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Thread now has calculofestation.
Fat = Flavor wrote:
Thread now has calculofestation.
Uh, oh, I haven't read recent pages of thread. I'm afraid to look. Let me guess:
lots of ~'s , followed by plenty of sentence fragments with no capitalization and a full space between each thought, followed by lots of seconds subtracted from actual time, followed by times written as 1'43 rather than 1:43, followed by plenty of insults, followed by a prediction that Murphy could break the WR in perfect conditions (but of course never run faster than Ryun).
Something like that?
It's about a 46 leg but notice too that he is turned around and at a stop just around the line to start because of the handoff being awkward. And he has run faster splits. Texas is usually windy in April.
any links to a race video?
gotta agree with vent on this one.
murphy is one of the greatest 800m talents the USA has ever seen, but Ryun was just otherworldly in a different era on vastly inferior surfaces. but back to murphy... in april WITH NO SPEED WORK, that is disgusting! and he's not a guy to peak early, look at his championship pedigree, kid's a true champion. very confident, laser focused, gets it right on the big day. probly could be a 1:41 low guy when all is said and done. you're telling me he can't run as fast as amos?? tho I'm more interested in 1500m extrapolations and would love to see him attack that distance ( a la, go after centro). he might be the only guy in the usa centro could legitimately fear at 1500?
This thread starts off well then goes down hill rapidly at the end once calculo/vento interferes.
So obvious he's using at least 2 other names on here to give support to his comments. Can't hide that.
kersun wrote:
gotta agree with vent on this one.
murphy is one of the greatest 800m talents the USA has ever seen, but Ryun was just otherworldly in a different era on vastly inferior surfaces. but back to murphy... in april WITH NO SPEED WORK, that is disgusting! and he's not a guy to peak early, look at his championship pedigree, kid's a true champion. very confident, laser focused, gets it right on the big day. probly could be a 1:41 low guy when all is said and done. you're telling me he can't run as fast as amos?? tho I'm more interested in 1500m extrapolations and would love to see him attack that distance ( a la, go after centro). he might be the only guy in the usa centro could legitimately fear at 1500?
Murphy has great speed which is what bothers all the sissy cuck white boys here. It bothers them to see a white kid who's a middle distance runner knock of 45 plus and 46 plus relay legs. The lisping latter sippers with their Smith Brothers beards soil their pink heart panties every time Murphy or Rupp produces a good performance. They stain the front of their thongs when Brazier or Berian or any random POC produces a good performance.
Deanouk wrote:
Joey Hoey wrote:I think this is why people call you a troll, Calculo.
Deanouk's comment wasn't deserving of any critique whatsoever.
Cheers.
I was just offering praise on what Murphy has done in reality, not what he could do in a perfect parallel universe! He ran 1:43.6 and looked very impressive.
I'd like to think my analysis of his race and generally is based a bit more on reality.
A few points:
- Not everyone runs their best times with a 2,0 secs positive split. Some prefer more even splits. His were 51.4 & 52.2, pretty good for a 1:43 mid performance. Moreover his 200m splits, which were about 25.2, 26.2, 26.1, 26.1, were pretty even, with the first one faster, as per expected. There is no proof he would have gone faster had his first lap been 0.5 sec faster.
- He did run wide on bends 2 and 3, but never reached anywhere near the line with lane 2 on any bend. He looked to have run an extra 3.5 - 4m in total. Worth about 0.45 secs.
- Usually elite 800m performances are helped with 200m of drafting from 200 -400m. Murphy had full drafting from the break to 200m, and then half drafting (on the shoulder of Sowinski, not entirely behind him) from just before 300m up to 500m. That equates to the same benefit as 200m of drafting. Of course, had he been directly behind the leader from the break to 500m, then he'd have had 400m of full drafting, and his time may have been quicker. But that is more drafting than anyone would expect, and the case can be made for numerous others being faster than they actually run.
I would say that Murphy could possibly have run a 1:43.0 that day had he not run wide and been directly behind Sowinski for both bends.
That is exceptional form to be in for April. It would indicate a 1:42 and a US record later in the summer. Talk of 1:41.0 is rather fanciful I think.
You're afraid that he's eventually going to run faster than Coe over the 800/1500. Which he will definitely do during his career. Not bad for someone who started running at 15-1/2 and who's only been training truly hard since 2014.
Remember when Duane Solomon ran 1:43.88 at Mt. SAC in 2014?
How much faster did he run that year?
Race link for Solomon's 1:43.88 (no rabbit)
What relevance does that have? Murphy's just appearing on the scene, a youngster still. He might have some difficulty with an early peak, and World's a long way off, but Webb in 2007 ran 3:51 in April before running superb in June, July, and early August with victories over Lagat in New York, at Trials, 3:30 with a hard kick destroying Baala in Paris, and then 3:46 and 1:43.84. Before Webb (1:43.84/3:30) and Wheating (1:44/3:30), the last American to have as much talent at 800/1500 was David Krummenacker (1:43 high/3:31) but he just ran the one fast 15 and faded in the 8 too soon. The last American 800/1500 guy with this much 400 speed has to have been Ryun. Among 800 runners, Mark Everett ran 44.59 400m in 1991, six years before he ran 1:43 low to mid pr, and Brazier has comparable or better speed in the 400 to Murphy without yet having taken a crack at 1500/mile since hs I think (he said he would like to break 4 some time in the mile)--he was a great talent at the mile in hs but obviously does not like the longer distance training.
BeanoUK wrote:
You're afraid that he's eventually going to run faster than Coe over the 800/1500. Which he will definitely do during his career. Not bad for someone who started running at 15-1/2 and who's only been training truly hard since 2014.
Funny guy.
He's 'definitely' going to run faster than Coe? Some certainty there.
If he runs 1:41 mid and 3:29 low that will be something that no other athlete in history has managed. That would make him the greatest middle distance runner in history, no? That is basically the claim you are making.
Comparisons with Coe, who was running 30plus years ago, are silly. Murphy is 22, the same age as Coe was when he broke the 800, 1500 and mile WRs. Let's see if Murphy makes that sort of impact this season and goes on to win a couple of Olympic golds before such comparisons are made. Come back to us then.
Makhloufi hasn't run 1:41 yet--he's never been in a 1:41 race (too bad he bagged out of the 800 semis back in 2012) but he has run 1:42/3:28.8.
With pr's of 1:42.61+3:28.75=5:11.36
Coe: 1:41.73 + 3:29.77=5:11.50
If you instead double the 8 times and add the 15s, Coe comes out ahead.
Then if you do this with Kiprop, with a best of 1:43.13 or so but a 1500 of 3:26.69, you obviously get a lower total, under 5:10. Makh's trainer thought that he was actually in shape to break 3:26 after those video workouts, one of which was before the 2:13 1k where he had lousy pacing.
Makhloufi hasn't run 1:41 yet--he's never been in a 1:41 race (too bad he bagged out of the 800 semis back in 2012) but he has run 1:42/3:28.8.
With pr's of 1:42.61+3:28.75=5:11.36
Coe: 1:41.73 + 3:29.77=5:11.50
If you instead double the 8 times and add the 15s, Coe comes out ahead.
Then if you do this with Kiprop, with a best of 1:43.13 or so but a 1500 of 3:26.69, you obviously get a lower total, under 5:10. Makh's trainer thought that he was actually in shape to break 3:26 after those video workouts, one of which was before the 2:13 1k where he had lousy pacing.
sundown wrote:
Makhloufi hasn't run 1:41 yet--he's never been in a 1:41 race (too bad he bagged out of the 800 semis back in 2012) but he has run 1:42/3:28.8.
With pr's of 1:42.61+3:28.75=5:11.36
Coe: 1:41.73 + 3:29.77=5:11.50
If you instead double the 8 times and add the 15s, Coe comes out ahead.
Then if you do this with Kiprop, with a best of 1:43.13 or so but a 1500 of 3:26.69, you obviously get a lower total, under 5:10. Makh's trainer thought that he was actually in shape to break 3:26 after those video workouts, one of which was before the 2:13 1k where he had lousy pacing.
Hmm. Looks like someone has posted same thing twice using 2 different names! Looks like Calculo.
You don't add together times over the 2 events (8 & 15) for comparison, you calculate their worth using IAAF points.
Coe and Kiprop are on the same points, both ahead of Makhloufi. But Coe was competing 30 - 35 years ago. Tracks are faster now, pacing a more developed and used skill, and there is much greater depth now to drag others to faster times. The guys of today should be faster overall, but they're not, which is testament to Coe's uniqueness.
Makhloufi was not given lousy pacing when he ran that 2:13. He was on schedule at 600m.
In addition Coe has more Olympic medals than Kiprop and Makhloufi put together. He broke 8 individual outdoor world records compared to the other two's combined score of Zero. Not even close.
JRinaldi wrote:
Remember when Duane Solomon ran 1:43.88 at Mt. SAC in 2014?
How much faster did he run that year?
Yeah I member. But Solomon was 30 years old and 2 years past his PB. Murphy is 22 and has cut 3 and 5 seconds off his PB the last two seasons. Not really the fairest comparison
dbc806 wrote:
Here's the race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i4WfuB4pkU
Why are videos like this pulled from the web? Hawkeye track & field picking up 600-1500 views in just a couple days can only mean one thing.
Flocasts legal reported the video.
JRinaldi wrote:Race link for Solomon's 1:43.88 (no rabbit)
good call !
there is a very small group of guys to have run a solo < 1'44 & duane makes previously umnentioned addition
list i got so far :
Big-Man - 1'40.91
Kip - 1'42.67i
Gray - 1'42.80
Earl - 1'43.74
Duane - 1'43.88
Kipkurgat - 1'43.91
i'm not aware of any others, but if anyone knows of any, please post
Noble Kane wrote:But Coe was competing 30 - 35 years ago
so ?
it was synthetic track era
Tracks are faster now
no
they are not
how many times do you have to be told about aeons ole iaaf 65% energy return limit
explain to this board how a track can be faster without breaking the laws of physics ???
pacing a more developed and used skill
is this a joke ???
pacers apart from monaco where they pay some decent $$ are rubbish !
canova told you they pay pay peanuts for pacers nowdays & pacing is rubbish
did you not understand this ?
and there is much greater depth now to drag others to faster times
not helped by rubbish pacers today
The guys of today should be faster overall, but they're not, which is testament to Coe's uniqueness
is this a joke ???
apart from coupla exceptions, coe generally got great pacing in his runs
great pacing in oslo & firenze albeit on those mickey-mouse tracks of 6 lanes & no running clock or/and auto-timing
helluva lot better than we generally see for 800 or 1500 runs these days
Makhloufi was not given lousy pacing when he ran that 2:13
is this a joke ???
it was rubbish pacing !!
he got 1'46++ when he wouda been hoping for 1'44-mid like noah/coe had !!!
albeit noah had suicidal opening lap of 49-high, so not much good there either
He was on schedule at 600m
is this a joke ???
he was on schedule for 2'15+
he couda run 2'11-high/2'12-flat that day if he'd got pacing of 1'44-mid or at least 1'17 to 600 & solo last 400
In addition Coe has more Olympic medals than Kiprop and Makhloufi put together
is this a joke ???
medals all won in 2 boycot games
severely devalued metal
He broke 8 individual outdoor world records compared to the other two's combined score of Zero
is this a joke ???
when coe started out as big-timer, the wrs were nonsense numbers of 1'43.4/2'13.9/3'32.1/3'49.4 !!!
Asbel/maloofi wouda obliterated them
tell us you believe coe couda run, after rounds, including a 1'44, starting a final in utterly suicidal 23.4 & holding on for solo 1'40.91 !!!
tell us you believe coe coud finish a paced 1500 with 53.2 !!! for 3'26.00 !!!
this is quantum level superior running to coe
Not even close
is this a joke ???
tell us how coe was ever going to break 1'40.91 solo after rounds off suicidal 23.4 opener ???
or how about 3'26.00 with 53.2 kick ???
BeanoUK wrote:
You're afraid that he's eventually going to run faster than Coe over the 800/1500
she/he is absolutely terrified at the prospect !!!
she/he wouda known any claim coe had to 800 goatness died when Cruz ran genuine auto time 1'41.77 on proper 8-lane track of koln in '84, a well established track as Maree had broken 1500WR on it year before
Cruz was virtually dead, having recovered from flu which kept him out of games 1500, then in few days before koln ran virtually undrafted 2'14.0 !!, then brace of 1'42.3 & 1'42.4 !!!
the chances coe couda replicated the koln time after flu with those same 3 runs in his legs are below 0 !!!
further, more burial shouda been made when Kip ran 1'41.24 just after WC off utterly suicidal 23.0 !!! / 48.3 !!!
or 1'42.67i !!! solo when 1'42-low guys can't crack 1'44i !!!
or Big-Man runs, after rounds, off suicidal 23.4 a 1'40.91 !!!
in next 5 or 10y, the WR will go to 1'40-flat/low, then decade after, well into 1'39s but she/he will always use the same ridiculous argument, forever more unviable then it is today at 0 value :
"but they are running on faster tracks, so coe beats them"
despite endlessly pointed out to she/he that iaaf for decades have mandated track energy return = speed, at 65% energy return !!!
no possible faster tracks unless breaking laws of physics
Which he will definitely do during his career
personally, i woudn't want kid to run any 1500s until after tokyo
this isn't coe's era when wr was 3'32.1, it is era with numerous 3'26/3'27/3'28 guys !!!
the kid needs to max out at 800 before considering 1500
Not bad for someone who started running at 15-1/2 and who's only been training truly hard since 2014
that is hugely impressive
albeit, unless he works on some speed, although i certainly see 1'41-flat this year, if he want WR, he needs to get some sprint coach input