Moen. 2:05. Wins Fukuoka. How??

Poisonous game wrote:

2. Benoit Z 2.06.36 (drug cheat)

Not exactly an established fact, is it?

Poisonous game wrote:

So the other Caucasian Europeans on the all time list with times from the last 25-30 years...

1. Antonio Pinto 2.06.36 (be very surprised if clean)

2. Benoit Z 2.06.36 (drug cheat)

3. Julio Rey 2.06.52 (drug cheat)

4 .Dymytro Baranovski 2.07.15 (highly suspicious)

5. Fabian Roncero 2.07.23 (drug cheat)

6. Victor Rothlin 2.07.25 (very strange medical issues!)

7. Olexandr Kuzin 2.07.33 (who!!! Exactly)

8. Henrick Szost 2.07.50 (coach is convicted drug cheat)

And people wonder why we are suspicious!

Looks like Santa's got a naughty list.

That Renato is either a genius or an evil genius.

Benoit was most likely doping (if you have some additional background knowledge), even though he shown a lot of talent from an early age.

Oh boy, I just have to poke at this one. Back on October 11, Rojo said the following:

"No non-African has ever run under 2:06, but Rupp just ran a 63-low second half in Chicago with almost all of the real pace coming in the last five miles. I think he’ll definitely be the first non-African under 2:06.

How about now Rojo? That honor belongs to Moen. You see, that's what happens when you are fanatical about a particular athlete. Kaboom, you get bombed out. I know , I know the typical Monday morning quarter back excuses: "Oh yeah, had he ran London or Berlin instead he probably would have"....yeah....right, uhum. He did not, so Galen still a 2:09-2:10 guy, that my dearest, is a fact.

COACH J.S å ä ö . wrote:

He followed my secret training, in secret!

Getting ahead of the Joneses wrote:

If a guy like Steve Jones could run 2:07 30 years ago shouldn't a guy who likely has a bit more raw talent be able to run faster?

Yeah, in your dreams, get off the pipe bro.

vaporfly for real wrote:

Did he train in the vaporfly? Honestly, I think it's the shoes. Look at what Shalane did in NYC, a tough course. The Vaporfly's hard to get so not everyone has them. Total advantage. They are way lighter than the Adios, a heavy shoe.

My question for Renata is what shoe did he train in? Shalane said she couldn't be without the shoe, think she trained in them, but not sure.

I'm also convinced that Vaporflys provide an advantage in a race. They help you finish strong. Actually they are not so hard to get anymore. When they dropped the latest colorway (Crimson Red) it was available at least for a week, of course the price is an issue. However, I don't understand how it helps in training? Speedwork can be done wearing Vaporflys but everything else NO. For Example Mo Farah wears Pegasus 34 in training. When you run on dirt roads, you don't need a superfast shoe. I fyou had to push a little bit harder in training because of the conditions including the shoes, it feels easier in a race.

Benoit Z was found with drugs in his room at a training camp with the Hellybuyck's wasn't he? How many more red flags do you need?

Drugs for his granny maybe ? Anyway BenoitZ or Rothlin never failed (and never will) a drug test, Moen has a few years to go before he can make the same claim...talking of which has this guy ever been tested? Is he part of the passport program or was he under the radar until Valencia ? If he is did he get a one day notice like the others when he was in Kenya ?

Sorry Troll Attempt wrote:

https://www.dn.no/incoming/article163152.ece/ALTERNATES/fullwidth/LB%20nordstad%20moen.jpg

Not as bulky as Solinsky, by any stretch of the imagination. Runners just always look bigger in motion. This is one lean dude.

Thats actually his sister

errrm wrote:

Benoit Z was found with drugs in his room at a training camp with the Hellybuyck's wasn't he? How many more red flags do you need?

I thought his house was searched in France and no charges were pressed against him.

Poisonous game wrote:

So the other Caucasian Europeans on the all time list with times from the last 25-30 years...

1. Antonio Pinto 2.06.36 (be very surprised if clean)

2. Benoit Z 2.06.36 (drug cheat)

3. Julio Rey 2.06.52 (drug cheat)

4 .Dymytro Baranovski 2.07.15 (highly suspicious)

5. Fabian Roncero 2.07.23 (drug cheat)

6. Victor Rothlin 2.07.25 (very strange medical issues!)

7. Olexandr Kuzin 2.07.33 (who!!! Exactly)

8. Henrick Szost 2.07.50 (coach is convicted drug cheat)

And people wonder why we are suspicious!

Well, the same disclaimers go for every time under 2:08 for east Africans, Japanese, etc. (convicted cheat, who! exactly, be very surprised if clean, highly suspicious, and strange medical issues) Or did you really think they were special?

I finally figured out how Sondre Moen did it!

After Brandon Moen (of treadmill marathon fame) got busted for meth, Pirate / Cat / Gun Girl searched the world for the next best Moen. She and Sondre finally got together and his recent performances reflect this enhancement.

COACH J.S å ä ö . wrote:

He followed my secret training, in secret!

Getting ahead of the Joneses wrote:

If a guy like Steve Jones could run 2:07 30 years ago shouldn't a guy who likely has a bit more raw talent be able to run faster?

It`s nice it can`t be done to copy my signature. My is in "fat" letters! :)

In terms of Benoit Z, whether he doped or not guilt seems to be by asociation.... the hypocrisy of this quote about Benoit Z given 'you know who' running the 2018 edition raises a smile!

“There are concerns about his involvement in doping,” said Dave Bedford, the London Marathon race director. “I think victimised is too strong – if it were a choice of two athletes of the same calibre and one was without any of that baggage and one was ‘with’, we’d take the one without, whether it was justified or not.”

yeah nothing to see here

his 62 mid average halfs show him to be right there with rupp, 2:09s

so how did this happen? well do your math 3-4% improvement from EPO and boom you have 60 flat half and 2:05 high....pretty close to his new PRs right?

oh and he was with the biggest coach in the business in EPO friendly Kenya

he will be shown to be a cheat, and this "famous" coach will have more excuses

I know nothing about other people, but Henryk Szost is training on his own in polish mountains. A guy from Russia used to coach him via e-mail, I don't know, what is the situation now. He is just regular and honest man, great talent, who was competing in mountain races in early years. Know him pretty well. Not to mention, there were no doping cases in Poland in last 15-20 years in running. It is illegal in Poland to buy drugs, there are no legal steroids like in US and no Mexico trips like Christian Hesch. Outside border of Poland is an EU border. So, your argument about Henryk seems just like a bullshit coming from a jealous loser.

From an earlier Letsrun post by a Letsrun visitor...

'Szost had improved a lot in the last two years and never showed the promise in his development. Anybody who had known him before 2010 would never guessed that he would run anywhere close to 2:12, nevermind the 2:07 he had run. Those who had known him before have only three letters for the explanation: EPO and HGH.

Add to the magical improvement his coach - Dr Leonid Shvetsov and his (and of his athletes) history with PED, and voila - you have 2:07 performer out of nowhere...'

well, it's a two way street wrote:

Poisonous game wrote:

So the other Caucasian Europeans on the all time list with times from the last 25-30 years...

1. Antonio Pinto 2.06.36 (be very surprised if clean)

2. Benoit Z 2.06.36 (drug cheat)

3. Julio Rey 2.06.52 (drug cheat)

4 .Dymytro Baranovski 2.07.15 (highly suspicious)

5. Fabian Roncero 2.07.23 (drug cheat)

6. Victor Rothlin 2.07.25 (very strange medical issues!)

7. Olexandr Kuzin 2.07.33 (who!!! Exactly)

8. Henrick Szost 2.07.50 (coach is convicted drug cheat)

And people wonder why we are suspicious!

Well, the same disclaimers go for every time under 2:08 for east Africans, Japanese, etc. (convicted cheat, who! exactly, be very surprised if clean, highly suspicious, and strange medical issues) Or did you really think they were special?

Plus Ritz and Hall.