Laura Muir 5000m in 14:49.12!! INDOORS

Exactly. She dropped over 12 seconds in three years from a figure that would not qualify for IAAF champs/Olympics (4:07, comparable to 3:40 or maybe 3:38--the men's 3:36 standard is tougher than the women's 4:06) to the fastest ever non-EPO/Steroid time, if legit. And recall that prior to this year, she neither had a sub 2 behind her to show great speed or anything close to sub 15 to show great endurance. Now if a man dropped even from 3:38 to 3:26 in three years, what then would we say? Or 3:40 to 3:28 or 3:27? When Wheating dropped from 3:40 or 3:38 to 3:30 in one fell swoop, we noted that he'd had crazy fast closes before in 1500s, indicating much faster potential, he'd run 1:44 in the 800m before that race, and he had never been in a fast paced 1500m before.

Really...? wrote:

jjjjjjj wrote:

Not a crazy progression? That's like going from 3:40 low to 3:27 high in three years.

3:55 at 23

3:58 at 22

4:00 at 21

4:07 at 20

4:14 at 19

I would like another look at the wee sparra Laura Muir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXUFGgpIYwY

WOW.

jjjjjjj wrote:

Exactly. She dropped over 12 seconds in three years from a figure that would not qualify for IAAF champs/Olympics (4:07, comparable to 3:40 or maybe 3:38--the men's 3:36 standard is tougher than the women's 4:06) to the fastest ever non-EPO/Steroid time, if legit. And recall that prior to this year, she neither had a sub 2 behind her to show great speed or anything close to sub 15 to show great endurance. Now if a man dropped even from 3:38 to 3:26 in three years, what then would we say? Or 3:40 to 3:28 or 3:27? When Wheating dropped from 3:40 or 3:38 to 3:30 in one fell swoop, we noted that he'd had crazy fast closes before in 1500s, indicating much faster potential, he'd run 1:44 in the 800m before that race, and he had never been in a fast paced 1500m before.

Really...? wrote:

3:55 at 23

3:58 at 22

4:00 at 21

4:07 at 20

4:14 at 19

You are fast becoming one of the most ridiculous posters on this site, up there with calculo.

12 seconds across 3 years transitioning from a teen to a senior is not a sign of doping.

There is this assumption on Letsrun that all current elites have been training at the same volume and intensity since they were born. Any drops in time are due to drugs and not training.

4:07 -> 3:55 is not equivalent to 3:38 -> 3:26. It would be more like 3:41 -> 3:30 (taking into account the quicker times for men). She ran that 4;07 at 20. She ran 3:55 at 23. Seems like reasonable progression.

Andromeda galaxy (registered) wrote:

I would like another look at the wee sparra Laura Muir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXUFGgpIYwY

WOW.

What are you talking about?

I can see nothing wee about how Laura Muir runs in that video.

Here is a photo of Laura from a recent fartlek session:

You can easily see that Laura Muir is the most exciting female human runner on this planet at the present time.

Are you sure about that???

How about the IRISH female human Phil Healy???

Let's take a look at the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRa7mQg73Eg

O'Boy.

kalhsruhe coming up

at their peak, i'd expect obiri to beat young pasty-face, but it woud be close

i think the sprite, if she ignores obiri like a an assumed heroine of her's in paula was, like with gunning it from bang, pasty-face coud go

8'24

( someone try the lines of fit for 3k from page or so before )

( demolishing pavey's surprisingly impressive NR of 8'31 )

& worth probably 8'18 outdoors

she really is capable currently of running fastest ever western world 3k...

a 12 second drop in the 1500m from age 20 to 23 at that level is astonishing. No non-doped woman has ever run 3:55 before. Laura Muir did not exactly look like she had the potential to be an all-time great when she ran 4:07 at 20.

How about Cain running 4:04ish/1:59.5 at 17? That showed promise. You could see, however, the previous year when Cain was destroyed by Faith at World Youth what was an amazingly efficient, talented runner. Muir has become an all-time great three years after being nothing special, even adjusting for her age. 4:07 is 1 second off the IAAF qualifier. 3:37 is 1 second off the male IAAF qualifier.

Only someone from the UK would think there's nothing to see here.

Yep breakout for Muir, Hawkins, Butchard, all from Scotland.

It's just a coincidence.

Andro Media Galaxy registered wrote:

Yep breakout for Muir, Hawkins, Butchard, all from Scotland.

It's just a coincidence.

Hi, there, Mr. troll pup.

Please spell the name correctly of the human that you are going to attack.

You can see that his name is spelled "Andrew Butchart".

He is already on the Flagstaff Runner Teamâ„¢

Please note that the IRISH runner Molly Muddle is also on Flagstaff Runner Teamâ„¢ and is doing more Yoga in 2017.

Sally Kipyego and Betsy Saina may also join the team.

The Scot Callum Hawkins and the wee sparr Laura Muir (= most exciting female human runner on this planet at the present time) will also join the Flagstaff Runner Teamâ„¢ when they come to train in Flagstaff in 2017.

There are some other (non-runner) members from Not-That-Great-Britain:

Robbie Fitzgibbon and Charlie Grice are also on the Flagstaff Runner Teamâ„¢.

Sir Mo Farah was Mobliterated by the Scot Callum Hawkins and was left muddy in a ditch.

Sir Mo is not on the team this year and is training in Ethiopia…to get really far away from Tania TIGER-kitten.

O"Boy (Irish).

why is rjm replying to himself?

jjjjjj wrote:

a 12 second drop in the 1500m from age 20 to 23 at that level is astonishing. No non-doped woman has ever run 3:55 before. Laura Muir did not exactly look like she had the potential to be an all-time great when she ran 4:07 at 20.

... Muir has become an all-time great three years after being nothing special, even adjusting for her age....

Only someone from the UK would think there's nothing to see here.

Of course the athlete who ran the fastest time in the world last year is "astonishing", "astounding", "incredible", whatever other descriptor adequately denotes the reaction to the pinnacle performance by the entire human race in a given year.

What about this progression? One year older than Laura Muir,

2016-43.03

2015-43.48

2014-44.38

2013.45.09

2012-46.43

Isn't Laura Muir scheduled to race a loaded field including HelenObiri on February 4th in Karlrushe, Germany?

Found it. https://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-indoor-tour/news/karlsruhe-indoor-meeting-2017-obiri-muir

the top guys at 400 are doped

question .. wrote:

why is rjm replying to himself?

Multiple personalities. One's a Scotsman, one's Irish, one's American

Kiiiev wrote:

Seen it live....SOLO!!

Wow you're lucky!

Say that looks like a flat track to me.

I'm guessing she would go faster with the same effor0 on a banked track.

I'm equally dubious about the astonishing times (and quality depth) thrown down by South African and Southern African sprinters in the past few years.

2017 world championships, maybe Muir stays with the 5k??