Ajee Wilson loses her indoor 800 American record as the US beef supply contains a banned substance

Its interesting how a very exacting positive press release was prepared we never see this with other athletes testing positive. Usually we get a leak and then some type of information followed by denials and excuses.

Someone internally got the info, got the PR group to create a positive spin press release and now we all feel good.

Is it maybe that we know this beef is athletically helpful as we have seen used in cycling.Remember Contador a few years back. There is knowledge in sport that supplemented beef can help performance. Lets not entirely keep our heads in the sand.

Ajee Wilson's coach shares his thoughts with us on the positive test.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/06/ajee-wilsons-coach-derek-thompson-says-dont-anything-hide-coming-win-usas/

A sad commentary on the state of the U.S. meat supply - if you're gonna eat meat at all, know how it was raised, what it's fed, no 'bullshit' pardon the pun added to the product.

this wouldn't have happened if she was VEGAN.

LetsRun.com wrote:

Ajee Wilson's coach shares his thoughts with us on the positive test.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/06/ajee-wilsons-coach-derek-thompson-says-dont-anything-hide-coming-win-usas/

Why is Zeranol on the WADA/USADA banned list? An estrogenic agent would decrease, not increase, performance. Is it used as some kind of masking agent to balance out T/E ratio? And why does WADA/USADA have a zero tolerance for Zeranol? If it is found in beef products then having a few parts per billion in your system shouldn't trigger any sanctions. WADA/USADA clearly don't understand what they are doing, they don't have the understanding to properly craft their guidelines. Their guidelines are based on 1980s chemistry when we had a cleaner food supply. Back then cattle was simply fed concrete powder before sale to increase profit, not given all kinds of freaky hormones.

Discuss.

Since you imply you know the "truth" why don't you tell us.

observer_of_things wrote:

You heard it here first: a cow got drugs in its ear. Then that cow was killed and another cow ate that ear. Somehow a new cow was materialized from this and this cow was now so loaded with the drug, that all of this cows meat was contaminated.

Move along people.

All of that cow's records have subsequently been nullified too.

Throwers are dummies wrote:

Since you imply you know the "truth" why don't you tell us.

exthrower doesn't know sh!t.

Wilson has a perfectly normal progression dating to her youth days.

Zeranol would not do anything helpful, more likely harmful.

As for actual dopers, here is the issue: Runners, esp 3rd world runners, make no money.

When aboriginal peoples eat the entire animal, it is "beautifully efficient, wasting nothing, honoring the animal, etc.", but when Westerners do it..."OMG....GROSS!!"

kmaclam wrote:

[quote]Holy Cow! wrote:

So cows walk around and eat each others' ears?

No! We do. Are you all really so oblivious as to what you are ingesting? Do you just shove things down your throat clueless as to what you are putting in your body?.............The National Hot Dog & Sausage Council (NHDSC) notes that hot dogs, whether regular, turkey, pork or beef, begin with “trimmings.” A purposely-vague word, trimmings come in lots of shapes and sizes.

According to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO): “The raw meat materials used for precooked-cooked products are lower-grade muscle trimmings, fatty tissues, head meat, animal feet, animal skin, blood, liver and other edible slaughter by-products.”

And yes, including ears. Lips, tongues,.....

You guys are ridiculous.

Modern beef cattle agriculture isn't some bucolic "natural" system. It's super optimized to maximize growth and decrease cost, from how the calves are raised, what they are fed, where they are kept, etc. Zeronal is simply one tool of many that gives us a super cheap and consistent beef supply in the US. Zeronal is demonstrated to be safe - and most consumers simply do not care how the beef if produced as long as it is very cheap. For those that due there are variety of ways to get beef where you know it had no hormones added, grass fed, had bedtime stories read to the cows... etc.

Rather late to this thread, but still had to comment after reading most of the posts. The level of ignorance shown by many of the posters is appalling, though not surprising. A few points which should be understood:

1. Beef at the consumer level is not homogeneous. It is produced in individual animals in individual farms. Cattle are typically consolidated for finishing in large feedlots, which is when they are often treated with zeranol. Testing of beef is just statistical sampling, which is nowhere near comprehensive. Therefore, beef which does not comply with standards can easily slip through into the the consumer level.

2. Feedlot operators have financial incentive to use the largest economically justifiable dosage of growth enhances which they can get away with.

3. Zeranol in beef can come both from intentional treatment of cattle (typically under the skin on the back of the animal's ear) (info easily found), and from ingestion of animal byproducts in the animal feed, most likely in pork byproducts, which are allowed in cattle feed (info easily found, e.g, see link below for Washington State regs).

https://agr.wa.gov/FoodAnimal/AnimalFeed/Publications/ProhibMatDefs.pdf

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To the question of why A Wilson tested positive at a very low level for zeranol, so why aren't a lot of other runners also testing positive - the vast majority of beef will be consumed by individuals who will never be tested. Therefore, if some beef from a particular feedlot had a higher than normal level of zeranol, almost all of that beef will be consumed by un-tested individuals.

While a 'strict responsibility' regime for the presence of banned substances may make sense in view of the doping problem in athletics, that does not mean an athlete can always avoid problems due to the presence of a banned substance in the food supply. It is simply impossible currently for an athlete to know where all of their food comes from and how it was raised and processed. There is and must be an element of trust, but that trust can be breached by others in the food supply system.

I could raise other points, but this is enough. Under all the circumstances as described for Wilson, it seems likely, and certainly at least quite plausible, that the zeranol came from residual zeranol in beef.

Say what, Bro? wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Because we care about science and evidence in America.

See also: Europe and GMOs.

What drug are you taking this evening?

Apparently a little used one called 'reason and logic.'

You can get it for free at your local library.

Lololol wrote:

Thinkouitsideyourbuns. wrote:

Golly Gee ,Walley, that runner was sure unlucky getting exogenous hormones in her body just about the time she was breaking American track records. Dumb luck, or dumb something.

Just another drug cheat protected by her NADO. Nothing new here.

If she were protected, you would not have heard about this.

So Ajee' Wilson has a trace of something in her system that was consumed in a restaurant and a-holes on here go crazy with accusations.

Meanwhile, her event is filled with essentially slow male competitors and everyone is fine with it.

This sport sucks for all this shit.

PrZ wrote:

observer_of_things wrote:

Tainted beef ... sure.

If it wasn't tainted beef, they would have suspended her. This is so stupid though, it's an oxymoron to take away a record and not give her a suspension (not saying she should be suspended). I think the record should still stand. Contaminated beef isn't going to make someone run faster...most likely the other way around even.

Wouldn't tainted or contaminated beef give Ajee projectile vomiting (or worse)?

Is USADA & WADA poorly wording this?

That's because she wasn't enetered as many races at they were duhhh

The article the OP posted mentioned receipts Ajee had for the restaurant. Did USADA go to the restaurant and test the meat?

And why wouldn't Lipsey get tested at the Millrose games if she had just run the second fastest US 800i? Is track that cheap? Was Wilson tested because she set a record or because she won the 800? If because she won, and now Lipsey "won", but wasn't tested, does she get any money or accolades afforded tested winners?

rojo wrote:

silent one wrote:

Is that why she's been under the radar recently?

No. She's been injured and had surgery after indoors.

Now we know it was USADA that prohibited her from racing until the issue was resolved.

But the zeranol if you read any of the articles are put in cows an causes cancer, why would a professional athlete take it in if one it causes cancer, two they put it in cows to make them fatter, Ajee' Wilson does not need to get any fatter considering the event she does. Thirdly, after reading the other article with her coaches statements and others on this MB why would she go after a record knowing you're required to get tested afterwards. People always just want something to say. Especially the ones uneducated about the sport and subject.