Mo by a process of elimination and completely forgetting about cycling shows that you are not really in the game, you just have an agenda...

I think that there were only a couple of the 100+ posts that thought about cycling.

Why would IAAF be associated with cycling? Seems very non applicable to bring that up in a case involving Diack.

Passport Era Doping wrote:

Some interesting info from London: There were a total of 7 medals (4 gold ) annulled from athletics for hematological anomalies:

...

The Russian cases were examined retrospectively after the ARD-recordings.

Not even flagged thanks to the huge thresholds that one can drive a bus through (thanks Subway!), but then investigated, banned and their medals annulled. Too funny.