That is because you are comparing doped athletes to other doped athletes. Look at Henry Rono(probably the last clean record holders at the 3000m, 5000m, 10000m and steeplechase), out of breath after a race. Like one should be, not breathing normally jogging around like he just finished a easy run at the park.
Armstronglivs wrote:
3.31 indoors is nothing like 3.31 outdoors. No indoor times are comparable to outdoor times. So a 19-year-old newbie from E Africa sets a world record. I don't know why anyone accepts any of these performances at face value anymore. I remember the East German doping parade in the 70's and 80's but that pales (no pun intended) beside what the Africans are doing to this sport. I don't believe any of it.
No one in the US cares or understands the 1500M .... they sjould have run the mile. Folks understand the significance of a 3:47.97 mile.
doped to da gills wrote:
That is because you are comparing doped athletes to other doped athletes. Look at Henry Rono(probably the last clean record holders at the 3000m, 5000m, 10000m and steeplechase), out of breath after a race. Like one should be, not breathing normally jogging around like he just finished a easy run at the park.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2gAr4UMj6A
Yes, but...
Sometimes when you're young you can run out of your mind, run your PR and feel great doing it. I remember doing crazy shxt, and feeling ready to go, right afterward. Those were the days.
IF Tefera is very young, he just might be clean and absolutely on top of his game...but then why no feeling of elation? Happiness? Even satisfaction? Why no real feeling at all? No affect. Psychopathic, or just a moron, take your pick.
And morons are easy to manipulate, and to dope, if you are an unscrupulous coach, manager, etc. Look at Elaine Thompson (Jamaica, 100m) for an example of an elite athlete butterhead.
Clean or not, this was BY FAR the LAMEST world record I have ever seen. What a downer. Like someone already said, no wonder this sport is dying.
Just on the looking fresh at the end of a race thing. Anyone who ever raced knows this is meaningless. I was a mediocre runner who race against thousands of other mediocre runners over the years. You could have two guys busting a gut to the finish line then one collapses to the ground and the other looks like they just finished an easy jog. Both were flat out.
I think he's just really competitive and beat yk on pure hate. And he didnt celebrate cuz he was tired and didnt know about the record.
also not flat on his back wrote:
spade detector wrote:
Brother, I could show you just as many clips of runners who haven’t been popped for doping who look fresh as a daisy at the end of a great race. You really think that is strong evidence of cheating and I’m the ignorant one?
This guy also wasn't flat on his back in respiratory distress after his WR mile run, more like fresh as a daisy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX9FoKoo-wIOn Monaco 2000s track with pacemaking like Kiprop has had he would have run sub 3:43, with the fastest last lap in any record race.
I know, I know.....He finished with a 53.2 last lap!! He smoked the WR, ran the fastest last lap of a mile WR and......looks very chill. Actually after an initial smile, he has the same bored expression that Tefera has!
And then we have the Coe video someone posted.
Coevett.....care to explain!
(Cram almost looks guilty about running so fast. Hmmm........I wonder why that might be)
The most suspicious part of all this is:
How could some ethio kid run almost as fast/as fast as all time greats Andrew Wheating and Ryan Gregson ?
It's obvious: DOPING.
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
And then we have the Coe video someone posted.
Also not really flat on his back here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQlQBngr6Oghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFkEJ3v8AW8&t=294sHes_Back_Baby wrote:
Lickety Split wrote:
- Hopefully, the IAAF promotes this as the Ethiopian version of "Coe vs Ovett"
- Tefera: one of the few 19-year olds I've seen w/a receding hair-line.
This “18 year old” isn’t even breathing hard after finishing. Not only that but he runs a 6 second pb because of the “magic of Hayward field”... yea right-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5jk3kyjji4
What are you talking about? He was wide open mouthed for a minute after the race and you can visibly see his chest heaving throughout this time. Similar to Jakob. He's clearly breathing at the end of the race. Then dopers like ex-runner accuse me of 'literally seeing what I want to see' despite numerous other commentators (including outside of this forum, and including even Cram commentating live) noting how remarkable Tefera's physical demeanor is at the end of the race.
Btw, 17 year old Jakob beat '18 year old' Tefera by nearly 3 seconds in the 1500m World Junior final last year. But of course in your 'non-racist' minds, Jakob visibly breathing hard after running 3:36 last week proves that he is the doper and not Tefera who doesn't breathe at all when crossing the line in a WR 3:31.
Also point out, that most of the people here saying 'I have my doubts about Jakob too' are probably just deflecting 'raysheest' accusations from the Afro doping apologist trolls here.
Rupp fan wrote:
I thought Tefera looked like he was clearly struggling to hold form in the last 50 meters... thrashy and tying up a bit. And he did lean at the line. It looked to me like he just ran a perfect race with great pacing from the official pacers and Kejelcha. I think his reaction can be explained by a stoic personality and/or trying to hold his poker face... or just being too tired and confused to process the moment. Michael Norman had a similar non-reaction after breaking the world indoor 400 record.
Makhloufi would have started celebrating on the homestretch, missed the record, and been passed by Kejelcha.
Yup. He ran at PB pace but using probably 10% less energy by sitting on Kejelcha. Still struggled to get past. Kejelcha lost spirit when Tefera did squeeze past so then it looked like Tefera had torn Kejelcha apart.
I reckon he didn’t know it was a WR and definitely doing the poker face about beating Yomif. US sprinters do it all the time. There are some separate photos of him posing next to the clock with a smile so maybe they told him later.
spade detector wrote:
Here's my take wrote:
I think you're being a little ignorant & short-sighted. I'm not saying Tefera is doping...I simply don't know. However, on not breathing hard enough skepticism; we've seen time & time again confirmed EPO users run spectacular performances with virtually no fatigue afterwards (e.g., Ramzi, Boulami, Jeptoo, Savinova, etc.). Here's one with Kiprop @ Birmingham 2016. He blows a world-class field apart, including Iguider, who's no slouch, while looking fresh as a daisy afterwards:
https://youtu.be/Wlt8FhJg2W0Brother, I could show you just as many clips of runners who haven’t been popped for doping who look fresh as a daisy at the end of a great race. You really think that is strong evidence of cheating and I’m the ignorant one?
Huh? Are you new to the sport or something? How do you know those runners aren't doping? Are you suggesting that the athletes caught doping in the history of this sport are the only ones doping? (i.e., a 100% detection rate?).
Let's Think This One Through wrote:
spade detector wrote:
Brother, I could show you just as many clips of runners who haven’t been popped for doping who look fresh as a daisy at the end of a great race. You really think that is strong evidence of cheating and I’m the ignorant one?
Huh? Are you new to the sport or something? How do you know those runners aren't doping? Are you suggesting that the athletes caught doping in the history of this sport are the only ones doping? (i.e., a 100% detection rate?).
Not new to the sport. I can’t be for certain that anyone but myself isn’t doping, obviously. No one can. I’m just pointing out how terrible the “analysis” is of using the perceived fatigue of a runner at the end of a race to imply doping when there has been plenty of evidence that there is no correlation. Do you get it? It’s an embarrasing excuse for “evidence”.
Absence of evidence != evidence of absence wrote:
El G ran 1:46 for the last 800 of the Athens 1500 (i.e. after rounds). Do you really believe he couldn’t run at least 1:44? And remember that he trained for 1500 and 5k, not 800, and he was no longer in his prime. At his best, he probably could’ve managed a 1:42-high a la Cram.
I just don't believe it!
He has a 10km PB of 36:00 (Nice (FRA) Date 06 JAN 2008) and I don't believe he could have broken 36 minutes in his prime either.
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
also not flat on his back wrote:
This guy also wasn't flat on his back in respiratory distress after his WR mile run, more like fresh as a daisy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX9FoKoo-wIOn Monaco 2000s track with pacemaking like Kiprop has had he would have run sub 3:43, with the fastest last lap in any record race.
I know, I know.....He finished with a 53.2 last lap!! He smoked the WR, ran the fastest last lap of a mile WR and......looks very chill. Actually after an initial smile, he has the same bored expression that Tefera has!
And then we have the Coe video someone posted.
Coevett.....care to explain!
(Cram almost looks guilty about running so fast. Hmmm........I wonder why that might be)
I don't have to explain anything. For a start, the camera doesn't even pan on to Cram's face until 5 seconds after the end of the race, and when it does he is visibly drawing breath in (and looking knackered).
same story here wrote:
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
And then we have the Coe video someone posted.
Also not really flat on his back here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQlQBngr6Oghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFkEJ3v8AW8&t=294s
You guys are literally crazy. In the 800m WR (Coe's post race reaction only shown in the second news report) he's clearly gasping for air. He holds his waist and then bends over. In the Mile, you can't really even see his immediate post line reaction, apart from looking elated (and breathing) seconds after. Are you really comparing this to Tefera's trance like state?
spade detector wrote:
Let's Think This One Through wrote:
Huh? Are you new to the sport or something? How do you know those runners aren't doping? Are you suggesting that the athletes caught doping in the history of this sport are the only ones doping? (i.e., a 100% detection rate?).
Not new to the sport. I can’t be for certain that anyone but myself isn’t doping, obviously. No one can. I’m just pointing out how terrible the “analysis” is of using the perceived fatigue of a runner at the end of a race to imply doping when there has been plenty of evidence that there is no correlation. Do you get it? It’s an embarrasing excuse for “evidence”.
Not it's not. More RBCs from either rEPO or blood transfusions equals more oxygenated blood getting to working muscles...nothing new there. Runners can go maxVO2 with less effort. That's why athletes who have chosen to dope like the hot sauce so much. I'm really surprised you don't understanding this - participate more in the doping threads. ?
same story here wrote:
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
And then we have the Coe video someone posted.
Also not really flat on his back here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQlQBngr6Oghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFkEJ3v8AW8&t=294s
No, not flat on his back, but clearly bent over and winded in the 800m WR from 79 and the 1500m from same year. He was also clearly out of breath immediately after the 800WR in 81, the 3:31 1500m solo effort the same year and the 84 run in Zurich. He tied up badly in both 1000m world records too. Yes, sometimes he finished races looking very relaxed and easy, but on other occasions he did not; implying that how tired you look at the end of a race isn’t probably the best indicator of whether or not someone is doping.
The thing about Tefera’s run is that besides looking easy in the face ( no strain) down the home straight, seemingly not out of breath, he had no expression on his face whatsoever. Now, I’m not even sure if there is a drug that would cause that sort of reaction? (probably not), but overall it was a strange reaction to running a 3:31. And I don’t buy that the reigning indoor 1500 world champ has no idea what the WR is for that event. He would know exactly what EL G’s time would be.
Coevett wrote:
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
I know, I know.....He finished with a 53.2 last lap!! He smoked the WR, ran the fastest last lap of a mile WR and......looks very chill. Actually after an initial smile, he has the same bored expression that Tefera has!
And then we have the Coe video someone posted.
Coevett.....care to explain!
(Cram almost looks guilty about running so fast. Hmmm........I wonder why that might be)
I don't have to explain anything. For a start, the camera doesn't even pan on to Cram's face until 5 seconds after the end of the race, and when it does he is visibly drawing breath in (and looking knackered).
What a lame excuse. Fresh as a daisy Coevett, anybody apart from you can see this. What about Coe's races, also nothing to see from his face for a millesecond?
also not flat on his back wrote:
spade detector wrote:
Brother, I could show you just as many clips of runners who haven’t been popped for doping who look fresh as a daisy at the end of a great race. You really think that is strong evidence of cheating and I’m the ignorant one?
This guy also wasn't flat on his back in respiratory distress after his WR mile run, more like fresh as a daisy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX9FoKoo-wIOn Monaco 2000s track with pacemaking like Kiprop has had he would have run sub 3:43, with the fastest last lap in any record race.
I realize you're being sarcastic, but that you're also dumb enough not to realize you're detracting from your own accusation of doping. Cram probably could have ran considerably faster that night, he has said so himself and that he regrets not going harder. That night was billed more as the Coe vs Cram rematch from LA, rather than a WR attempt, and Cram was probably just delighted to have beaten Coe. You can see that he looks back before the finishing line and when he sees that Coe is a long way back he slows down.
Oh, and btw, check out his post race interview in which he's clearly still breathing hard from the race.
https://youtu.be/YpNfSBD0OvE?t=610I'd like to see how you doping apologists explain that oversight on your part.
