Renato Canova wrote:
I don't want Ronald can think possible to be competitive at the top of the world with little and soft training. The talent only is not enough.
100-150 km per week is not little training.It is relatively low compared to 180-220km, but it does not have to be soft.
It's very funny that many people want to criticize the situation of Ronald without knowing what happened, finding in his training the reason for his injury.
So, for somebody he peaked too early (in this case, they don't consider the injury). For somebody else. the injury is due to too much volume, or too much intensity.
The reality is that, after Paris (when he had cough, but was not injured), Ronald went to his village for 6 days, for transporting the cows of his father to the new farm he built for the parents some km far from the original house (really a hut), and for taking care of 5 of them, that were sick.
During this period, he ran two days only (40' very easy), and when came back Iten he had a problem in his back (so, nothing to do with training).
However, I made a mistake, when allowed him to run in Monaco, but the problem in his back seemed solved, and in one test on Saturday 15 he ran very fast, showing the same shape he had during Trials (when ran 3'30"89 in Nairobi).
Looking at WCh, it was better if I cancelled the competition, because he had very little training in that period. And, seriously, this was my idea, but Ronald told me that during the test (1200m at race pace + 5 times 300m in 41" with 1' recovery) he had the best legs of the season, and wanted to run.
I was confident of his feeling, and accepted a solution I was not totally convinced, for respecting the decision of the athlete.
The problem in Monaco was something different, and Ronald didn't inform me about the pain in the leg (he felt it the day before the race only).
I take the responsibility to accept a decision, also if I had doubts that was the best possible, and this was my mistake. But, when he wanted to run in WCh, and after this in Zurich, I decided, after explaining him I had a contrary opinion, to let him trying, well knowing he couldn't have any positive result.
How I explained before, sometimes also the best athletes have to understand that the shape doesn't depend from a mental strength only, but from their training and their fitness.
In all these comments about something that nobody knows, the most ridiculous are from somebody who think to be the best coach in the World without never coaching one athlete of top class, who think to know Kenyans working on line only (and without never going Kenya), and who continues to show how cocky and megalomaniac he is, reaching a level of presumptuousness that, instead being a sign of professionalism, makes him a "clown", if related to the athletic world, and the best African athletes particularly.
Who wants to understand, can understand.
Jan, I confirm that it's not possible to be a coach "online" for the best athletes in the world. This can be a good solution for amateurs, absolutely not with the best talented athletes, of course if you want to achieve the maximal results they can produce, based on their talent.
You need to stay PERSONALLY with them, for all the training of technique.
You need to stay PERSONALLY with them, for changing their training (also during one session), according to the situation of the day.
You need to stay PERSONALLY with them, in order to arrange their training when there is something out of your control (for example, weather or family problems).
You need to stay PERSONALLY with them, for frequently speaking about the problems they have to face (not only training), in order to change their mentality.
You need to stay PERSONALLY with them, because you MUST BE A TEACHER before being an "online coach", and you can't be a teacher working on-line.
I NEVER trained on-line. I grew, in almost 20 years, a Group of Young local coaches who train following my programs and my training phylosophy, so when I'm not in Kenya I have specific intermediaries working with the athletes. In spite of this, I can see different results, depending if I'm PERSONALLY in Kenya for following the training, or I'm in Italy speaking with the athletes and the Group of coaches by phone.
I don't have any doubt that some top Kenyan (Asbel Kiprop) went in touch with you. How you explained in your post, YOU ASKED to coach him, not Asbel asked you to be coached, and you have the right to ask everybody to be coached by you. But a "top class coach", one of the very best in the World, doesn't ask the athletes to be coached : are the athletes asking the coach, and this is what ALWAYS happened in my career, since I NEVER asked some athlete to be coached by myself.
And I suggest you again to speak about what you are knowing, not about your opinion without any foundation.
For example, you say that I never had a running career. This is totally wrong : I was athlete from 15 years old till 26, and I have PB in ALL THE ATHLETICS EVENTS, from 5966 points of decathlon till 2:53:22 in the only Marathon I ran, because, also when I was athlete, I was too much interested to know every event, to understand the technique and the mentality of the athletes (of course different event from event).
The fact that, when I was still athlete, already I was in my club the coach of 6 athletes in the Italian National Team, and for that reason the Italian Federation forced myself to quit my activity as athlete (and, at the beginning of 1970, I was not happy for that situation, since I wanted to try to represent my Country, one time only, in an international match, and probably in that year I had the possibility to achieve my dream in Decathlon, not because I was strong, but because in Italy the event was very weak), is not a fault, but a sign of the passion for athletics that has marked all my life.
Jan. less presumptuousness, and more humbleness is the road for becoming REALLY a good coach (for your info, some of the athletes you THINK to coach have in Kenya their group, follow the programs of the local coach, and not inform you about what they do : this happens when your relation is "on-line" !).
Thank you for your response Renato. What is the plan for Ronald next year? African Championships and Commenwealth games? 1500m or 5000m?
Thank you.
"He basically said that you get your best performances of the season and then match it up with the most important race and that is how far out your timing is."
Would you mind expanding on this? I'm curious on exactly what you/Arthur is/was trying to say. Thanks for taking the time, if you do.
Renato Canova wrote:
Jan, I confirm that it's not possible to be a coach "online" for the best athletes in the world. This can be a good solution for amateurs, absolutely not with the best talented athletes, of course if you want to achieve the maximal results they can produce, based on their talent.
You need to stay PERSONALLY with them, for all the training of technique.
You need to stay PERSONALLY with them, for changing their training (also during one session), according to the situation of the day.
You need to stay PERSONALLY with them, in order to arrange their training when there is something out of your control (for example, weather or family problems).
You need to stay PERSONALLY with them, for frequently speaking about the problems they have to face (not only training), in order to change their mentality.
You need to stay PERSONALLY with them, because you MUST BE A TEACHER before being an "online coach", and you can't be a teacher working on-line.
I NEVER trained on-line. I grew, in almost 20 years, a Group of Young local coaches who train following my programs and my training phylosophy, so when I'm not in Kenya I have specific intermediaries working with the athletes. In spite of this, I can see different results, depending if I'm PERSONALLY in Kenya for following the training, or I'm in Italy speaking with the athletes and the Group of coaches by phone.
I don't have any doubt that some top Kenyan (Asbel Kiprop) went in touch with you. How you explained in your post, YOU ASKED to coach him, not Asbel asked you to be coached, and you have the right to ask everybody to be coached by you. But a "top class coach", one of the very best in the World, doesn't ask the athletes to be coached : are the athletes asking the coach, and this is what ALWAYS happened in my career, since I NEVER asked some athlete to be coached by myself.
And I suggest you again to speak about what you are knowing, not about your opinion without any foundation.
For example, you say that I never had a running career. This is totally wrong : I was athlete from 15 years old till 26, and I have PB in ALL THE ATHLETICS EVENTS, from 5966 points of decathlon till 2:53:22 in the only Marathon I ran, because, also when I was athlete, I was too much interested to know every event, to understand the technique and the mentality of the athletes (of course different event from event).
The fact that, when I was still athlete, already I was in my club the coach of 6 athletes in the Italian National Team, and for that reason the Italian Federation forced myself to quit my activity as athlete (and, at the beginning of 1970, I was not happy for that situation, since I wanted to try to represent my Country, one time only, in an international match, and probably in that year I had the possibility to achieve my dream in Decathlon, not because I was strong, but because in Italy the event was very weak), is not a fault, but a sign of the passion for athletics that has marked all my life.
Jan. less presumptuousness, and more humbleness is the road for becoming REALLY a good coach (for your info, some of the athletes you THINK to coach have in Kenya their group, follow the programs of the local coach, and not inform you about what they do : this happens when your relation is "on-line" !).
With all humble respect, Renato... :) But that about "personally" is simply NOT true! ;)
Wish you a happy christmas and a happy new year!
Even though OT and I have already written it on the main board and also to letsrun (with the promise but not respected).
What would be useful is to clik on the "Renato Canova Coach" to the left and track the statistics including all his messages in order of time.
This link is available on all forums, but in letsrun does not exist. Bah.
A real disgrace for those who want to read his historian's messages.
The "search" function is not the same thing, it is much more general and dispersive and it loses a considerable quantity of time.
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Dimitry wrote:
Even though OT and I have already written it on the main board and also to letsrun (with the promise but not respected).
What would be useful is to clik on the "Renato Canova Coach" to the left and track the statistics including all his messages in order of time.
This link is available on all forums, but in letsrun does not exist. Bah.
A real disgrace for those who want to read his historian's messages.
The "search" function is not the same thing, it is much more general and dispersive and it loses a considerable quantity of time.
You must be new. The Brojos take special pride on how retro and no-frills this site is.
R;:3xcdsding wrote:
Four years is a long way away and it's especially long for one of Renato's athletes. A look through the history tells us he's certainly been effective in bringing athletes to great performances (eg Christopher Koskei, Nicholas Kemboi, Moses Mosop and of course Shaheen) but that generally Kenyans under Renato have been poor at maintaining high levels through years. It seems the intensity breaks them down mentally and/or physically. Renato's athletes train with greater intensity more often than others. And they don't seem to respond well over time.
Shaheen was young when ran 7:58 in 2001; when he ran 12:48 to beat Hicham in 2003 he was considered on the cusp of an incredible career. Yes he ran steeple WR 7:53 but this was considered the bare minimum of what he could and would achieve.
It would be not be a surprise to see a great year from Kwemoi......but another great three years to Tokyo would seem a stretch......
I was wondering what happened to Kwemoi this last 12 months. So impressive in Doha a year ago......I think unfortunately I agree with these comments that Canova’s approach is too intense. The work he list Kwemoi doing is breathtaking! Clearly he believed he was on the cusp of big big things. Maybe we’ll never see it......
Bump.
Can we please get a training update?
Renato, I will make you disappointed. ;) EPO obviously works even for the kenyans. Lol . Kiprop A+B = true. ;)
Hank Moody wrote:
"He basically said that you get your best performances of the season and then match it up with the most important race and that is how far out your timing is."
Would you mind expanding on this? I'm curious on exactly what you/Arthur is/was trying to say. Thanks for taking the time, if you do.
You take'a da best performances and then you bring's dem forward a coupl'a months to da most important race'a and dat is wat te twas saying.
Renato calls himself "Coaching Legend"
pretty awesome. it's probably true, but....modestia
Any updates?
Semiler wrote:
Any updates?
No, you'll never see Canova here again. I can't say that I blame him. The Blowjos allowed him to be incessantly bullied by a bunch of nameless nobodies, culminating in mindweak suggesting he be shot with a gun.
What a pity...he had the inside training on many of the top African talents.
Shame...
However Ron didn't just disappear did he? El keniano?
J.Johanssen wrote:
Semiler wrote:
Any updates?
No, you'll never see Canova here again. I can't say that I blame him. The Blowjos allowed him to be incessantly bullied by a bunch of nameless nobodies, culminating in mindweak suggesting he be shot with a gun.
What a pity...he had the inside training on many of the top African talents.
He is very actively posting on other threads, and has been all along. Foot in mouth disease much?
Bump. Page 3 is great.